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I think what people who are saying is the tactical way modern day Gaelic football has evolved to be played is a disaster and a dead end and therefore in this light it is worth letting these trial rules come into force and have time to bed in for a year to see how they play out. Letting the current styles of play continue is not a good option. We know there will be bedding in issues but we need to give time to see will these be overcome when we get used to them. And then even if there are issues after a year will these issues really more serious than the current negative styles of play spectators and players are having to deal with. Also maybe after a year there could be some obvious tweaks to new rules which are identified. There may also be issues with more teams taking bigger beatings, again lets review after a year- It may be a case of deciding is it really much worse if a team takes a 20 point beating than a 10 point beating playing a thick blanket defense making no attempt to to win. GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 50 - 22/10/2024 11:19:50 2576324 Link 0 |
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whats stopping a club groundman lining out the new arc 37 meters at one end of the pitch? home team immediatly at an advantage Pushup567 (Leitrim) - Posts: 6 - 22/10/2024 12:28:01 2576336 Link 1 |
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7 metres from the top of the D & 5 metres inside the 45.
everytomdick&harry (Monaghan) - Posts: 19 - 22/10/2024 13:54:35 2576355 Link 0 |
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Is changing ends at half time no longer a rule??????? Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 22/10/2024 13:56:59 2576357 Link 0 |
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Reports suggest that they're going to leave the goal at 3 points and just 1 point for a 45. I think the ratios between the scores are now going to be all wrong. 2 'long points' will then exceed the value of a goal, which is crazy. This devalues a goal and could lead to less of them, even though they are the most exciting score in a game. The ratio between a long and short point at 2:1 is also imbalanced. It's 3:2 in basketball, which is about right. I know it is not realistic but it should be about 8:3:2 between goals, long and short points. They were originally considering 5:2:1 which undervalued the 'short point' but wasn't bad. CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 122 - 22/10/2024 14:55:33 2576372 Link 0 |
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That's where Leitrim have being going wrong for all these years. Its a game of two halves - can you spread the word?
hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 417 - 22/10/2024 15:06:41 2576377 Link 1 |
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From my experience there will be no issue with players and keeping 3 up. In fact the issue may be deciding which 3, there will be no shortage of takers in my club volunteering tonbe one of the 3, in fact begging and will have no problem not coming out, most didn't want to do it in the first place. I think people are over thinking that this will be an issue in particular. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1421 - 22/10/2024 15:16:57 2576381 Link 1 |
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1v1, kick and go, dissent. SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 433 - 22/10/2024 16:37:54 2576405 Link 0 |
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Remains to be seen if Gaelic football has gone past the point of saving! Soccer and rugby are more entertaining. The club games are particularly hard to watch, and being reflected in falling attendances. Harte didn't need to employ this drivel with Tyrone, as his all Ireland winning teams had excellent footballers. Mc Guinness won club titles with Glenties and all Ireland in 2012 with donegal, so in his eyes, the end justified the means. Latest rule changes look drastic!
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 367 - 22/10/2024 16:42:05 2576409 Link 0 |
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That's how refs in junior soccer enforce the offside rule No VAR required tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 22/10/2024 18:11:54 2576425 Link 0 |
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Seems there is unlikely to be support for a goal being worth 4 points. Understandable the FRC wanted to increase the value of a goal but there is a concern of teams defending deep to avoid the concession of goals. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8247 - 22/10/2024 19:02:41 2576435 Link 0 |
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Rugby more entertaining is certainly a stretch, rugby like Gaelic has deteriorated drastically in past five years with behemoths contesting every ball and yard until someone makes a mistake and a try or penalty results, virtually no flair or backline moves a la Ringland and Crossan in the 80s. The substitutions of 8 players between the 45th and 60th minute adds to the issues. Add in the interminable time to simply set a scrum and it's no wonder spectators head to the bars during play.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1890 - 22/10/2024 20:17:55 2576450 Link 0 |
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I honestly don't know why it takes a posse to do a couple of simple things that I have said for years. The kick out has to go outside 40 meters. Once the ball crosses the mid way line it can't be played back except it goes inside 20 meter's at the opposition line and then it still cannot go back across the half way line until the next play. . Two simple changes. The goalie can stand forever on the half way line then or if he gets too cute inside the opposite half practice kicking it over his head into his goal.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2865 - 22/10/2024 20:50:58 2576455 Link 0 |
