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Replying To WEXILE:  "To be fair that influx of lads like:

Mogie
DOK
MAC
Paudi & Kevin Foley
Liam Ryan
O'Hanlon
Jack Guiney

I know I've left out loads more but that influx were surely better than the list you've mentioned there. But yes those lads do have potential and particularly Conor Foley and Eoin Ryan they are very young to be top defenders. It takes a long time to get the physicality.

Don't mean to be any way argumentative but I think we do sometimes focus on positivity instead of reality. That was some bunch came in under Dunne and to be honest we massively underachieved with them. Also we weren't able to keep them all hurling, lads stepped away for their own reasons."
No don't apologise it's a healthy discussion.

Dee was only starting.
Mogie was excellent under Dunne alright
Hanlon was actually brought in during the Bonner era
Paudie was awful during Dunnes tenure.
Jippo always a star
And yes Mac probably had his best days then

What we're missing here is those lads were brought into the panel much earlier so they were playing senior, fitzgibbon and 21 simultaneously.

The whole point is the 2019 minor team were left waiting too long so are now retired to catch up which I believe they can do.

I'd argue the talent is there every bit as much as it was then although I'm not seeing superstar forwards as such.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3822 - 06/07/2025 13:55:58    2623905

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Replying To Jedobi:  "Tipp seem to be doing it ie Darragh McCarthy."
Yes he'd be doing very well of he could stay on the pitch

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3822 - 06/07/2025 17:25:49    2623940

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Leinster teams, what's the fascination with over playing the ball in their own half?

Wexford doing it since 2017
Dublin caught out yesterday
Kilkenny threw it away today

All giving up cheap scores from stupid decision making and playing a short ball to team mate in a worse position.

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 546 - 06/07/2025 17:36:06    2623944

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Yes he'd be doing very well of he could stay on the pitch"
Done better than any Wexford player this year. Rory O'Connor....

Jedobi (Wexford) - Posts: 251 - 06/07/2025 18:17:41    2623955

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "No don't apologise it's a healthy discussion.

Dee was only starting.
Mogie was excellent under Dunne alright
Hanlon was actually brought in during the Bonner era
Paudie was awful during Dunnes tenure.
Jippo always a star
And yes Mac probably had his best days then

What we're missing here is those lads were brought into the panel much earlier so they were playing senior, fitzgibbon and 21 simultaneously.

The whole point is the 2019 minor team were left waiting too long so are now retired to catch up which I believe they can do.

I'd argue the talent is there every bit as much as it was then although I'm not seeing superstar forwards as such."
The 2022 U20 team were probably as close to winning an All-Ireland at that level as we have been for a long time, probably left that AI behind us IMO

The 2013-2015 U21 teams were very good but Clare and Limerick were a good bit ahead of us, Galway weren't in Leinster, Offaly were at nothing, and those 2013-2015 Kilkenny U21 teams were as poor teams as Kilkenny have ever produced

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 600 - 06/07/2025 18:24:33    2623958

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Replying To Jedobi:  "Done better than any Wexford player this year. Rory O'Connor...."
He's done well, but remember most of his scores are coming from frees. He's not a top intercounty forward yet, hes just another great prospect.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16529 - 06/07/2025 21:33:20    2624002

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Replying To WEX98:  "Leinster teams, what's the fascination with over playing the ball in their own half?

Wexford doing it since 2017
Dublin caught out yesterday
Kilkenny threw it away today

All giving up cheap scores from stupid decision making and playing a short ball to team mate in a worse position."
The idea of trying to work the ball into a position to deliver a better quality ball inside is good in theory, and good in practice if you have the players good and brave enough to do it quickly. When lads dither and #### around on the ball and it breaks down it usually leads to conceding scores ok, but if you just keep playing long aimless high balls forwards from too deep in your own half you wont score the 30 plus points needed to win a modern Senior Intercounty game. The longer the ball is in the air the better chance you are giving defenders to get to it and deal with it.
What you need to do is get 2 or 3 times as many quality balls forwards than you concede points from turnovers while trying to work the ball into better delivery points. That gives you a great chance to score more than you concede.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16529 - 06/07/2025 21:39:24    2624003

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Replying To Viking66:  "The idea of trying to work the ball into a position to deliver a better quality ball inside is good in theory, and good in practice if you have the players good and brave enough to do it quickly. When lads dither and #### around on the ball and it breaks down it usually leads to conceding scores ok, but if you just keep playing long aimless high balls forwards from too deep in your own half you wont score the 30 plus points needed to win a modern Senior Intercounty game. The longer the ball is in the air the better chance you are giving defenders to get to it and deal with it.
What you need to do is get 2 or 3 times as many quality balls forwards than you concede points from turnovers while trying to work the ball into better delivery points. That gives you a great chance to score more than you concede."
We're at our best running off the shoulder, which we didn't seem to do near enough of this season.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3822 - 07/07/2025 09:14:04    2624055

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Replying To Viking66:  "The idea of trying to work the ball into a position to deliver a better quality ball inside is good in theory, and good in practice if you have the players good and brave enough to do it quickly. When lads dither and #### around on the ball and it breaks down it usually leads to conceding scores ok, but if you just keep playing long aimless high balls forwards from too deep in your own half you wont score the 30 plus points needed to win a modern Senior Intercounty game. The longer the ball is in the air the better chance you are giving defenders to get to it and deal with it.
What you need to do is get 2 or 3 times as many quality balls forwards than you concede points from turnovers while trying to work the ball into better delivery points. That gives you a great chance to score more than you concede."
Maybe we'll stick a few backs in the fowards if they're they only ones that can win the long high ball.

