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Who Can Stop Cork This Year?

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Replying To 32_4_1:  "Is there a culture within the county thats different, regardless of their success? Yes or no?"
I've watched a good bit of club hurling in Cork, I like watching it because players don't seem to have the flair coached out of them to the same degree as other counties. But the reason this team is having the success it is is down to a particularly big/tall group of players coming at the same time, who are being coached in unCorklike skills like the dark arts, the importance of physicality, and the importance of having structure to their play. Plenty of Cork teams over the last 20 years had Corkness in abundance, flair and skill and confidence, but fell short because they weren't able to do the basics of modern intercounty hurling well. And weren't big enough or hard enough. Bill Cooper was for years the only lad that seemed to have that last characteristic in his make up for example.
Basically they might have a period of success coming despite the way Cork hurling is, not because of it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16529 - 07/07/2025 10:20:58    2624064

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Replying To supersub15:  "Question.
Who can stop Cork this year.

Answer.
No one."
Who can stop Cork? Tipp can
Will Tipp stop Cork? Maybe

Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 160 - 07/07/2025 14:44:53    2624153

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Replying To Viking66:  "I've watched a good bit of club hurling in Cork, I like watching it because players don't seem to have the flair coached out of them to the same degree as other counties. But the reason this team is having the success it is is down to a particularly big/tall group of players coming at the same time, who are being coached in unCorklike skills like the dark arts, the importance of physicality, and the importance of having structure to their play. Plenty of Cork teams over the last 20 years had Corkness in abundance, flair and skill and confidence, but fell short because they weren't able to do the basics of modern intercounty hurling well. And weren't big enough or hard enough. Bill Cooper was for years the only lad that seemed to have that last characteristic in his make up for example.
Basically they might have a period of success coming despite the way Cork hurling is, not because of it."
Agreed. And remember the past couple of years there has been an element of over physicality and ill discipline by this Cork team with damaging red cards. Even this year with the red card in Ennis
They seemed to be overcompensating for past "softness" (real or imagined)
They now seem to have gotten the balance right and are a big, hard, physical team who play on the edge but usually stay on the right side of the refs
(Tipp have two red cards this championship, but both have been by the same player so dont know if thats just an individual thing)

Yadse (Limerick) - Posts: 160 - 07/07/2025 16:29:02    2624193

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Replying To Yadse:  "Agreed. And remember the past couple of years there has been an element of over physicality and ill discipline by this Cork team with damaging red cards. Even this year with the red card in Ennis
They seemed to be overcompensating for past "softness" (real or imagined)
They now seem to have gotten the balance right and are a big, hard, physical team who play on the edge but usually stay on the right side of the refs
(Tipp have two red cards this championship, but both have been by the same player so dont know if thats just an individual thing)"
Tipps 2 reds were both a little unlucky. The 1st goes on in many games before throw in. Probably wouldn't have happened against previous Cork teams as the victim wouldn't have gone down as if he was shot. 2nd yellow was marginal.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16529 - 07/07/2025 17:13:01    2624212

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Replying To Yadse:  "Agreed. And remember the past couple of years there has been an element of over physicality and ill discipline by this Cork team with damaging red cards. Even this year with the red card in Ennis
They seemed to be overcompensating for past "softness" (real or imagined)
They now seem to have gotten the balance right and are a big, hard, physical team who play on the edge but usually stay on the right side of the refs
(Tipp have two red cards this championship, but both have been by the same player so dont know if thats just an individual thing)"
To be fair to the Tipp player, he's a young lad learning his trade at senior level who's probably just a little too enthusiastic. We had the same in Wexford with Cian Byrne.

Didn't think there was much in either of them to be perfectly honest, other than the slap on the goalkeepers hand was silly when he was on a yellow.

You might get aware with that in the parish on a Wednesday evening, but not in an all Ireland semi final.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3823 - 08/07/2025 08:04:22    2624286

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Tipperary!

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1112 - 08/07/2025 09:25:56    2624295

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Replying To Viking66:  "Tipps 2 reds were both a little unlucky. The 1st goes on in many games before throw in. Probably wouldn't have happened against previous Cork teams as the victim wouldn't have gone down as if he was shot. 2nd yellow was marginal."
Good man Viking! Another thinly veiled 'snipe at Cork' post. You just can't help yourself…

bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 420 - 08/07/2025 11:42:10    2624340

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Tipp will be doing exceptionally well to keep close to Cork in the final.

They wont score 4 goals against that backline, and will need to score a lot more than 20pts.

Harnedy should be back for the Rebels, and that will strengthen them massively.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4448 - 08/07/2025 12:22:56    2624354

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Replying To bloodandbandage:  "Good man Viking! Another thinly veiled 'snipe at Cork' post. You just can't help yourself…"
That's not a snipe at all. It's acknowledging the fact that Cork are up to date now with what AI winners have been at the last good few years. Hopefully we will wake up to that too sometime soon.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16529 - 08/07/2025 12:50:11    2624371

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "By reading your post , you would think cork have won 4 all Irelands in a row. This team have won nothing except one Munster. If they win back to back then I will call them great"
I think you've missed his point completely.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2422 - 08/07/2025 13:21:29    2624377

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Replying To Fionn:  "Tipp will be doing exceptionally well to keep close to Cork in the final.

