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An Interprovincial competition will take place this October as part of the Jim Gavin-chaired Football Review Committee's rule trials.
The competition, which is set to be played in Croke Park, will feature intercounty players eliminated from their club championships. The games will be open to the public and it is also hoped that the weekend tournament will be broadcast. It comes as the FRC continue to run 'Sandbox games' across the country.
Originally, players from counties who were no longer in contention in the 2024 championship were invited to participate in matches trialling proposals. However, recently the games have involved club sides, with Cusack Park hosting Éire Óg vs Clondegad this weekend.
The suggestions being trialled were unveiled earlier this year. They include four-points for a goal, a two-point arc, 1v1 for all throw-ins and a 'solo and go' from frees, where the fouled player can play on. The committee are also looking at keeping three players from both sides inside a set line at all times.
All of the proposals will be narrowed down with a shortlist used for the interprovincial matches. It's seven years since the last Railway Cups were played in December in hurling and football.
A staple event in Croke Park from the 1920s-1970s, the finals were held on St Patrick's Day slot for several years. The competition did not take place three times in the seven seasons before it was discontinued after issues with attendances and finding a slot in the calendar.
The FRC will draft a report for Ard Chomhairle in November with a Special Congress set for December. The trial of rule enhancements will then be in place for all 2025 competitions, including the national league and championship.
There would be a mid-season 2025 review before the formal end of the trial with the completion of the 2025 championships. It is envisaged the full adoption of new rules for Gaelic football will be in place from January 1, 2026.
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FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 20/07/2024 18:42:41
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Replying To FoolsGold: "An Interprovincial competition will take place this October as part of the Jim Gavin-chaired Football Review Committee's rule trials.
The competition, which is set to be played in Croke Park, will feature intercounty players eliminated from their club championships. The games will be open to the public and it is also hoped that the weekend tournament will be broadcast. It comes as the FRC continue to run 'Sandbox games' across the country.
Originally, players from counties who were no longer in contention in the 2024 championship were invited to participate in matches trialling proposals. However, recently the games have involved club sides, with Cusack Park hosting Éire Óg vs Clondegad this weekend.
The suggestions being trialled were unveiled earlier this year. They include four-points for a goal, a two-point arc, 1v1 for all throw-ins and a 'solo and go' from frees, where the fouled player can play on. The committee are also looking at keeping three players from both sides inside a set line at all times.
All of the proposals will be narrowed down with a shortlist used for the interprovincial matches. It's seven years since the last Railway Cups were played in December in hurling and football.
A staple event in Croke Park from the 1920s-1970s, the finals were held on St Patrick's Day slot for several years. The competition did not take place three times in the seven seasons before it was discontinued after issues with attendances and finding a slot in the calendar.
The FRC will draft a report for Ard Chomhairle in November with a Special Congress set for December. The trial of rule enhancements will then be in place for all 2025 competitions, including the national league and championship.
There would be a mid-season 2025 review before the formal end of the trial with the completion of the 2025 championships. It is envisaged the full adoption of new rules for Gaelic football will be in place from January 1, 2026.
https://t.co/DDqOf9S53U" Ahh the old sand box games…. did you ever hear such nonsense… Why are they not called trial games, or maybe you need a bucket and spade to take part…?
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I said that some form of Railway Cup final could be an ideal curtain raiser to the main event yesterday. Club games might impact it in some counties admittedly.
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I said that some form of Railway Cup final could be an ideal curtain raiser to the main event yesterday. Club games might impact it in some counties admittedly." Rubbish. A meaningless "sandbox" game before the biggest hurling game of the year? Has to be the minor final, saving that, the Joe McD final
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 565 - 22/07/2024 11:10:39
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Replying To ExiledInWex: "I said that some form of Railway Cup final could be an ideal curtain raiser to the main event yesterday. Club games might impact it in some counties admittedly." I'm old enough to remember when the old Railway Cup meant something to every player in the land. It was an honour to be selected on it - even as a sub. I think the All Star Awards were the death knell for it. I remember with neighbours, heading to the only house with a tv to watch them. I think that unless it is restored to its former glory, ie, the best players in each province making themselves available for selection, the proposed format will just end up another Mickey Mouse venture and fall flat.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1266 - 22/07/2024 14:58:58
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Any word on panels? It's players who exited the club championships involved. The games are televised . It well be interesting to see the new rules in action
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 05/10/2024 12:20:14
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Replying To FoolsGold: "Any word on panels? It's players who exited the club championships involved. The games are televised . It well be interesting to see the new rules in action" It will be alright.