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 546 - 07/07/2025 11:38:34    2624082

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Replying To WEX98:  "Maybe we'll stick a few backs in the fowards if they're they only ones that can win the long high ball."
Backs don't have to catch the ball and turn, in fact they dont always have to catch it at all. Just because they are good at defending a high ball in doesn't mean they will be good at winning one by catching it and turning with it. And being a back all the way up will probably mean they don't have a forwards step, scoring instinct, or shot selection ability.
A few notable exceptions like Shane O'Donnell aside.
Young Simon Roche is a good prospect as a forward now, after playing a couple of years there.
Generally though from watching our underage teams the last couple of years having too many backs on your forwards reduces your scoring threat.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16529 - 07/07/2025 12:36:41    2624102

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "The 2022 U20 team were probably as close to winning an All-Ireland at that level as we have been for a long time, probably left that AI behind us IMO

The 2013-2015 U21 teams were very good but Clare and Limerick were a good bit ahead of us, Galway weren't in Leinster, Offaly were at nothing, and those 2013-2015 Kilkenny U21 teams were as poor teams as Kilkenny have ever produced"
Was that the team who lost to Offaly in the Leinster Final (2022)?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1427 - 08/07/2025 17:52:06    2624456

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Was that the team who lost to Offaly in the Leinster Final (2022)?"
No that was 2023. We lost to Kilkenny in the 2022 final

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16529 - 08/07/2025 18:44:31    2624470

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Two rounds of adult championship down and one round of U21 - possibly some shadow boxing .. but any potential new faces starting to emerge?

Also zero about Rossi and his future (I assume he still has one year remaining) - I see Brian Lohan has signed a new 3 year deal with Clare.

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 206 - 09/07/2025 09:44:44    2624554

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Replying To Viking66:  "No that was 2023. We lost to Kilkenny in the 2022 final"
Leinster final was in Carlow that year. From memory I think we beat the Dubs in Wexford park by a point in the semi final. Kilkenny won the All Ireland that year didn't they?

logger (Wexford) - Posts: 304 - 09/07/2025 10:05:15    2624556

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Standard been extremely poor.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 839 - 09/07/2025 12:46:15    2624596

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Replying To logger:  "Leinster final was in Carlow that year. From memory I think we beat the Dubs in Wexford park by a point in the semi final. Kilkenny won the All Ireland that year didn't they?"
Yeah, Kilkenny beat Limerick by a point in the U20 AI Final that year

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 600 - 09/07/2025 13:03:00    2624603

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Wexford: Cian Byrne; Eoin Ryan, Conor Foley, AJ Redmond; Joe Barrett, Cian Molloy (0-1), Kyle Scallan; Darragh Carley, Luke Kavanagh; Richie Lawlor (0-1), Corey Byrne Dunbar, Shamey O'Hagan; Cian Browne, Jack Redmond (0-2), Cian Byrne (0-10, 7f)

Subs: David Codd for Corey Byrne Dunbar (44), Tomas Kinsella (0-1) for Shamey O'Hagan (47), JJ Twamley for Darragh Carley (52), Josh Shiel for Cian Browne (57), Liam Cassin on for Luke Kavanagh (59)

There is the Wexford team in 2022 that was beaten by Kilkenny. To be fair to Keith a lot of these have been in squads or are now starters.

Cian Byrne GK - Has been in the squad but wasn't this year

Eoin Ryan - starter
Conor Foley - starter
AJ Redmond - doesn't want to commit

Joe Barrett - Has Joe been looked at? Very good hurler
Cian Molloy - starter
Kyle Scallan - Has been in squads but i think he's injured

Darragh Carley - in the squad, started v Kilkenny
Luke Kavanagh - Hasn't been looked at

Richie Lawlor - starter
Corey Byrne Dunbar - in the squad, started v Kilkenny
Shamey O'Hagan - Has been in the squad earlier in the year

Cian Browne - Hasn't been looked at
Jack Redmond - in the squad
Cian Byrne - starter

Subs

David Codd - in squad this year but did he get injured
Tomas Kinsella - in squad
JJ Twamley - Hasn't been looked at
Josh Shiel - I think he's been on the extended panel but is he injured?
Liam Cassin - Hasn't been looked at

logger (Wexford) - Posts: 304 - 09/07/2025 15:08:12    2624646

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Replying To MyOhMi:  "Two rounds of adult championship down and one round of U21 - possibly some shadow boxing .. but any potential new faces starting to emerge?

