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Replying To Afinestick96: "Surely lads playing on the u20 team at least started on their clubs second team last year? In my opinion to be good enough for u20 county you should be there or there abouts starting for all first teams in the county" I think the same to a point. Playing adult club would definitely help the lads as regards physicality. At the same time lads playing club minor shouldn't be playing club adult.
As regards our u19s the lads on that squad are playing for places on next years u20s. Some are doing pretty well. You can watch the Kilkenny game here-
https://youtu.be/8HL7c0pY_5s?si=asAZkHrd_oV3x7jr
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Replying To MyOhMi: "I'd have to agree - and that is where my question came from. I took a quick look through of last Round of hurling championship last year to see how many of the U20 panel were named. That is where my data came from.
I'd also be a big advocate that if an inter county senior player cannot stand out on his own club team then he has no place been in an inter county setup. I do think there are a few players in the current setup guilty of that in my opinion. I've nothing against players been from Senior / Inter / Junior clubs - MOH for example was always a stand out player for St. James." I cant think of many players in the county who I think would make a difference to the current panel bar maybe AJ Redmond and Aaron Duggan and it sounds like they both opted out themselves
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Replying To Viking66: "I think the same to a point. Playing adult club would definitely help the lads as regards physicality. At the same time lads playing club minor shouldn't be playing club adult.
As regards our u19s the lads on that squad are playing for places on next years u20s. Some are doing pretty well. You can watch the Kilkenny game here-
https://youtu.be/8HL7c0pY_5s?si=asAZkHrd_oV3x7jr" Thanks for that Viking ill definitely look at that later. Interesting regarding our selection for under 20 game last year . Why were only 4 lads up to the age selected that seems very low. Is it a case that the lads 18 and 19 years of age are just ahead of them in the pecking order ?
Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 482 - 01/04/2025 12:44:19
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Replying To Afinestick96: "I cant think of many players in the county who I think would make a difference to the current panel bar maybe AJ Redmond and Aaron Duggan and it sounds like they both opted out themselves" Look at it a different way - I do think there are players that could be brought into the squad / setup that may not bring immediate improvement but give them 2/3 seasons and they will. We are been very shortsighted assuming that because a lad hurls with an U20 Team that he is going to automatically jump to a county senior setup.
MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 173 - 01/04/2025 13:53:43
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Replying To Afinestick96: "Thanks for that Viking ill definitely look at that later. Interesting regarding our selection for under 20 game last year . Why were only 4 lads up to the age selected that seems very low. Is it a case that the lads 18 and 19 years of age are just ahead of them in the pecking order ?" Rowley and Byrne were both out injured so could have been 6 up to the age but that would still be low
Would half-guess that they don't think some of the 20yos have it in them to become Senior hurlers and that they may as well try out the 18yos and 19yos to see whether they have what it takes even if they're at a physical disadvantage
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Replying To Viking66: "Not sure why more lads up to the age weren't picked to be honest. Think only 4 up to the age played on Saturday. 8 lads fresh out of minor played. Hughes and Quigley I think are exceptionally good for their age, both played well Saturday, but the others definitely looked light and lacking in physicality and confidence.
At the same time it was an irrelevant game, so if there was a feeling that the younger lads needed to get championship gametime to help their development for next years u20 campaign, then that was probably the game to do it in." Would ye agree in Leinster with the way the Leinster u20 championship is structured if first round games are irrelevant and can be used as trial games for next years team?
Seems a bit mad that championship games are irrelevant especially the 1st round.
Munster U20 as ye probably know is the same as the Senior championship round robin with 1st to final and 2nd/3rd in semi.