But.... we'll be looking at elite players in the best Stadium playing tournament games.
How will they go in a Junior B group game in a field with only the Ref as a neutral official?
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1952 - 05/10/2024 15:05:36
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Replying To Freethinker: "I'm old enough to remember when the old Railway Cup meant something to every player in the land. It was an honour to be selected on it - even as a sub. I think the All Star Awards were the death knell for it. I remember with neighbours, heading to the only house with a tv to watch them. I think that unless it is restored to its former glory, ie, the best players in each province making themselves available for selection, the proposed format will just end up another Mickey Mouse venture and fall flat." The growth of the club championships was the real end of it. Club means far more to players and supporters naturally. When the Railway Cup was at its peak, there were very few games. People didn't see half as much football or hurling.
There just isn't room for it in the current calendar, and realistically it doesn't appeal as much to players or fans. You can't force an interest in something. Club and county will always mean more.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 06/10/2024 00:35:11
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Replying To WanPintWin: "The growth of the club championships was the real end of it. Club means far more to players and supporters naturally. When the Railway Cup was at its peak, there were very few games. People didn't see half as much football or hurling.
There just isn't room for it in the current calendar, and realistically it doesn't appeal as much to players or fans. You can't force an interest in something. Club and county will always mean more." It's been nothing more than a tournament during its latter years.
Might work as some sort of Autumn Social thingy on the October Bank Holiday weekend...games Friday and Saturday, All Stars bash and Provincial football draws on the Sunday.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1952 - 06/10/2024 11:43:48
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "It will be alright.
But.... we'll be looking at elite players in the best Stadium playing tournament games.
How will they go in a Junior B group game in a field with only the Ref as a neutral official?" Tricky for sure. Gaa brings in a lot of rules which is hard for a normal referee
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 07/10/2024 18:44:41
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Cork manager John Cleary has confirmed that managers and coaches from every Munster county will be involved on his ticket ahead of the Football Review Committee (FRC) interprovincial tournament in Croke Park later this month.
Cleary takes charge of the province while Galway's Pádraic Joyce is over Connacht. Fermanagh manager Kieran Donnelly is Ulster manager and Leinster's is Dessie Dolan.
Speaking on the Irish Examiner Gaelic football podcast, Cleary said they will train together this week ahead of the televised games on October 19 and 20.
"How it came about is that Jack O'Connor is Kerry manager and they won the provincial, but he was unavailable. Jim asked me then to do it. I have Jimmy Lee, Paul Shankey, Philly Ryan and Cian O'Neill on board. Colm Collins is filling in at the moment for (managerless) Clare.
"We meet late tonight and we'll send an email to see who is available from each county because there is a lot of people still involved in the club championship. You have to have two from each county at least, that is probably the first 12 places gone on the panel."
He continued: "The rules will be explained to us on Saturday morning and then maybe an hour on the pitch to go through it. You maybe won't have all the players, there is a lot of games next weekend and there could be players who we want to bring the following weekend who are available."
The finalised rules will be confirmed this week.
Speaking on the podcast, former Mayo manager and FRC member James Horan explained that the 'three up' rule has been modified. A halfway line will be used instead of the 65m line with a new pitch marking proposed.
He also suggested the proposal to replace penalties with an overtime showdown will not go ahead.
"I'm not sure that will be going forward. We have a seventh sandbox game on Saturday, Cavan played Kildare in a cracking game. We'd a number of experienced intercounty players on both sides, obviously new guys too. The questioning they do and their level of understanding is top notch. Really smart players pick it up quickly," said Horan.
"The overtime showdown, it is something we tried. Some will make it through and some won't. We will have a final review of this. It wasn't breeze related but that is a valid concern, it was tired players, decision making and skill execution is down. So, there is too much variable in time. It went on for seven or eight minutes before the first shot. With that amount of variability and whatever, we have to take it aside and tease through it. I'd say that is under serious discussion."