Also zero about Rossi and his future (I assume he still has one year remaining) - I see Brian Lohan has signed a new 3 year deal with Clare."
I could be wrong but I feel that Keith may have had enough.
Yes he had injuries and retirements during the last two years but taking that into consideration he still failed to make the best use of what he had at his disposal. That of course doesn't mean that a new manager will do any better.
We have no real depth in our panel at present.
The evidence is there for all to see.
Overreliance on Chin to be a miracle worker.
Nothing fresh coming through, although a few from the u20s of the last few years might fill a gap or two.
Our backs are weak and unable to perform at a higher level. Without a fit Jippo we are shapeless.
With his regular injuries I wonder how much more can he take?
The tricky part is if Rossi does step down who is out there to take control?
No decent alternatives spring to mind.
No point changing managers just for the sake of it.
If he does stay perhaps we need to shake up the backroom team. New ideas and fresh thinking are needed. The coaching doesn't seem to be bearing quality fruit. I'm totally convinced that our biggest problem is our frailties in our back lines.
A fully fit Liam Ryan and Molloy at 6
With Damien at wing back could give us more balance, better positioning and a better defensive structure.
Surely it's worth trying.
If we keep playing the same old way then we can expect more of the same and end up struggling to make any sort of progress.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 537 - 09/07/2025 16:15:37    2624663

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Replying To logger:  "Wexford: Cian Byrne; Eoin Ryan, Conor Foley, AJ Redmond; Joe Barrett, Cian Molloy (0-1), Kyle Scallan; Darragh Carley, Luke Kavanagh; Richie Lawlor (0-1), Corey Byrne Dunbar, Shamey O'Hagan; Cian Browne, Jack Redmond (0-2), Cian Byrne (0-10, 7f)

Subs: David Codd for Corey Byrne Dunbar (44), Tomas Kinsella (0-1) for Shamey O'Hagan (47), JJ Twamley for Darragh Carley (52), Josh Shiel for Cian Browne (57), Liam Cassin on for Luke Kavanagh (59)

There is the Wexford team in 2022 that was beaten by Kilkenny. To be fair to Keith a lot of these have been in squads or are now starters.

Cian Byrne GK - Has been in the squad but wasn't this year

Eoin Ryan - starter
Conor Foley - starter
AJ Redmond - doesn't want to commit

Joe Barrett - Has Joe been looked at? Very good hurler
Cian Molloy - starter
Kyle Scallan - Has been in squads but i think he's injured

Darragh Carley - in the squad, started v Kilkenny
Luke Kavanagh - Hasn't been looked at

Richie Lawlor - starter
Corey Byrne Dunbar - in the squad, started v Kilkenny
Shamey O'Hagan - Has been in the squad earlier in the year

Cian Browne - Hasn't been looked at
Jack Redmond - in the squad
Cian Byrne - starter

Subs

David Codd - in squad this year but did he get injured
Tomas Kinsella - in squad
JJ Twamley - Hasn't been looked at
Josh Shiel - I think he's been on the extended panel but is he injured?
Liam Cassin - Hasn't been looked at"
Cian Byrne is a very good keeper, should be in the squad.
AJ might commit, he got injured last year
Joe Barrett got asked this year apparently,excellent for Martins last year.
Scallan was in squad this year.
O Hagan got injured.
Codd was injured ok.
Shiel played Senior under Egan.
Twalmey, Cassin, Browne and Kavanagh I'm not sure about as regards Senior intercounty but I think all are starting for their clubs?
Was a good team.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16529 - 09/07/2025 16:45:44    2624673

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Replying To Magpie2:  "I could be wrong but I feel that Keith may have had enough.
Yes he had injuries and retirements during the last two years but taking that into consideration he still failed to make the best use of what he had at his disposal. That of course doesn't mean that a new manager will do any better.
We have no real depth in our panel at present.
The evidence is there for all to see.
Overreliance on Chin to be a miracle worker.
Nothing fresh coming through, although a few from the u20s of the last few years might fill a gap or two.
Our backs are weak and unable to perform at a higher level. Without a fit Jippo we are shapeless.
With his regular injuries I wonder how much more can he take?
The tricky part is if Rossi does step down who is out there to take control?
No decent alternatives spring to mind.
No point changing managers just for the sake of it.
If he does stay perhaps we need to shake up the backroom team. New ideas and fresh thinking are needed. The coaching doesn't seem to be bearing quality fruit. I'm totally convinced that our biggest problem is our frailties in our back lines.
A fully fit Liam Ryan and Molloy at 6
With Damien at wing back could give us more balance, better positioning and a better defensive structure.
Surely it's worth trying.
If we keep playing the same old way then we can expect more of the same and end up struggling to make any sort of progress."
Maybe freshening up the training might help ok. Introduce some of the more modern coaching ideas out there.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16529 - 09/07/2025 16:47:32    2624674

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