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Replying To legendzxix: "Are the 7 core rules changes that complicated? 1. 1v1 throw-in to start the game 2. 40 metre scoring arc and new scoring system 3. Kick-outs from the 20 having to go beyond the 40 arc. 4. 'Solo and Go' 5. Advanced mark changes for kicks outside the 45 fielded inside the 20, and an advantage being allowed which should create goal opportunities. 6. Limits on passing to the goalkeeper. Player and keeper must both be on the large rectangle, or the keeper has advanced beyond the 65 yard line. 7. 3/3 Up/Back. Supposedly this might change to a new halfway line. By that extension, possibly the passing to the keeper in point 6 might also apply when the keeper advances beyond halfway. 1, 2, 3 and 4 seem very straightforward. 5 seems an improvement on the current advance mark and should be a smooth change. 6. New but should be very manageable. 7. Again a new one. A bit tricky for one official but the feedback is that it is generally self policed. Players won't be long drawing refs attention to players straying out of bounds." The Railway cup has had its day. Saying that, I don't see why we couldn't have some sort of match on the bank holiday weekend in October/November where th best players are playing against each other, be it international rules/all star game etc. probably not Croke Park but maybe Dr Cullen Park/Breffni Park type of ground. As for the rule changes 1. 1v1 throw-in to start the game - should be good improvement, particularly if cynical fouling is punished - the current situation end up in a free 60% of the time 2. 40 metre scoring arc and new scoring system Can't see how this won't be an improvement, less and less players need to kick long range points or goals (both considered low percentage shots/plays at present), we would all love players to be a bit more adventurous 3. Kick-outs from the 20 having to go beyond the 40 arc. Can't be a bad thing - if your keeper can't kick a ball 20m into the wind, off a tee, you need to put an actual goalie in goal 4. 'Solo and Go' Apparently it's great - can't see why it won't work if cynical tackles/fouls are punished properly 5. Advanced mark changes for kicks outside the 45 fielded inside the 20, and an advantage being allowed A major improvement - just wish they would make it for overhead/diving catches only 6. Limits on passing to the goalkeeper. To be welcomed - really sick of the sight of goalies 7. 3/3 Up/Back. Supposedly this might change to a new halfway line. This is essentially a form of GAA offside. Despite all the moaning, offside rules are being implemented across the world in underage and junior soccer without too much difficulty. Plenty of dodgy calls but what harm, cant have VAR everywhere. 8. Cynical fouls moved up 50m The real game changer. Just need refs to implement I'd have redefined the tackle to allow physical contact on the torso with the inside (open) hand while simultaneously trying to dispossess the ball with the outside hand. I would ban the handoff also. I would then limit the number of tacklers to one at a time. We need to give good defenders more tools to allow a fair tackle and negate the need for doubling up on defenders. At present, a good defender has a limited range of options to stop his opponent on his own once they get the ball. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 16/10/2024 01:22:40 2575187 Link
Ooh we hate rules (or following them) in the GAA! Whether it's suspensions or game rules, the first port of call is how will I get away with this or how can I bend this to my advantage. The avenues to appeal suspensions are many which makes a mockery of the system and just endorses bad behaviour on and now off the field of play. I've also already seen on many forums coaches or people involved in coaching questioning how these new proposed rules can be interpreted in their teams favour. "If we are ahead in the last few minutes, can we do this or that etc" . There are very few guardians of the game left I'm afraid. Rules - not the problem Coaches - the problem And before you choke on your protein shake in rage, this is just my opinion ! ParkTheBus (Cavan) - Posts: 33 - 16/10/2024 12:21:07 2575265 Link