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Minor team versus Laois from three years ago
Jason Rossiter (Oulart) - Extended panel on Saturday
Robbie Chapman (Duffry) - Extended panel on Saturday
Charlie Roark (Ferns) - Centre-back on Saturday, U20 centre-back last year, has another year at U20
Ciarán Doyle (Anne's) - Wing-back on Saturday, has another year at U20
Eugene Clarke (Blackwater) - Not on panel
Ben Asple (Ballyhogue) - Extended panel on Saturday, started at U20 level last year
Dylan Purcell (Duffry) - Full-forward on Saturday, has started at U20 level the last two years
Jack Hennessy (Oylegate) - Sub on Saturday, U20 extended panel last year
Páidí Doyle (Anne's) - Wing-back on Saturday, U20 wing-back last year
David McCarthy (Crossabeg) - Midfield on Saturday
Simon Roche (Oulart) - Centre-forward on Saturday, has started at U20 level the last two years
Seán Rowley (Oylegate) - Extended panel on Saturday, has started at U20 level the last two years
Cillian Byrne (Fethard) - Extended panel on Saturday, has started at U20 level the last two years
Matthew Murphy (Cushinstown) - Not on panel
James Murray (Ferns) - Not on panel
Team from Saturday against Kilkenny
Paddy Quigley (Bannow) - Minor last year
Eoin Hughes (Ballynastragh Gaels) - Minor last year
Pádraig Jones (Ballynastragh Gaels) - Think this is his last year U20
Niall Furlong (Alley) - Has another year U20
Páidí Doyle (Anne's) - Last year at U20
Charlie Roark (Ferns)- Has another year U20
Ciarán Doyle (Anne's) - Has another year U20
Jack Nolan (Oylegate) - Minor last year
David McCarthy (Crossabeg) - Last year at U20
Doran Daly O'Toole (Liam Mellows) - Has another year U20
Simon Roche (Oulart) - Last year at U20
Jack Dunne (Oulart) - Minor last year
Eoghan Cassin (Harriers) - Don't know
Dylan Purcell (Duffry) - Last year at U20
Colin Carley (Glynn) - Minor last year
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 01/04/2025 14:47:46
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Replying To Avondhu86: "Would ye agree in Leinster with the way the Leinster u20 championship is structured if first round games are irrelevant and can be used as trial games for next years team?
Seems a bit mad that championship games are irrelevant especially the 1st round.
Munster U20 as ye probably know is the same as the Senior championship round robin with 1st to final and 2nd/3rd in semi." Yeah, it's basically a knock-out competition, all the mini-league structure is determine the seeding
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 01/04/2025 15:18:00
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Replying To Avondhu86: "Would ye agree in Leinster with the way the Leinster u20 championship is structured if first round games are irrelevant and can be used as trial games for next years team?
Seems a bit mad that championship games are irrelevant especially the 1st round.
Munster U20 as ye probably know is the same as the Senior championship round robin with 1st to final and 2nd/3rd in semi." It's easier to do that way for yourselves as you only have 5 teams in it. We have to play games to eliminate some counties before the real competition starts, and tier one is just really so the other teams have games while they wait. The only benefit to winning these games is a bye to the SF, which from a developmental point of view isn't really a benefit, as it means you get less games.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15252 - 01/04/2025 15:59:00
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Replying To Avondhu86: "Would ye agree in Leinster with the way the Leinster u20 championship is structured if first round games are irrelevant and can be used as trial games for next years team?
Seems a bit mad that championship games are irrelevant especially the 1st round.
