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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Only made a reply to someone who went off topic…!"
And if that refers to me, all I did was reply directly to a comment you'd already made.

You then went off on another tangent altogether.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2622 - 24/09/2024 11:34:53    2571589

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "And if that refers to me, all I did was reply directly to a comment you'd already made.

You then went off on another tangent altogether."
Yes you went off topic completely….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 24/09/2024 13:29:07    2571612

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Yes you went off topic completely…."
This is all becoming a bit schoolyard.

You criticised how some people seem to make up the rules as they go along. I simply directly agreed with you, and gave an example.

You then started banging your drum again about "numpties" in Croke Park, and Hawkeye. I strongly suspect that's what most would feel was going way off topic.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2622 - 24/09/2024 16:11:18    2571645

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "This is all becoming a bit schoolyard.

You criticised how some people seem to make up the rules as they go along. I simply directly agreed with you, and gave an example.

You then started banging your drum again about "numpties" in Croke Park, and Hawkeye. I strongly suspect that's what most would feel was going way off topic."
I was just pointing out how some referees seem to not know the rules or in other words making them up… At the weekend I observed one ref twice giving a mark from a ball played in from a free which I don't think should be called and then threatening to give a penalty if players moved off the line before a close in free was taken…. Is this a rule..? if so I never heard of it before…!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 24/09/2024 19:02:14    2571663

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I was just pointing out how some referees seem to not know the rules or in other words making them up… At the weekend I observed one ref twice giving a mark from a ball played in from a free which I don't think should be called and then threatening to give a penalty if players moved off the line before a close in free was taken…. Is this a rule..? if so I never heard of it before…!!"
On the first of those - a mark should not be awarded in the case of a ball kicked in from set play (i.e. a free, a sideline kick, or even another mark). Rule Book is quite clear on this. Referee was wrong in this case, if that's indeed what he did.

However, in the other case, referee was correct. Rule Book is equally clear that a penalty is to be awarded for any foul within the small square.

Let's say it's a free from the 13-metre line, more or less in front of the centre of the goal. Defending players must remain 13 metres away from a free, and so they stand on the goal line. But if they take a step or two forward before the free is taken, they'll be encroaching within 13 metres, and will therefore be committing a foul. And since that foul will be within the small square, referee will be perfectly entitled to award a penalty.

Referee wasn't making anything up there. You just didn't know the rule yourself.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2622 - 24/09/2024 21:19:37    2571685

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I accept that on the second point as I said I never saw that before…. but why are you questioning the other one happened…? Were you there by any chance…?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 25/09/2024 10:14:48    2571723

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I accept that on the second point as I said I never saw that before…. but why are you questioning the other one happened…? Were you there by any chance…?"
Let's just say you sometimes see things differently to others :)

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2622 - 25/09/2024 10:59:31    2571740

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Some craic when the chief moaners on here demanding rule changes don't understand the current rules as they are. Armchair supporters looking to be entertained.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8157 - 25/09/2024 13:09:38    2571778

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Some craic when the chief moaners on here demanding rule changes don't understand the current rules as they are. Armchair supporters looking to be entertained."
Nothing like a legitimate thread and the flake moaning about people "moaning"

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 25/09/2024 13:49:15    2571791

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For what it's worth, another little-known rule where there'd probably be uproar if it ever happened and the referee applied the rule properly -
The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into the hands.

It's Rule 2.7(a) from Part 2 of the Rule Book.

Basically means he could dribble it soccer-style for as far as he wants, and even do a couple of keepy-uppies, before giving it a 'proper' kick.

And by the absolute letter of the law, he'd even be able to pick it up and carry it with just one hand, because the rule specifies hands (plural).

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2622 - 25/09/2024 14:36:10    2571808

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Nothing like a legitimate thread and the flake moaning about people "moaning""
Xx

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8157 - 25/09/2024 17:14:48    2571838

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Nothing like a legitimate thread and the flake moaning about people "moaning""
The main person constantly moaning on here who wants rule changes doesn't understand all the rules. Kinda worth pointing out.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8157 - 25/09/2024 17:49:41    2571841

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "For what it's worth, another little-known rule where there'd probably be uproar if it ever happened and the referee applied the rule properly -
The player taking a kick-out may kick the ball more than once before any other player touches it but may not take the ball into the hands.

