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When is the draw for groups does anyone know?

If I'm not mistaken all teams and their seedings are now settled after this afternoon's matches so we should have the draw soon hopefully.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1570 - 27/04/2025 20:20:13    2604750

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "When is the draw for groups does anyone know?

If I'm not mistaken all teams and their seedings are now settled after this afternoon's matches so we should have the draw soon hopefully."
wednesday @ 1 or 1.30pm

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2976 - 28/04/2025 09:51:55    2604887

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Do that counties in the Tailteann have more interest if they get 1 or 2 neighbours in the pot, even if from another province; e.g Sligo V Fermanagh, Lietrim v Longford, Offaly v Tipp, Wexford v Waterford?

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1390 - 29/04/2025 09:41:04    2605251

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Group 1: Kildare, Sligo, Leitrim, Tipperary
Group 2: Offaly, Laois, Wicklow, Waterford
Group 3: Westmeath, Limerick, Antrim, London
Group 4: Fermanagh, Wexford, Carlow, Longford

The outcomes looks straight forward enough. Top seeds should win their group. Second seeds should all get through although not necessarily in second for all of them.

Only games that look like deciders as to who gets knocked out are Leitrim vs Tipp and Carlow vs Longford.

As for Limerick, it was going to be tough whoever was top seed but we have a terrible record vs Westmeath and Antrim are probably the best third seed. It would be a surprise if they didn't beat London though.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1143 - 30/04/2025 20:17:20    2605847

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Replying To county man:  "Group 1: Kildare, Sligo, Leitrim, Tipperary
Group 2: Offaly, Laois, Wicklow, Waterford
Group 3: Westmeath, Limerick, Antrim, London
Group 4: Fermanagh, Wexford, Carlow, Longford

The outcomes looks straight forward enough. Top seeds should win their group. Second seeds should all get through although not necessarily in second for all of them.

Only games that look like deciders as to who gets knocked out are Leitrim vs Tipp and Carlow vs Longford.

As for Limerick, it was going to be tough whoever was top seed but we have a terrible record vs Westmeath and Antrim are probably the best third seed. It would be a surprise if they didn't beat London though."
Looking forward to it starting now. Hopefully the counties involved haven't lost too many players to America. Of the 4th seeds London definitely got the worst draw. Of the 3rd seeds Leitrim look like they are in the toughest group.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15832 - 01/05/2025 06:30:19    2605909

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Replying To Viking66:  "Looking forward to it starting now. Hopefully the counties involved haven't lost too many players to America. Of the 4th seeds London definitely got the worst draw. Of the 3rd seeds Leitrim look like they are in the toughest group."
Saturday 10 May

Tailteann Cup Round 1
Wexford v Longford, Chadwicks Wexford Park, 6.30pm
Kildare v Leitrim, Cedral St Conleth's Park, 5pm
Laois v Waterford, Laois Hire O'Moore Park, 3pm
Offaly v Wicklow, Glenisk O'Connor Park, 1.30pm
Limerick v London, Rathkeale, 1pm


Sunday 11 May

Tailteann Cup Round 1
Westmeath v Antrim, TEG Cusack Park, 2pm - GAA+
Fermanagh v Carlow, Brewster Park, 2pm
Sligo v Tipperary, Tubbercurry, 1.30pm

The hot favourites have home advantage.

In my opinion that doesn't help to level the playing field.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3179 - 03/05/2025 12:39:07    2606410

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Replying To supersub15:  "Saturday 10 May

Tailteann Cup Round 1
Wexford v Longford, Chadwicks Wexford Park, 6.30pm
Kildare v Leitrim, Cedral St Conleth's Park, 5pm
Laois v Waterford, Laois Hire O'Moore Park, 3pm
Offaly v Wicklow, Glenisk O'Connor Park, 1.30pm
Limerick v London, Rathkeale, 1pm


Sunday 11 May

Tailteann Cup Round 1
Westmeath v Antrim, TEG Cusack Park, 2pm - GAA+
Fermanagh v Carlow, Brewster Park, 2pm
Sligo v Tipperary, Tubbercurry, 1.30pm

The hot favourites have home advantage.

In my opinion that doesn't help to level the playing field."
No but that is solely dependent on league position. I suppose there has to be some reward for finishing higher up the league.

The third seeds will have home advantage though against the second seeds and that will help to level things. Carlow will have a decent chance at home to Wexford and I'd say Antrim will be favorites at home to Limerick.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1143 - 03/05/2025 16:15:24    2606448

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Replying To Viking66:  "Looking forward to it starting now. Hopefully the counties involved haven't lost too many players to America. Of the 4th seeds London definitely got the worst draw. Of the 3rd seeds Leitrim look like they are in the toughest group."
Yeah agree. The Tailteann cup could be a great competition if taken seriously. Getting straight into the All Ireland series next year is an excellent incentive and even getting a chance to play in Croke Park means alot to the Division 3 and 4 teams.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1143 - 03/05/2025 16:23:58    2606449

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Replying To supersub15:  "Saturday 10 May

Tailteann Cup Round 1
Wexford v Longford, Chadwicks Wexford Park, 6.30pm
Kildare v Leitrim, Cedral St Conleth's Park, 5pm
Laois v Waterford, Laois Hire O'Moore Park, 3pm
Offaly v Wicklow, Glenisk O'Connor Park, 1.30pm
Limerick v London, Rathkeale, 1pm


Sunday 11 May

Tailteann Cup Round 1
Westmeath v Antrim, TEG Cusack Park, 2pm - GAA+
Fermanagh v Carlow, Brewster Park, 2pm
Sligo v Tipperary, Tubbercurry, 1.30pm

The hot favourites have home advantage.

