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Are canning and skehil part of this management??if so surely they must shoulder blame to.that was a bad result but once more it showed the dubs can be very competitive when they get things right. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2513 - 15/05/2025 11:59:49 2609797 Link 1 |
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I would imagine they should probably be rightfully favourites for that final. They've knocked out the two favourites for Leinster in Galway and Offaly and probably 2 out of the 3 favourites for the all Ireland outright….and quite comprehensively too in both cases. They've came on some amount since the group. Wouldn't be considered too vintage a Kilkenny team by any standards.
Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 319 - 15/05/2025 12:42:26 2609803 Link 0 |
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Maybe he thought there wasn't much to do with the u20's after winning 5 Minor All Irelands in 6yrs!
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2573 - 15/05/2025 13:08:32 2609808 Link 1 |
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When you are that bad at U20 for that long its comes down to one of two questions 1) Do we have the talent 2) Do we have intelligent management in place for the team and the academy. Assuming that our talent pool is half decent its got to come down to management and the academy. Im wondering if someone interviews for the job as manager/academy are they asked about strategic goals and measures for 3 years, what they see as lacking, how they plan to fix it. What are their differenciators and how are they measured. What the budget and timeline will be, or do they say the guy was a decent hurler in his time so he would make a great manager. One of the former Limerick players was asked what Kiely talked about in the dressing room and he said KPIs (Key performance Indicators), not sure our underage management knows what this is or if its a type of sauce for Steak.You need a lot to go right to win titles talent, management, strategies, science(analytics,S&C, Psych) , budget, timeline, injuries and some luck. I see Galway underage lacking in all departments. BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 162 - 15/05/2025 14:32:02 2609829 Link 1 |
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Or maybe he has the same views on hurling as you do. According to you Dublin hurlers are failed footballers who are awkward and unskilled. You said on another thread you "find it hilarious watching the Dubs hurl".
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2018 - 15/05/2025 14:52:49 2609835 Link 1 |
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Would agree Skittle and Canning should be held accountable. For all their talking last night showed them both up. Regards Niland he was rightfully subbed. Body language thinking he is above. Struck 2 people whilst tackling and should have been sent off. Feel sorry for Healy look a dejected figure at full time and a man knowing last night was a make or break for him. Go easy CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 527 - 15/05/2025 14:57:17 2609837 Link 1 |
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Wexford man writing off kk lol
Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 699 - 15/05/2025 15:31:39 2609849 Link 0 |
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Three years ago we went toe to toe with Tipp at minor level in an AI Semi final, how would we fair this year at u20 against them? ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1691 - 15/05/2025 16:22:16 2609862 Link 1 |
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Kilkenny 8/13 Dublin 11/10 so off to the bookies with you to make a few euro.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 349 - 15/05/2025 16:49:59 2609867 Link 0 |
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Not sure what part of the County your from (did you back Wexford last week?) I got both Galway and the -3 handicap.... but anyone I have spoken too always excepts Galway to bate Dublin in hurling at all levels no matter what.
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2573 - 15/05/2025 17:56:47 2609880 Link 0 |
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I never understand why in. A county the size of Galway and amount of players why they bring in player. Into squad who still underage for 2 more years it's so stupid and they miss out playing with there clubs to sit on sidelines and more often than not even mske match day squad it's time county board put snd end to it madness personally I would not even included playes who are underage next year there surely 30 players in gslwsy of the age to play same with minor bring under 16s in and training them 3-4 days a week to not even get a jersey match day county board put need bring in rule to stop this rubbish hspening Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 1067 - 15/05/2025 19:20:28 2609899 Link 0 |
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To be fair it's an apples and oranges comparison, Healy is working with underage players who develop at different stages and the panel can change significantly year on year (though the current U20 squad are basically 'his' players) whereas Kiely is working with a finished product, he chooses the squad make up, retirements or optouts excepted. There'd really be no way to quantify 'strategic goals' in terms of U20 IMO, unless you were to say 'produce X number of players for the senior squad' and that of course would be at the discretion of senior management. The fundamental job of any management anywhere is to get the best use out of the resources available, and for me this is absolutely not happening at U20 and hasn't for a while now, this issue predates Healy & co, though it doesn't excuse them, far from it. AFAIK Healy got involved with the minors when the CB decided to have a manager 'move with the group' with a view to eventually becoming senior manager, nothing wrong with that idea in principle as long as the manager in question is delivering, of course, whether it be in terms of player development, winning titles or both. For me, the minor manager must have ambition to be the U20 manager, the U20 manager must have the ambition to be Senior manager, otherwise there's no real point in the pathway system and no comeback on results in terms of success or development. Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 914 - 15/05/2025 19:21:34 2609900 Link 3 |
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I'm sure there is someone on here who might know how many managers who started at minor level with Galway, progressed to the U20/21 and then to senior manager. To me it sounds crazy that any county board would expect anyone to give up that many years managing county teams.