"I was talking to James Burke the coach and Daniel Flynn from Kildare as well, firstly the main thing is they really enjoyed the game. Daniel Flynn was playing at six actually. Imagine his power and pace coming onto the ball. It was interesting already managers are trying lads in different positions.
"Because kickouts have to go outside the 40-metre arch and the three-up, pressing kickouts is a whole different level. It is a longer kickout even if you have to go short and they have to keep three up so kickouts are more contested.
"Cavan kept two players at times behind the (Kildare) goalkeeper taking the kickout which you can do. Then four pressed six taking a chance. So if they won it, they could bomb it into the two guys. There was all this brilliant stuff, fellas thinking through it and trying to find an advantage.
Teams that embrace them and really explore them for their benefit could really get a jump."
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 08/10/2024 09:06:02
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Replying To FoolsGold: "Tricky for sure. Gaa brings in a lot of rules which is hard for a normal referee" Are the 7 core rules changes that complicated?
1. 1v1 throw-in to start the game
2. 40 metre scoring arc and new scoring system
3. Kick-outs from the 20 having to go beyond the 40 arc.
4. 'Solo and Go'
5. Advanced mark changes for kicks outside the 45 fielded inside the 20, and an advantage being allowed which should create goal opportunities.
6. Limits on passing to the goalkeeper. Player and keeper must both be on the large rectangle, or the keeper has advanced beyond the 65 yard line.
7. 3/3 Up/Back. Supposedly this might change to a new halfway line. By that extension, possibly the passing to the keeper in point 6 might also apply when the keeper advances beyond halfway.
1, 2, 3 and 4 seem very straightforward. 5 seems an improvement on the current advance mark and should be a smooth change.
6. New but should be very manageable.
7. Again a new one. A bit tricky for one official but the feedback is that it is generally self policed. Players won't be long drawing refs attention to players straying out of bounds.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8284 - 08/10/2024 19:29:23
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "It will be alright.
But.... we'll be looking at elite players in the best Stadium playing tournament games.
How will they go in a Junior B group game in a field with only the Ref as a neutral official?" These geniuses would never think of something like that….junior B doesn't exist in their world… only County…!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 08/10/2024 22:00:22
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Replying To WanPintWin: "The growth of the club championships was the real end of it. Club means far more to players and supporters naturally. When the Railway Cup was at its peak, there were very few games. People didn't see half as much football or hurling.
There just isn't room for it in the current calendar, and realistically it doesn't appeal as much to players or fans. You can't force an interest in something. Club and county will always mean more." Representing your province should be a very special thing for a footballer even more so than representing your county or country in the old compromise rules. Particularly if you are an Ulsterman as our province is unique to the other three. I am not a footballer but if I was it would mean a lot to wear the yellow jersey of Ulster even more so than wearing the red of Derry.
PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 246 - 09/10/2024 00:50:43
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Replying To PattyONeill: "Representing your province should be a very special thing for a footballer even more so than representing your county or country in the old compromise rules. Particularly if you are an Ulsterman as our province is unique to the other three. I am not a footballer but if I was it would mean a lot to wear the yellow jersey of Ulster even more so than wearing the red of Derry." Have to say it was a huge thing for Wexford hurlers in the difficult years. It was a huge honour for a couple of Wexford lads to keep Kilkenny hurlers out of the team when they were winning everything.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3143 - 09/10/2024 08:59:23
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Replying To legendzxix: "Are the 7 core rules changes that complicated?
1. 1v1 throw-in to start the game
2. 40 metre scoring arc and new scoring system
3. Kick-outs from the 20 having to go beyond the 40 arc.
4. 'Solo and Go'
5. Advanced mark changes for kicks outside the 45 fielded inside the 20, and an advantage being allowed which should create goal opportunities.
6. Limits on passing to the goalkeeper. Player and keeper must both be on the large rectangle, or the keeper has advanced beyond the 65 yard line.
7. 3/3 Up/Back. Supposedly this might change to a new halfway line. By that extension, possibly the passing to the keeper in point 6 might also apply when the keeper advances beyond halfway.
1, 2, 3 and 4 seem very straightforward. 5 seems an improvement on the current advance mark and should be a smooth change.