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I agree football has been poor entertainment wise in recent years due to packed defenses and the keep ball and is a distant second to hurling for entertainment. However no way would I find soccer more entertaining.A nil all draw would nt float my boat. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3842 - 22/10/2024 21:25:57 2576462 Link 1 |
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I was at Leinster Munster rugby at Croker, no atmosphere even with 80k people, poor game, watched Liverpool Chelsea on Sunday, rubbish.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 788 - 22/10/2024 21:53:11 2576467 Link 3 |
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Your from Tyrone
germac (Down) - Posts: 554 - 22/10/2024 22:16:51 2576471 Link 1 |
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Tomsmith here from Cavan tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3973 - 23/10/2024 14:55:37 2576567 Link 0 |
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Reports suggest that they're going to leave the goal at 3 points and just 1 point for a 45. I think the ratios between the scores are now going to be all wrong. 2 'long points' will then exceed the value of a goal, which is crazy. This devalues a goal and could lead to less of them, even though they are the most exciting score in a game. The ratio between a long and short point at 2:1 is also imbalanced. It's 3:2 in basketball, which is about right. I know it is not realistic but it should be about 8:3:2 between goals, long and short points. They were originally considering 5:2:1 which undervalued the 'short point' but wasn't bad."]I'd set the ratio as 7:3:2 but maybe that looks too close to rugby scoring! Thats not going to happen. So my preference would be to leave the scoring as trialled 4:2:1 but leave a 45 as a point. If they go with a ratio of 3:2:1 - cue the a bore fest with little incentive to move the ball inside the 40. We'd be better off leaving the scoring as it is and not bother with a two point score than that. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 338 - 23/10/2024 15:42:49 2576575 Link 0 |
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Reports suggest that they're going to leave the goal at 3 points and just 1 point for a 45. I think the ratios between the scores are now going to be all wrong. 2 'long points' will then exceed the value of a goal, which is crazy. This devalues a goal and could lead to less of them, even though they are the most exciting score in a game. The ratio between a long and short point at 2:1 is also imbalanced. It's 3:2 in basketball, which is about right. I know it is not realistic but it should be about 8:3:2 between goals, long and short points. They were originally considering 5:2:1 which undervalued the 'short point' but wasn't bad."]I'd set the ratio as 7:3:2 but maybe that looks too close to rugby scoring! Thats not going to happen. So my preference would be to leave the scoring as trialled 4:2:1 but leave a 45 as a point. If they go with a ratio of 3:2:1 - cue the a bore fest with little incentive to move the ball inside the 40. We'd be better off leaving the scoring as it is and not bother with a two point score than that."]Agree with your last sentence. Reducing the goal back to 3 has to mean the end of the 2 and the Arc. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1918 - 23/10/2024 18:33:54 2576591 Link 0 |
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Reports suggest that they're going to leave the goal at 3 points and just 1 point for a 45. I think the ratios between the scores are now going to be all wrong. 2 'long points' will then exceed the value of a goal, which is crazy. This devalues a goal and could lead to less of them, even though they are the most exciting score in a game. The ratio between a long and short point at 2:1 is also imbalanced. It's 3:2 in basketball, which is about right. I know it is not realistic but it should be about 8:3:2 between goals, long and short points. They were originally considering 5:2:1 which undervalued the 'short point' but wasn't bad."]I'd set the ratio as 7:3:2 but maybe that looks too close to rugby scoring! Thats not going to happen. So my preference would be to leave the scoring as trialled 4:2:1 but leave a 45 as a point. If they go with a ratio of 3:2:1 - cue the a bore fest with little incentive to move the ball inside the 40. We'd be better off leaving the scoring as it is and not bother with a two point score than that."]Agree with your last sentence. Reducing the goal back to 3 has to mean the end of the 2 and the Arc."]No harm to stick to the 1 point, 3 point goal and let the other rules free up some space inside and encourage more risk taking from attackers. Maybe give 2 points for a sideline free, one of the great skills of Gaelic Football. For me goals look great on the telly, even scrappy goals, that decide tight games. Like the 2001 Connacht Final! But if you're at the match it's hard to see the goals scored if you're not near that end. Goals are harder to get but there's something beautiful about seeing a long range point being attempted. The kicker gets some space from his marker and gets the kick away, it gets higher and higher, looks class but you can't quite see did it go over or wide until you see the umpire raise the flag and the ground erupts. Mortals score goals but Gaelic Footballers kick points. Maurice the Magician: link GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7622 - 23/10/2024 20:34:47 2576606 Link 0 |