Munster U20 as ye probably know is the same as the Senior championship round robin with 1st to final and 2nd/3rd in semi." It's easier to do that way for yourselves as you only have 5 teams in it. We have to play games to eliminate some counties before the real competition starts, and tier one is just really so the other teams have games while they wait. The only benefit to winning these games is a bye to the SF, which from a developmental point of view isn't really a benefit, as it means you get less games.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15252 - 01/04/2025 15:59:06
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Rowley and Byrne were both out injured so could have been 6 up to the age but that would still be low
Would half-guess that they don't think some of the 20yos have it in them to become Senior hurlers and that they may as well try out the 18yos and 19yos to see whether they have what it takes even if they're at a physical disadvantage" Furlong who started u20 last year is coming back from injury also.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15252 - 01/04/2025 15:59:44
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Replying To Afinestick96: "I cant think of many players in the county who I think would make a difference to the current panel bar maybe AJ Redmond and Aaron Duggan and it sounds like they both opted out themselves" Or they are in Australia or New Zealand. The 2 Foleys, Carty and Murphy come to mind.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15252 - 01/04/2025 16:02:20
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Minor team versus Laois from three years ago
Jason Rossiter (Oulart) - Extended panel on Saturday
Robbie Chapman (Duffry) - Extended panel on Saturday
Charlie Roark (Ferns) - Centre-back on Saturday, U20 centre-back last year, has another year at U20
Ciarán Doyle (Anne's) - Wing-back on Saturday, has another year at U20
Eugene Clarke (Blackwater) - Not on panel
Ben Asple (Ballyhogue) - Extended panel on Saturday, started at U20 level last year
Dylan Purcell (Duffry) - Full-forward on Saturday, has started at U20 level the last two years
Jack Hennessy (Oylegate) - Sub on Saturday, U20 extended panel last year
Páidí Doyle (Anne's) - Wing-back on Saturday, U20 wing-back last year
David McCarthy (Crossabeg) - Midfield on Saturday
Simon Roche (Oulart) - Centre-forward on Saturday, has started at U20 level the last two years
Seán Rowley (Oylegate) - Extended panel on Saturday, has started at U20 level the last two years
Cillian Byrne (Fethard) - Extended panel on Saturday, has started at U20 level the last two years
Matthew Murphy (Cushinstown) - Not on panel
James Murray (Ferns) - Not on panel
Team from Saturday against Kilkenny
Paddy Quigley (Bannow) - Minor last year
Eoin Hughes (Ballynastragh Gaels) - Minor last year
Pádraig Jones (Ballynastragh Gaels) - Think this is his last year U20
Niall Furlong (Alley) - Has another year U20
Páidí Doyle (Anne's) - Last year at U20
Charlie Roark (Ferns)- Has another year U20
Ciarán Doyle (Anne's) - Has another year U20
Jack Nolan (Oylegate) - Minor last year
David McCarthy (Crossabeg) - Last year at U20
Doran Daly O'Toole (Liam Mellows) - Has another year U20
Simon Roche (Oulart) - Last year at U20
Jack Dunne (Oulart) - Minor last year
Eoghan Cassin (Harriers) - Don't know
Dylan Purcell (Duffry) - Last year at U20
Colin Carley (Glynn) - Minor last year" Cassin and Jones both started for their clubs 1st teams in adult Championship last year.
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Replying To Viking66: "Cassin and Jones both started for their clubs 1st teams in adult Championship last year." Yeah, it's why there's no real point going on about lads not starting for their club's first team, none of the 18yos or 19yos would've been eligible to play at adult level last year
ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 01/04/2025 16:28:59
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "Yeah, it's why there's no real point going on about lads not starting for their club's first team, none of the 18yos or 19yos would've been eligible to play at adult level last year" Yep. But we should have more up to the age u20s starting for our intercounty u20s, that's partly the point. And these lads should be starters for their clubs 1st teams. On the panel apart from Furlong, Byrne and Rowley, and Jones, Paidi Doyle, McCarthy and Cassin, there are also Berry, Hennessey who is a tough enough lad, Bishop, Sean Doyle, Robbie Chapman and Ben Asple who all started for their clubs last year, and mostly were standout players.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15252 - 01/04/2025 18:01:09
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Replying To Viking66: "Yep. But we should have more up to the age u20s starting for our intercounty u20s, that's partly the point. And these lads should be starters for their clubs 1st teams. On the panel apart from Furlong, Byrne and Rowley, and Jones, Paidi Doyle, McCarthy and Cassin, there are also Berry, Hennessey who is a tough enough lad, Bishop, Sean Doyle, Robbie Chapman and Ben Asple who all started for their clubs last year, and mostly were standout players." Rightly or wrongly we had more 2024 Minors starting last Saturday than all of Tipperary, Galway, Kilkenny, Clare ,Cork and Limerick combined...
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Replying To Paull: "Rightly or wrongly we had more 2024 Minors starting last Saturday than all of Tipperary, Galway, Kilkenny, Clare ,Cork and Limerick combined..." They are good players for sure, hopefully the experience will have brought their games on a bit.
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