Replying To ParkTheBus: "Ooh we hate rules (or following them) in the GAA! Whether it's suspensions or game rules, the first port of call is how will I get away with this or how can I bend this to my advantage. The avenues to appeal suspensions are many which makes a mockery of the system and just endorses bad behaviour on and now off the field of play. I've also already seen on many forums coaches or people involved in coaching questioning how these new proposed rules can be interpreted in their teams favour. "If we are ahead in the last few minutes, can we do this or that etc" . There are very few guardians of the game left I'm afraid. Rules - not the problem Coaches - the problem And before you choke on your protein shake in rage, this is just my opinion !" Nothing in the proposed new rules to stop a team "passing the parcel" round the half-way line. I'm still of the opinion they needed to address handpassing and possession. And as a humerous aside.... If you get 2 points for a score from outside 40 the throw/shovel the ball over the bar should only get half a point.! Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1952 - 16/10/2024 13:02:58 2575278 Link
Replying To ParkTheBus: "Ooh we hate rules (or following them) in the GAA! Whether it's suspensions or game rules, the first port of call is how will I get away with this or how can I bend this to my advantage. The avenues to appeal suspensions are many which makes a mockery of the system and just endorses bad behaviour on and now off the field of play. I've also already seen on many forums coaches or people involved in coaching questioning how these new proposed rules can be interpreted in their teams favour. "If we are ahead in the last few minutes, can we do this or that etc" . There are very few guardians of the game left I'm afraid. Rules - not the problem Coaches - the problem And before you choke on your protein shake in rage, this is just my opinion !" Parkthebus you are 100% correct and just confirming what I have said here 100 times… The game is fine.. it's the ( well paid ) coaches that's the problem..! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 16/10/2024 13:08:07 2575281 Link
Replying To ParkTheBus: "Ooh we hate rules (or following them) in the GAA! Whether it's suspensions or game rules, the first port of call is how will I get away with this or how can I bend this to my advantage. The avenues to appeal suspensions are many which makes a mockery of the system and just endorses bad behaviour on and now off the field of play. I've also already seen on many forums coaches or people involved in coaching questioning how these new proposed rules can be interpreted in their teams favour. "If we are ahead in the last few minutes, can we do this or that etc" . There are very few guardians of the game left I'm afraid. Rules - not the problem Coaches - the problem And before you choke on your protein shake in rage, this is just my opinion !" You're teasing us by not giving the juicy details of how these coaches are going to bend the new rules!!! systematic (Galway) - Posts: 119 - 16/10/2024 13:31:07 2575290 Link
I like (1) The new idea of the Throw in (2) Kickouts (3) Keeper unable to play the ball in his own half unless inside the 20 metre line and the player passing to him has to be in there also. (4) Tap and go for a free I don't like (1) the forward mark (2) The 3 players inside the 45 metre line is totally unworkable That's the bones of it I think eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1957 - 16/10/2024 14:14:48 2575297 Link
Replying To eoinog: "I like (1) The new idea of the Throw in (2) Kickouts (3) Keeper unable to play the ball in his own half unless inside the 20 metre line and the player passing to him has to be in there also. (4) Tap and go for a free I don't like (1) the forward mark (2) The 3 players inside the 45 metre line is totally unworkable That's the bones of it I think" Agree with 1 and 4 if your likes. Will reserve judgement on 2 and 3 till Ovsee it in action. Does the new mark rule also apply to a defender? That 45 rule is now the extended halfway line. Still unworkable in practice. Might work if only 2 players? 2 points arc and 4 point goal - NO! Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1952 - 16/10/2024 15:52:31 2575325 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Agree with 1 and 4 if your likes. Will reserve judgement on 2 and 3 till Ovsee it in action. Does the new mark rule also apply to a defender? That 45 rule is now the extended halfway line. Still unworkable in practice. Might work if only 2 players? 2 points arc and 4 point goal - NO!" Yes I forgot about the 2 points and the 4 point goal. It's a no for me also eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1957 - 16/10/2024 16:26:30 2575334 Link
Replying To eoinog: "Yes I forgot about the 2 points and the 4 point goal. It's a no for me also" I agree. I'd go for all the new rules, except for modifying the scoring system. CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 122 - 16/10/2024 17:35:45 2575347 Link