In my opinion that doesn't help to level the playing field."
In the first round, Seed 1 is home v Seed 3, and Seed 2 is home v Seed 4. So yes, the supposed "stronger" team on paper has home advantage.

The second round will be Seed 3 home v Seed 2, and Seed 4 v Seed 1. So the supposed "weaker" team will be at home in all games.

Round 3 will be Seed 1 v Seed 2, and Seed 3 v Seed 4, all at neutral venues. No home advantage for anybody.

So, it's all designed to "level the playing field" insofar as possible over the group stage as a whole. No need to go jumping to conclusions and conspiracy theories suggesting it's designed to help the "stronger" teams in it when you could have looked up the details just as easily as I did.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2866 - 05/05/2025 00:00:49    2606734

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Replying To county man:  "Yeah agree. The Tailteann cup could be a great competition if taken seriously. Getting straight into the All Ireland series next year is an excellent incentive and even getting a chance to play in Croke Park means alot to the Division 3 and 4 teams."
It would be a much greater incentive if winning guaranteed two years in the Sam Maguire competition - giving teams a chance to focus on the All Ireland the following year at the expensive of the league.

The way its set up now, if the tailteann winner in 2025 takes their eye off the league in 2026 to focus on the championship, they generally get relegated from Div 2 (Westmeath, Down) and are highly likely to be back in the tailteann again.

The reality of the Tailteann is that winning gets you out for one season, but focuing on winning div 3 and staying in div 2 keeps you in Sam Maguire.

What the tailteann winners need is a couple of years in the Sam Maguire to help build a team to compete at that level. Then you have a proper reward.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1390 - 06/05/2025 17:04:15    2607172

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "It would be a much greater incentive if winning guaranteed two years in the Sam Maguire competition - giving teams a chance to focus on the All Ireland the following year at the expensive of the league.

The way its set up now, if the tailteann winner in 2025 takes their eye off the league in 2026 to focus on the championship, they generally get relegated from Div 2 (Westmeath, Down) and are highly likely to be back in the tailteann again.

The reality of the Tailteann is that winning gets you out for one season, but focuing on winning div 3 and staying in div 2 keeps you in Sam Maguire.

What the tailteann winners need is a couple of years in the Sam Maguire to help build a team to compete at that level. Then you have a proper reward."
Good post. Even winning Division 3 is no guarantee of staying in the All Ireland. Division 3 winners will have a ranking of 15th in the standings but the Tailteann Cup winners take a place so that will drop the winners to 16th. Any Division 3 or 4 team not qualified will take a place if they reach a provincial final. Clare are reaching Munster Finals regularly. Last years Division 3 Final proved to be a decider for All Ireland qualification.

Down's loss to Westmeath knocked them out of the All Ireland last year as Meath the previous Tailteann Cup winners were already qualified on league position.
Clare reached a provincial final dropping Westmeath and Down to 16th and 17th in the standings respectively so Down dropped to Tailteann and Westmeath took the last place in the Sam Maguire. Down lost a very close Ulster semi final to Armagh by one point a victory for Down would have put them into the Sam Maguire. Getting relegated from Division 2 likely puts a team into the Taillteann Cup unless they can get to a provincial final.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 06/05/2025 21:15:30    2607230

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Any chance ye could let Mayo enter this competition?

Belclare7 (Galway) - Posts: 264 - 09/05/2025 22:18:50    2607925

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As another thread says there's 35 championship games this weekend so it's impossible to keep track of all the storylines but couldn't let the day pass without commenting on Jason Curry's performance today in O'Moore Park for Waterford vs Laois.

They scored 1-16 in total and out of that he scored 13 points and assisted the goal! That included a couple of serious 2 pointers off the ground into a breeze in the first half.

A score from about 45 yards out at the sideline under the terrace was class as one another attempt where he went on a mazy run, threw 4 dummies with his right foot and then just missed with the shot off his left!

It won't get any headlines and outside of a couple of hundred of people who were at the game it will never be remembered and might not even be on film, but from a Laois man, fair play Jason you made the €15 admission worth it in what was otherwise a pretty unremarkable game!

Laoisvillian (Laois) - Posts: 89 - 10/05/2025 21:18:28    2608198

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "It would be a much greater incentive if winning guaranteed two years in the Sam Maguire competition - giving teams a chance to focus on the All Ireland the following year at the expensive of the league.

The way its set up now, if the tailteann winner in 2025 takes their eye off the league in 2026 to focus on the championship, they generally get relegated from Div 2 (Westmeath, Down) and are highly likely to be back in the tailteann again.