6. New but should be very manageable.
7. Again a new one. A bit tricky for one official but the feedback is that it is generally self policed. Players won't be long drawing refs attention to players straying out of bounds." Two points for outside 40m, a mark inside 20m if kicked from outside 40m.You are also within a 4point goal territory at 20m.It doesn't look that there will be much going on between the 40m arc and the 20m line.Will players be passing the ball back behind 40m for boys to have pot shots.My initial reaction is that most of the rules could be good but I would have reservations about the new scoring system and the retention of the mark.I have no doubt things could look good in these games but we will not know for sure until we see them in important games with managers having studied them and plotted how to work them.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1126 - 09/10/2024 15:32:51
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Replying To PattyONeill: "Representing your province should be a very special thing for a footballer even more so than representing your county or country in the old compromise rules. Particularly if you are an Ulsterman as our province is unique to the other three. I am not a footballer but if I was it would mean a lot to wear the yellow jersey of Ulster even more so than wearing the red of Derry." I'm sure it would.
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2095 - 09/10/2024 22:52:08
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Replying To legendzxix: "Are the 7 core rules changes that complicated?
1. 1v1 throw-in to start the game
2. 40 metre scoring arc and new scoring system
3. Kick-outs from the 20 having to go beyond the 40 arc.
4. 'Solo and Go'
5. Advanced mark changes for kicks outside the 45 fielded inside the 20, and an advantage being allowed which should create goal opportunities.
6. Limits on passing to the goalkeeper. Player and keeper must both be on the large rectangle, or the keeper has advanced beyond the 65 yard line.
7. 3/3 Up/Back. Supposedly this might change to a new halfway line. By that extension, possibly the passing to the keeper in point 6 might also apply when the keeper advances beyond halfway.
1, 2, 3 and 4 seem very straightforward. 5 seems an improvement on the current advance mark and should be a smooth change.
6. New but should be very manageable.
7. Again a new one. A bit tricky for one official but the feedback is that it is generally self policed. Players won't be long drawing refs attention to players straying out of bounds." In the videos posted on these new changes Jim Gavin comments on more than one occasion that the changes are necessary because the rulebook is not being applied, the initial throw up, dissent, tactical fouling etc. So we change the game because the officials don't apply the rulebook and these same referees are now going to police the new game! Bonkers stuff.
Dualstar22 (Galway) - Posts: 7 - 10/10/2024 09:16:44
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Replying To legendzxix: "Are the 7 core rules changes that complicated?
1. 1v1 throw-in to start the game
2. 40 metre scoring arc and new scoring system
3. Kick-outs from the 20 having to go beyond the 40 arc.
4. 'Solo and Go'
5. Advanced mark changes for kicks outside the 45 fielded inside the 20, and an advantage being allowed which should create goal opportunities.
6. Limits on passing to the goalkeeper. Player and keeper must both be on the large rectangle, or the keeper has advanced beyond the 65 yard line.
7. 3/3 Up/Back. Supposedly this might change to a new halfway line. By that extension, possibly the passing to the keeper in point 6 might also apply when the keeper advances beyond halfway.
1, 2, 3 and 4 seem very straightforward. 5 seems an improvement on the current advance mark and should be a smooth change.
6. New but should be very manageable.
7. Again a new one. A bit tricky for one official but the feedback is that it is generally self policed. Players won't be long drawing refs attention to players straying out of bounds." Passing back to the keeper needs to be gone it's good to see it being trialled. 3 up could be difficult for refs to control but an interesting rule.
Something not overly complicated is what is best. It will be interesting to see how the rules go over the weekend. TG4 showing the games on Friday. The final is on RTE Saturday and shield
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 10/10/2024 09:43:00
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Replying To Dualstar22: "In the videos posted on these new changes Jim Gavin comments on more than one occasion that the changes are necessary because the rulebook is not being applied, the initial throw up, dissent, tactical fouling etc. So we change the game because the officials don't apply the rulebook and these same referees are now going to police the new game! Bonkers stuff." That be my view.
I would also re-echo what Mickey Harte said a few years back. any move to make Gaelic football more like Aussie Rules can only damage it. This is another step following the mark.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 10/10/2024 09:58:46
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