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I enjoyed the games this weekend. Some open games and fantastic long range scores. I feel the 2 points for a long range score is a fine idea and forces teams to push out rather than sitting deep. I would say all the teams had a bit of fun in dublin after the games and had a few drinks together to talk about the new rules
MonGaa123 (Monaghan) - Posts: 20 - 20/10/2024 09:03:19
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Replying To ballydalane: "I don't like the rule where a player can call a mark but play on, take a shot, but if the shot is saved it goes back to the original mark and he gets a free shot again. If you've played on and got a shot away that should be advantage over." A problem currently is that players take the mark and not going for goal. With the advantage rule, players can go for goal with the security of a point option. It is a reward for the risk of launching the ball in in the first place.
By in large the 1v1, 3v3 as long as it can be monitored, goalkeeper passing, solo & go and attacking mark changes can be adopted smoothly enough.
As mentioned yesterday, changing the scoring system seems too much too soon. The other rule changes should be tried out first before taking that drastic step, if needed further down the line.
While I do enjoy good fielding from kick outs, as long as kick outs go 13 metres, that should suffice.
Goalkeepers can help wind down the clock between the 45m and halfway. The only way to cut out that is to only allow goalkeepers receive a pass in the attacking 45m zone.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 20/10/2024 09:26:10
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Replying To sam2024: "Thoroughly enjoyed all of the games, there could be something in this. Ulster on top again - a great year for the province." You sound a bit confused this morning, you just posted on another thread that the game was fine as it is and people looking for change we're only idiots. Make your mind up.
tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 338 - 20/10/2024 10:17:35
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Replying To tireoghainabu: "You sound a bit confused this morning, you just posted on another thread that the game was fine as it is and people looking for change we're only idiots. Make your mind up." But sure that's the point it it not? To do trials so people can make up their minds.
I freely admit I thought it would be dreadful. There are still things I am dubious about and don't like the mark anyway. However, the games were open and fast and final in particular was great to watch. Would love to see a truly important game under the changes.
I think removing the mark would encourage even greater movement and picking out of lads at distance as was case for a few of the goals and when players took on defender rather than taking mark. Don't like the advantage rule.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3131 - 20/10/2024 11:32:14
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "But sure that's the point it it not? To do trials so people can make up their minds.
I freely admit I thought it would be dreadful. There are still things I am dubious about and don't like the mark anyway. However, the games were open and fast and final in particular was great to watch. Would love to see a truly important game under the changes.
I think removing the mark would encourage even greater movement and picking out of lads at distance as was case for a few of the goals and when players took on defender rather than taking mark. Don't like the advantage rule." Exactly.
sam2024 (Armagh) - Posts: 38 - 20/10/2024 12:19:25
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Replying To tireoghainabu: "You sound a bit confused this morning, you just posted on another thread that the game was fine as it is and people looking for change we're only idiots. Make your mind up." See BarneyGrants post. You could be one of those I was talking about. Other sports are available.
sam2024 (Armagh) - Posts: 38 - 20/10/2024 12:21:18
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Replying To tireoghainabu: "You sound a bit confused this morning, you just posted on another thread that the game was fine as it is and people looking for change we're only idiots. Make your mind up." ...and I was referring to the rebirth of the provincial competition.
sam2024 (Armagh) - Posts: 38 - 20/10/2024 12:26:17
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "But sure that's the point it it not? To do trials so people can make up their minds.
I freely admit I thought it would be dreadful. There are still things I am dubious about and don't like the mark anyway. However, the games were open and fast and final in particular was great to watch. Would love to see a truly important game under the changes.