Replying To eoinog: "Yes I forgot about the 2 points and the 4 point goal. It's a no for me also" A lot of these proposals are going to be simply unworkable or enforceable at club level where a referee is on his own….. I like the idea of keeping the keeper closer to home but I agree that tampering with the scoring systems is just pure nonsense… The one fact that can be taken from this supposed expert review committee is that they have absolutely no regard for grassroots football played at club level… ! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 16/10/2024 17:47:33 2575353 Link
Replying To eoinog: "Yes I forgot about the 2 points and the 4 point goal. It's a no for me also" A lot of these proposals are going to be simply unworkable or enforceable at club level where a referee is on his own….. I like the idea of keeping the keeper closer to home but I agree that tampering with the scoring systems is just pure nonsense… The one fact that can be taken from this supposed expert review committee is that they have absolutely no regard for grassroots football played at club level… ! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 16/10/2024 17:50:04 2575357 Link
The Squads were names. Dublin are well represented with Cluxton, Ciaran kilkenny, James McCarthy, Eoin Murchan and Brian Howard. Rian O Neill, Aidan Forker are some of the Armagh players . Aidan O Shea and Enda Smith with Connacht. Clare have a few handy ballers like Eoin Cleary and Emmet McMahon involved. Tadgh Morley and Diarmuid O Connor some of the kerry players. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 16/10/2024 18:51:41 2575367 Link
Replying To eoinog: "I like (1) The new idea of the Throw in (2) Kickouts (3) Keeper unable to play the ball in his own half unless inside the 20 metre line and the player passing to him has to be in there also. (4) Tap and go for a free I don't like (1) the forward mark (2) The 3 players inside the 45 metre line is totally unworkable That's the bones of it I think" The revised forward mark is an improvement. There is a risk reward of launching in a long pass from outside the 45m to inside the 20m. The 3 up / 3 back rule has to come in. Currently there is a half empty field. Once 2 points is coming in for the long range over the bar scores, 4 points for a goal is understandable. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8284 - 16/10/2024 19:59:30 2575378 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The revised forward mark is an improvement. There is a risk reward of launching in a long pass from outside the 45m to inside the 20m. The 3 up / 3 back rule has to come in. Currently there is a half empty field. Once 2 points is coming in for the long range over the bar scores, 4 points for a goal is understandable." No need for tampering with the scoring system… that's just purely nonsensical… ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 16/10/2024 20:32:05 2575381 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "A lot of these proposals are going to be simply unworkable or enforceable at club level where a referee is on his own….. I like the idea of keeping the keeper closer to home but I agree that tampering with the scoring systems is just pure nonsense… The one fact that can be taken from this supposed expert review committee is that they have absolutely no regard for grassroots football played at club level… !" For once, I agree with you on something :) Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 16/10/2024 21:46:06 2575398 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The revised forward mark is an improvement. There is a risk reward of launching in a long pass from outside the 45m to inside the 20m. The 3 up / 3 back rule has to come in. Currently there is a half empty field. Once 2 points is coming in for the long range over the bar scores, 4 points for a goal is understandable." I can't see how they can monitor the 3 inside their own half eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1957 - 16/10/2024 22:07:20 2575402 Link
Extremely weak Munster team OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 717 - 16/10/2024 23:28:27 2575409 Link
Replying To eoinog: "I can't see how they can monitor the 3 inside their own half" Imagine being a referee in a junior club game with these rules…. mad stuff.. ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 17/10/2024 07:03:14 2575411 Link
Replying To OpenStand: "Extremely weak Munster team" Was thinking that. Ulster and Leinster look alot stronger Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 17/10/2024 08:03:57 2575415 Link
Replying To eoinog: "I can't see how they can monitor the 3 inside their own half" The linesmen monitor it. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 17/10/2024 09:29:59 2575426 Link