They wont score 4 goals against that backline, and will need to score a lot more than 20pts.

Harnedy should be back for the Rebels, and that will strengthen them massively."
Harnedy, according to Pat Ryan is doubtful, and his hamstring injury persists. Cormac O' Brien and Mellerick will be back, but I expect the same team that started against Dublin will be named for Tipperary.

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 575 - 09/07/2025 17:12:07    2624681

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Replying To Fionn:  "Tipp will be doing exceptionally well to keep close to Cork in the final.

They wont score 4 goals against that backline, and will need to score a lot more than 20pts.

Harnedy should be back for the Rebels, and that will strengthen them massively."
Just a word of caution, the Cork Forward Line scored just three goals in three games against an ageing Limerick Back line. One was a free, when the game was well and truly over and no goal from play was scored by the Full Forward Line in any of those games.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4514 - 09/07/2025 17:34:44    2624688

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Just a word of caution, the Cork Forward Line scored just three goals in three games against an ageing Limerick Back line. One was a free, when the game was well and truly over and no goal from play was scored by the Full Forward Line in any of those games."
Cork certainly will not be overconfident against Tipperary. No goals conceded by Tipp against Kilkenny, and many of this Tipp team were members of a victorious under 20 team, which a few years ago beat a fancied Cork outfit. I would view this game as even, and Cork will need their best performance to win!

Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 575 - 09/07/2025 20:03:09    2624711

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THis Cork side could do the 5 in a row. Unreal talent and plenty more coming through.

kerry4sam25 (Kerry) - Posts: 97 - 09/07/2025 22:26:46    2624731

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Replying To kerry4sam25:  "THis Cork side could do the 5 in a row. Unreal talent and plenty more coming through."
Tipp have also won 3 of the last 8 u20 AI hurling titles, same as Cork. And probably are as well placed or better placed to win the next 2.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16529 - 10/07/2025 12:02:16    2624794

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Replying To kerry4sam25:  "THis Cork side could do the 5 in a row. Unreal talent and plenty more coming through."
5 in a row and they haven't even won 1! Good lord relax young man!

I do think Cork are way too fancied for the final. Is their body of work over the course of the championship THAT impressive? I dont think it is. Drew with Clare (who were way off it this year) and could easily have lost that game in Ennis. Yes they had a man sent off, but as Tipp showed against KK and Dublin against Limerick, it doesn't mean you automatically lose. Plus they were well ahead (7,8 or even 9 pts?)

They were obviously beat out the gate against Limerick.

They beat Waterford at home but they werent particulary impressive.

The Tipp game im not sure what to make of. Cork were good but obviously had an extra man the entire game. And that was probably the game where I thought this Tipp team really have something about them. They really stuck at it and never gave up despite the margin, played lots of good hurling and worked like dogs.

The Munster final was obviously the best of Cork this year. It was a perfect storm for them coming in as underdogs on the back of a hiding to nothing. And with how Limericks form has panned out from that game onwards, how impressive was it?

The Dublin game...... they would have better A vs B games at training. The same Dublin team who Galway were cruising against with 5 mins to go and 10 points up. And we all know full and well how bad Galway have been this year.

mr305 (Galway) - Posts: 69 - 10/07/2025 12:23:48    2624799

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Replying To Viking66:  "I've watched a good bit of club hurling in Cork, I like watching it because players don't seem to have the flair coached out of them to the same degree as other counties. But the reason this team is having the success it is is down to a particularly big/tall group of players coming at the same time, who are being coached in unCorklike skills like the dark arts, the importance of physicality, and the importance of having structure to their play. Plenty of Cork teams over the last 20 years had Corkness in abundance, flair and skill and confidence, but fell short because they weren't able to do the basics of modern intercounty hurling well. And weren't big enough or hard enough. Bill Cooper was for years the only lad that seemed to have that last characteristic in his make up for example.
Basically they might have a period of success coming despite the way Cork hurling is, not because of it."
Let's stop beating around the bush so. You've watched club hurling in Cork so? Win or lose, the culture is simply very distinct from the rest of the hurling counties, no? Why will you go anything but accept that?

It's a well known fact. The great stickmen. The Cork hurlers!

32_4_1 (Meath) - Posts: 4191 - 10/07/2025 19:46:33    2624889

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Replying To 32_4_1:  "Let's stop beating around the bush so. You've watched club hurling in Cork so? Win or lose, the culture is simply very distinct from the rest of the hurling counties, no? Why will you go anything but accept that?

It's a well known fact. The great stickmen. The Cork hurlers!"
It is different. It's also different to the way their intercounty team is set up and plays, this year especially. Maybe you should watch some too ;-)

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16529 - 10/07/2025 23:10:21    2624906

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