The reality of the Tailteann is that winning gets you out for one season, but focuing on winning div 3 and staying in div 2 keeps you in Sam Maguire.

What the tailteann winners need is a couple of years in the Sam Maguire to help build a team to compete at that level. Then you have a proper reward."
The league just shouldn't be the qualifiers for the All Ireland.

If you'd the championship as the qualifier you could play more games with something to play for but also have a higher bar for qualifying for the knockout round.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4526 - 11/05/2025 12:53:21    2608400

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One of the main reasons put forward in favor of the introduction of the Tailteann Cup was to stop mismatches between serious teams and lower ranked teams. But it is failing when you see 2 teams who played in Division 3 this year meeting yesterday and a 25 point difference at the FT whistle. In fact 1 Kildare forward scored more than the entire Leitrim team. While winning margins of this nature are rare enough, there needs to be a 3rd tier set up where the bottom 10 teams get a chance to play each other in Croker over 2 days, kind of a Croke Park blitz, with 2 finalists going on to play the tier 4 final in a full 70 minute game as a curtain raiser to one of the Quarter Finals. All counties should have some sort of chance of winning cup or even a shield.

Keephimthere (Roscommon) - Posts: 119 - 11/05/2025 15:31:38    2608440

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Replying To Laoisvillian:  "As another thread says there's 35 championship games this weekend so it's impossible to keep track of all the storylines but couldn't let the day pass without commenting on Jason Curry's performance today in O'Moore Park for Waterford vs Laois.

They scored 1-16 in total and out of that he scored 13 points and assisted the goal! That included a couple of serious 2 pointers off the ground into a breeze in the first half.

A score from about 45 yards out at the sideline under the terrace was class as one another attempt where he went on a mazy run, threw 4 dummies with his right foot and then just missed with the shot off his left!

It won't get any headlines and outside of a couple of hundred of people who were at the game it will never be remembered and might not even be on film, but from a Laois man, fair play Jason you made the €15 admission worth it in what was otherwise a pretty unremarkable game!"
Yeah you're right it won't be mentioned anywhere but that is unbelievable shooting and not a once off either. Apparently he has played over 100 times for Waterford also. That is serious commitment to a county team (like Limerick) that will always be in the shadow of the hurlers and where it is known there will be very few if any glory days.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1143 - 11/05/2025 16:47:03    2608461

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Replying To Keephimthere:  "One of the main reasons put forward in favor of the introduction of the Tailteann Cup was to stop mismatches between serious teams and lower ranked teams. But it is failing when you see 2 teams who played in Division 3 this year meeting yesterday and a 25 point difference at the FT whistle. In fact 1 Kildare forward scored more than the entire Leitrim team. While winning margins of this nature are rare enough, there needs to be a 3rd tier set up where the bottom 10 teams get a chance to play each other in Croker over 2 days, kind of a Croke Park blitz, with 2 finalists going on to play the tier 4 final in a full 70 minute game as a curtain raiser to one of the Quarter Finals. All counties should have some sort of chance of winning cup or even a shield."
A 2 day blitz. Seriously! They aren't under 11s.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4526 - 11/05/2025 17:32:19    2608467

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Some scoring haul by Luke Loughlin today.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4048 - 11/05/2025 17:41:04    2608468

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Replying To Keephimthere:  "One of the main reasons put forward in favor of the introduction of the Tailteann Cup was to stop mismatches between serious teams and lower ranked teams. But it is failing when you see 2 teams who played in Division 3 this year meeting yesterday and a 25 point difference at the FT whistle. In fact 1 Kildare forward scored more than the entire Leitrim team. While winning margins of this nature are rare enough, there needs to be a 3rd tier set up where the bottom 10 teams get a chance to play each other in Croker over 2 days, kind of a Croke Park blitz, with 2 finalists going on to play the tier 4 final in a full 70 minute game as a curtain raiser to one of the Quarter Finals. All counties should have some sort of chance of winning cup or even a shield."
Yeah that was a complete mis-match and there is the potential for a few more hammerings in round 2 when the top seeds play the bottom seeds, but there are always going to be 1- 2 teams (Meath & Down in past years, it is Kildare & Westmeath this year) who are stand-out above the rest.

The other games can be competitive though and look at Carlow today winning away to Fermanagh. There were a few other easy victories in the end this weekend but they were all competitive for decent stages.

There is an argument for a third tier maybe but I would see how the Tailteann goes for another few years and see what Division 4 teams want to do also.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1143 - 11/05/2025 18:04:06    2608479

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Replying To county man:  "Yeah that was a complete mis-match and there is the potential for a few more hammerings in round 2 when the top seeds play the bottom seeds, but there are always going to be 1- 2 teams (Meath & Down in past years, it is Kildare & Westmeath this year) who are stand-out above the rest.

The other games can be competitive though and look at Carlow today winning away to Fermanagh. There were a few other easy victories in the end this weekend but they were all competitive for decent stages.

There is an argument for a third tier maybe but I would see how the Tailteann goes for another few years and see what Division 4 teams want to do also."
Good post

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4526 - 11/05/2025 18:24:17    2608497

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