Armchairreporter (Galway) - Posts: 103 - 15/05/2025 22:11:38 2609917 Link 0 |
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Kinda agree its not the U 20 managers fault alone, the strategic goals are more for the head of the academy, and yes the one goal you mentioned should be one of them and it should be measurable and actionable. Galway haven't been competitive at underage in a long time, across many managers, I haven't seen any games but others say they lack game strategy and their S&C is sub-par. These are measurable and over a period of time if it continues can be addressed. Now we can say we simply don't have the talent or we don't have the money or we are a dual county sport etc etc but to me these are all excuses we really need to look at the root cause of this rot in our underage system and address it.
BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 162 - 16/05/2025 01:49:19 2609937 Link 1 |
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I don't think Healy has any chot at the senior job, both given his lack of success at u20 and the fact MD is there. Even if he were to turn it around and win an u20 next year he'd only be feeding in to the middle of MD's reign. If DOnohue does the 4 years of his term and no more then it will fall nicely for Kenny Burke, whose trajectory is good and hopefully he can have some success starting with the minors this year
Overdahill (Galway) - Posts: 48 - 16/05/2025 09:32:19 2609958 Link 0 |
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Healys stint is surely over with the galway underage teams, lets be honest 2 shambolic displays against dublin the past 2 years and then 10 backroom staff all standing up looking in at it. Healy has had that team from minor and hes only brought them backwards. Kenneth Burke surely the next u20 manager
Galway456 (Galway) - Posts: 142 - 16/05/2025 09:59:55 2609961 Link 1 |
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Afraid there will be no silverware with this years minors, next years are below par and the following year will be interesting too. Kenny will have his work cut out. Looking at academy's for the last few years and talent is limited. Look at the U20s during the week and they are way behind in s+c.
Armchairreporter (Galway) - Posts: 103 - 16/05/2025 10:42:38 2609984 Link 0 |
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Any truth in the rumours that Galway GAA are letting people in for half price for the hurling to try get a crowd in? Green&Gold2013 (Galway) - Posts: 27 - 16/05/2025 11:08:58 2609991 Link 0 |
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Nobody is forcing people to 'give up years' if they don't want to do it. What's your alternative, we give the job to people with little or no experience, that went well under O'Neill and Shefflin didn't it? The progression pathway /'moving with the team' started with Healy in 2022 under a CB initiative, followed by Kenneth Burke in 2024 and it's a good idea in theory, one could also say it's good in practice because with all due respect, if Healy & co. can fail to reach a Leinster U20 final two years running by losing two games in almost identical circumstances, they are demonstrating they are not to be trusted with the senior management job. Anyone can lose a game of course, but the circumstances of Wednesday were basically as bad as 12 months previously so it looks like absolutely nothing is being learned on the sideline. Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 914 - 16/05/2025 11:10:10 2609992 Link 1 |
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Not arguing with you as such but by definition the better players will make it through to senior eventually by default, so the KPI of 'developing players' kinda loses its edge on that front. Our senior team is currently not hectic so you would expect the better U20's to be involved more quickly as a result. For example Rory Burke has played senior league this year and Jason Rabbitte was on the bench v Wexford, Aaron Niland has been in training with the seniors too. That might well satisfy a KPI, such as it is, but it sure as hell wouldn't satisfy anyone of a maroon persuasion watching last Wednesday. Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 914 - 16/05/2025 11:18:55 2609994 Link 2 |