I think removing the mark would encourage even greater movement and picking out of lads at distance as was case for a few of the goals and when players took on defender rather than taking mark. Don't like the advantage rule." I'd definitely keep 1v 1 thrown in 3 up at all time keep kickouts outside 45 not sure
Bring ball up 50 meters no John Maher punish match yesterday just imagine than an all Ireland harsh
Scoring Arc and 4, for goal no some weaker counties get. Hammering in championship I genuinely think if they got rid of mark completely it would help game big tome with new rules also not sure if u give a player 10 second advantage and they don't score they then get free if u can't score in them 10 seconds I'n my opinion that's ur advantage gone , I feel if they brining in 2 many rules it will destroy club matches they become a farce
Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 953 - 20/10/2024 12:33:17
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I enjoyed the matches over the weekend. If the gaa won't allow for a gradual introduction over a few years to see what works then I'd bring the whole lot in.
Some changes are that a 45 should definitely not be worth 2 points. I debate whether you should be allowed score from a 45 and now you reward it as a double score. Kerry will be playing for deflections with sean o'se in tow. I'm don't think any free should be worth 2 points. I'm sure there are other smaller things as well.
They can add break points after the national league to more critical assess what is and isn't working before championship. I actually wouldn't mind it not being applied to club until they've settled on thd changes. So have the national league as a trial. There is also a concern that some won't work for club so sandbox club matches in parallel to the league with one ref and see how it works. I think ulster has a kind of ulster league for clubs and use it to see. (Or equivalent competitions in other provinces)
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 780 - 20/10/2024 12:36:24
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "But sure that's the point it it not? To do trials so people can make up their minds.
I freely admit I thought it would be dreadful. There are still things I am dubious about and don't like the mark anyway. However, the games were open and fast and final in particular was great to watch. Would love to see a truly important game under the changes.
I think removing the mark would encourage even greater movement and picking out of lads at distance as was case for a few of the goals and when players took on defender rather than taking mark. Don't like the advantage rule." The whole point of the new attacking mark is that players will take on defenders and go for goal. The advantage rule is fair for the risk of playing in the ball in the first place.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 20/10/2024 12:36:56
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Four issues contribute to the keep-ball epidemic in football:
1. Wide acceptance of throwing the ball instead of handpassing, especially under pressure
2. Goalkeepers adding the extra player to make it impossible to turn the ball over
3. Failure to penalise players for steps anywhere near the scoring area, both for players attacking and coming out with the ball.
4. Most importantly, inadequate definition of the tackle and what contact is allowed.
The FRC have either ignored or stopped short of addressing all of these. The result may be even less of a contest for possession, and erosion of any capacity for weaker panels to remain competitive within games.
The 'new' product will be a sanitized fitness contest of high uncontested scorelines. It will suit big suburban panels but not the blood-and-guts teams that the game is built on. Are the FRC setting out to keep the newly emerging 'GAA soccer mom' demographic happy??
We will be bored in a whole different style.
Give us changes that create a CONTEST for the ball
Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1121 - 20/10/2024 13:10:50
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Replying To sam2024: "...and I was referring to the rebirth of the provincial competition." Agreed the return of the provincial competition is a breath of fresh air. Great to see how different players from various counties can mix and play together. It's a pity they didn't get a bigger crowd for games. Stephen cluxton had a good game in goals will he play for the dubs next year?
MonGaa123 (Monaghan) - Posts: 20 - 20/10/2024 13:21:02
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Last nights match was definitely an improvement on what we have usually seen in recent years, I'd be positive after seeing it.
The new rules yesterday damaged teams ability to put a blanket in place which was good.
I did think there would be more kicking in the game but maybe that will come in time.
In yesterday's game there was more space for players to play. The only negative I see is we could see more teams taking huge beatings.
Maybe if we redefine the tackle a bit to allow a bit more leeway to tacklers we could combat this issues
By the way, I never really watched the inter pros in the past, in previous years (under the current rules) did they tend to be open matches?
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1401 - 20/10/2024 13:40:24
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Replying To sam2024: "See BarneyGrants post. You could be one of those I was talking about. Other sports are available." Glad you have seen the light, better late than never.
tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 338 - 20/10/2024 13:45:02
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Great to see the inter provincials back, great to see players from all the counties in the province playing together for Ulster, I think there is great potential for these games round this time of year.
On the new rules themselves I really like the new proposed changes and the 50 mt rule will cut out a lot of dissent and messing that goes on, once fellas get used to being penalised it will work.