It's Rule 2.7(a) from Part 2 of the Rule Book.

Basically means he could dribble it soccer-style for as far as he wants, and even do a couple of keepy-uppies, before giving it a 'proper' kick.

And by the absolute letter of the law, he'd even be able to pick it up and carry it with just one hand, because the rule specifies hands (plural)."
But doesn't the rule that the kick-out must travel beyond the arc, essentially make that irrelevant? It'd be almost impossible to dribble the ball or do a keepy-uppy after the first kick goes at least 13m, without someone else intercepting.
Otherwise, a goalie could chip the kick-out up to himself in one hand.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 25/09/2024 18:01:07    2571844

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@WanPintWin - What the rule actually says is this (in fact, it's the very next line) -
The ball shall travel not less than 13m and outside the 20m line before being played by another player of the defending team.

Note how it says another player of the defending team. There's no stipulation on how far the ball has to travel before the kick-out taker can play it again himself.

And yes, you're pointing out one of the things that a goalkeeper could do because of this rule. I'm pointing out there'd be uproar if it ever happened and the referee correctly allowed him to do so, because others wouldn't know the rule.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2622 - 25/09/2024 18:46:38    2571850

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "@WanPintWin - What the rule actually says is this (in fact, it's the very next line) -
The ball shall travel not less than 13m and outside the 20m line before being played by another player of the defending team.

Note how it says another player of the defending team. There's no stipulation on how far the ball has to travel before the kick-out taker can play it again himself.

And yes, you're pointing out one of the things that a goalkeeper could do because of this rule. I'm pointing out there'd be uproar if it ever happened and the referee correctly allowed him to do so, because others wouldn't know the rule."
Very interesting. I might have a word with the ref before our game at the weekend, just make sure he understands the rule fully. :)

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 25/09/2024 22:37:48    2571874

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Some craic when the chief moaners on here demanding rule changes don't understand the current rules as they are. Armchair supporters looking to be entertained."
Just like the referee I guess who gave 2 marks from ball kicked in from a free…. Now if the refs don't know the rules where does that sit with your moaning Flaker…?

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 25/09/2024 22:47:09    2571875

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Just like the referee I guess who gave 2 marks from ball kicked in from a free…. Now if the refs don't know the rules where does that sit with your moaning Flaker…?"
Ah I love how you ignored the other thing you pointed out that was incorrect but we should still listen to your other stories. Tell me who was playing in the game you attended?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8157 - 26/09/2024 09:20:59    2571893

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Ah I love how you ignored the other thing you pointed out that was incorrect but we should still listen to your other stories. Tell me who was playing in the game you attended?"
Never mind who was playing as that would lead to the referee in question being identified which is not a nice thing to do to anyone…. I admitted at the time that I didn't realise that the other call was an actual rule in the game so I don't know what your problem is… apart from wanting to drag down the name of a referee which doesn't surprise me…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 26/09/2024 12:56:36    2571932

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Never mind who was playing as that would lead to the referee in question being identified which is not a nice thing to do to anyone…. I admitted at the time that I didn't realise that the other call was an actual rule in the game so I don't know what your problem is… apart from wanting to drag down the name of a referee which doesn't surprise me…"
The problem is I don't believe it happened. Hope that clears it up for you. Refs make mistakes all the time. Tough job. You think a ref will be ruined by you saying what game this took place in. Hardly. Also it never happened.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8157 - 26/09/2024 13:05:10    2571939

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Never mind who was playing as that would lead to the referee in question being identified which is not a nice thing to do to anyone…. I admitted at the time that I didn't realise that the other call was an actual rule in the game so I don't know what your problem is… apart from wanting to drag down the name of a referee which doesn't surprise me…"
There's a delicious irony to so many of your posts.

This thread started out as a simple question on whether or not there's a rule to govern a particular thing, and that question was quickly answered. That could have been the end of it.

You then started a general criticism about referees not knowing rules and making things up as they go along, and regaled us with tales of what you say you've witnessed yourself.

But as soon as somebody asks for any specifics at all, you think they're the one crossing the line.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2622 - 26/09/2024 13:15:14    2571950

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