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I feel the hurling issues are different to football - as "points" are easily scored from all distances.
So, should a 45-20 puck be required before a "point" is eligible inside the 20? And otherwise, should it be a "point" scored outside the arc but a "2 pointer" must be scored from the restricted area of "inside the arc, outside the 20".
Opinions, please?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2891 - 02/08/2024 03:54:26
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No change needed.
bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4643 - 02/08/2024 13:41:08
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Replying To bad.monkey: "No change needed." Make it 2 points from inside the arc to stop these 100 metre points!!
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1955 - 02/08/2024 13:57:56
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Hurling isn't broke, no need to fix it
DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 301 - 02/08/2024 13:59:37
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My opinion is leave the greatest sport we play alone.
We could do with more emphasis on hurling in the weaker counties but game wise, it's a beautiful thing
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 02/08/2024 14:33:25
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Replying To omahant: "I feel the hurling issues are different to football - as "points" are easily scored from all distances.
So, should a 45-20 puck be required before a "point" is eligible inside the 20? And otherwise, should it be a "point" scored outside the arc but a "2 pointer" must be scored from the restricted area of "inside the arc, outside the 20".
Opinions, please?" You're some man to make things complicated.
How would this 45-20 thing work? A player inside the 20m line wouldn't be entitled to take a point if he got the ball from a pass that came from anywhere inside the 45? That sounds crazy.
Anyway, have already posted over on the Football Review thread about my main reservation about any proposal for new rules involving a new arc. It's to do with the difficulties of implementing them on club pitches where lines are faded because it's simply not practical for the volunteers who mark the pitches to have them freshly done for every single match.
I was at an underage match yesterday evening where if you were standing on the 65m line, you couldn't see the 45, never mind the penalty area or small square.
There'd be some craic there if a team who had just scored a point was insisting that the shot came from just outside the arc, the team who conceded the score was insisting the shot was from just inside it, and the referee was more than 20m away at the time and so couldn't even see the arc.
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The only thing I would like to see in Hurling would be a rule that says that if a free out is given inside your own 65 line that it must be struck by your nearest player. This carry on of a goalkeeper strolling out to the half back line or a forward strolling back from the full forward line to his own half back to strike a free, it constantly slows down the game and wastes time. Would be nice to see an end to that.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2085 - 02/08/2024 17:30:43
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Replying To omahant: "I feel the hurling issues are different to football - as "points" are easily scored from all distances.
So, should a 45-20 puck be required before a "point" is eligible inside the 20? And otherwise, should it be a "point" scored outside the arc but a "2 pointer" must be scored from the restricted area of "inside the arc, outside the 20".
Opinions, please?" Please stop
LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 257 - 02/08/2024 17:31:07
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Make it 2 points from inside the arc to stop these 100 metre points!!" Stick to lateral handpass ball
LockLeanGayl (Westmeath) - Posts: 257 - 02/08/2024 17:31:44
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@Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2359 - 02/08/2024 15:03:39
I don't try to be complicated - solutions are not always simple.
Under the 45-20 scenario you described - yes, a point (or goal) is not eligible inside the 20, but sliotar can be played back outside the 20 from where a score is eligible.
I love hurling - it's in a great spot - but I'd like two issues addressed: 1) thrown pass; 2) easy points.
1) Thrown Pass - I'd give the ref, not the player, the benefit of the doubt - if the hand striking action is unclear, it's a violation and free (require tap off the hurl, or when using one hand, put a "foot of daylight" between the withdrawing hand and sliotar before the follow through).
2) Easy Points - Bring back a denser sliotar, cheapen points by making goals more valuable (5 pts?), or make points ineligible under certain scenarios.
You would change nothing?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2891 - 02/08/2024 17:50:06
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Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2359 - 02/08/2024 15:03:39
Club Line Markings - With their absence or lack of clarity at your referenced match, were flags at least placed on the ground at both sidelines to signify the "lines"?
Such flags could better signify a 2-pts zone as well, if the 1-pt zone (inside) was a rectangle instead of the proposed arc. I've suggested a 33-metres line at the top of the D, outside which 2-pointers could be scored if kicked from up to say, 20 metres in from either sideline (only 1 pt from outside mid section of the 33, as it's easier). Or, if the latter is a needless complication, all scores outside the 33 are 2 pts.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2891 - 02/08/2024 18:07:46
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Replying To omahant: "@Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2359 - 02/08/2024 15:03:39
I don't try to be complicated - solutions are not always simple.
Under the 45-20 scenario you described - yes, a point (or goal) is not eligible inside the 20, but sliotar can be played back outside the 20 from where a score is eligible.
I love hurling - it's in a great spot - but I'd like two issues addressed: 1) thrown pass; 2) easy points.
1) Thrown Pass - I'd give the ref, not the player, the benefit of the doubt - if the hand striking action is unclear, it's a violation and free (require tap off the hurl, or when using one hand, put a "foot of daylight" between the withdrawing hand and sliotar before the follow through).
2) Easy Points - Bring back a denser sliotar, cheapen points by making goals more valuable (5 pts?), or make points ineligible under certain scenarios.
You would change nothing?" No
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 02/08/2024 23:36:43
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Replying To Bon: "The only thing I would like to see in Hurling would be a rule that says that if a free out is given inside your own 65 line that it must be struck by your nearest player. This carry on of a goalkeeper strolling out to the half back line or a forward strolling back from the full forward line to his own half back to strike a free, it constantly slows down the game and wastes time. Would be nice to see an end to that." In the same way it would be great to see the end of goalkeepers in football strolling up the field to take 45's and free kicks…. Slows the game down terribly.
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 03/08/2024 09:50:06
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Replying To omahant: "@Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2359 - 02/08/2024 15:03:39
I don't try to be complicated - solutions are not always simple.
Under the 45-20 scenario you described - yes, a point (or goal) is not eligible inside the 20, but sliotar can be played back outside the 20 from where a score is eligible.
I love hurling - it's in a great spot - but I'd like two issues addressed: 1) thrown pass; 2) easy points.
1) Thrown Pass - I'd give the ref, not the player, the benefit of the doubt - if the hand striking action is unclear, it's a violation and free (require tap off the hurl, or when using one hand, put a "foot of daylight" between the withdrawing hand and sliotar before the follow through).
2) Easy Points - Bring back a denser sliotar, cheapen points by making goals more valuable (5 pts?), or make points ineligible under certain scenarios.
You would change nothing?" Sort the handpass and you might solve number 2 aswell. The throw is facilitating easy scores to players in space. Its not that easy to score from 100 yards if your under pressure.
ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 708 - 03/08/2024 11:52:34
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The game is brilliant to start with and changes sometimes required have to be calculated and not just reactive. Otherwise we end up with the mess made of the great game of Gaelic football.
The first thing to do is make the calling and implementation of existing rules better. It is very easy for us all to blame refs etc. with officiating today with practices that were relevant when the game was played at pedestrian speed.
With regards the hand pass and throwing the ball. It came about from necessity to get the ball away out of rucks and swarm defence. Pulling the hand of the person executing it or lifting it. A player attempting to execute what is a legal pass would be dispossessed every time. In open play the pass is executed perfectly every time. In the past the game was much more one on one. To me I would experiment with some form of penalizing third or fourth man in. Not sure how best to do this but some means of discouraging rucking and swarming would solve hand passing. Hand passing per say is not the problem.
Every thing from to society to sport requires change as it evolves. It is how that change is done while maintaining the integrity of what we cherish is important.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2866 - 04/08/2024 15:31:30
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