Getting these rules to work at club level won't be easy though.
4 points for a goal is too severe, other than that I think it's a massive improvement and has serious potential to rejuvenate Gaelic football.
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Some thoughts on the weekend's games:
While I would absolutely agree that some kind of changes are needed in order to make football a more watchable game, I feel that basing opinions and decisions on 4 let's be honest "nothing" games over the weekend. Games in Croke Park on the best, fastest surface in the country with some of the best players, fitter-than-average referees, as well as 6/7 other officials to keep an eye on things who were also mic'd up to the referee with earpieces are not the basis on which we should judge these new rules. We all know 99% of GAA games up and down the country every year are not played under these "false" conditions, and there is a massive danger that we are being blinded by these facts in our judgements of these rules at the weekend. Yes there was some enjoyable play throughout the weekend, but if you had asked the top players in the country to go out and play what was essentially a challenge game, throw the shackles off and just enjoy the runaround, then of course it was always going to lead to more open, high-scoring fare. While some rules are welcome and easy to implement, e.g. 1 v 1 throw-in, other are just simply unenforceable at club level. Keeping 3 up top at all times, simply a load of rubbish and not thought out at all!! How is a club referee going to police this on his own at a club match down the country on a wet Friday evening under lights somewhere?!! Beggars belief. A poorly marked "arc" marked by your local club groundsman..again I can see decisions on this causing war!! Just won't work and I can see these rules just leading to frustration and confusion for referees, players and supporters alike. These people on these committees coming up with these rules seem to forget that the game exists outside of the inter-county game in Croke Park with 7 or 8 officials to enforce them. Anyway..rant over!!
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Replying To TopoftheD: "Some thoughts on the weekend's games:
While I would absolutely agree that some kind of changes are needed in order to make football a more watchable game, I feel that basing opinions and decisions on 4 let's be honest "nothing" games over the weekend. Games in Croke Park on the best, fastest surface in the country with some of the best players, fitter-than-average referees, as well as 6/7 other officials to keep an eye on things who were also mic'd up to the referee with earpieces are not the basis on which we should judge these new rules. We all know 99% of GAA games up and down the country every year are not played under these "false" conditions, and there is a massive danger that we are being blinded by these facts in our judgements of these rules at the weekend. Yes there was some enjoyable play throughout the weekend, but if you had asked the top players in the country to go out and play what was essentially a challenge game, throw the shackles off and just enjoy the runaround, then of course it was always going to lead to more open, high-scoring fare. While some rules are welcome and easy to implement, e.g. 1 v 1 throw-in, other are just simply unenforceable at club level. Keeping 3 up top at all times, simply a load of rubbish and not thought out at all!! How is a club referee going to police this on his own at a club match down the country on a wet Friday evening under lights somewhere?!! Beggars belief. A poorly marked "arc" marked by your local club groundsman..again I can see decisions on this causing war!! Just won't work and I can see these rules just leading to frustration and confusion for referees, players and supporters alike. These people on these committees coming up with these rules seem to forget that the game exists outside of the inter-county game in Croke Park with 7 or 8 officials to enforce them. Anyway..rant over!!" Half time in the Louth county final and only 2 scores so far. Would not happen under the new rules.
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I would have thought what most people wanted was for football to be played like it was in the 80s and 90s Dubs V Meath trilogy etc. What was on display over the weekend was further from that than some of the games this season. While the AI final was shocking stuff Dub v Mayo and Galway and Derry V Mayo were great games. The new rules do not address the 2nd most negative aspect which is the swarm tackle which is destroying the game. Requiring 3 players to remain in opposing half has not done enough to curb ultra defensive play.
giveitlong (Galway) - Posts: 1258 - 20/10/2024 21:12:33
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Replying To Eddie the Exile: "How do you know?" Less players in defending 45m. The option to play the ball up to the front three on turnovers. Players pushing out to block 2 pointers but space opening up inside.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 20/10/2024 21:20:15
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