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A bit biased here, but a good year for Offaly. If we can keep going the way we are going we wont be far off a senior Leinster win. I know Leinster gets a bad rap, and its a bit behind Munster at the minute.
What do people think?.
My take is that this is probably the worst Kilkenny bunch since the 80s. They dont seem to have much coming through and to be honest, counties find it easy to play against them. What on earth has gone wrong down there?. Drawing with Carlow?.
Offaly have had their ups and downs over the years but we have had good strategy over the past 2 years. Shane Lowry and Michael Duignan have helped enormously. From what I can gather and hear from a couple of work and college friends, Kilkenny are stuck in stone ages with Glanbia and county board by their side.
I cant wait to play Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin next year. I don't see any of them improving whereas I see us with momentum.
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Replying To Biffo21: "A bit biased here, but a good year for Offaly. If we can keep going the way we are going we wont be far off a senior Leinster win. I know Leinster gets a bad rap, and its a bit behind Munster at the minute.
What do people think?.
My take is that this is probably the worst Kilkenny bunch since the 80s. They dont seem to have much coming through and to be honest, counties find it easy to play against them. What on earth has gone wrong down there?. Drawing with Carlow?.
Offaly have had their ups and downs over the years but we have had good strategy over the past 2 years. Shane Lowry and Michael Duignan have helped enormously. From what I can gather and hear from a couple of work and college friends, Kilkenny are stuck in stone ages with Glanbia and county board by their side.
I cant wait to play Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin next year. I don't see any of them improving whereas I see us with momentum." I agree with most of your comment. I would be a bit wary of the Cats though. True, I think they have dropped off a little from their usual high standards at underage. Can that be down to funding ? in a stronghold like Kilkenny particularly with little or nothing to be spent on a football team ? would love to see Offaly getting back to Leinster winning standards again. Coming from a county with little or no history behind us, I have to say that I spent many a rewarding Sunday afternoon in Croke Park rooting for Offaly hurling and football teams. That was when you could just hop in the car and attend Croker almost at will.
Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1272 - 08/07/2024 15:02:52
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Replying To Biffo21: "A bit biased here, but a good year for Offaly. If we can keep going the way we are going we wont be far off a senior Leinster win. I know Leinster gets a bad rap, and its a bit behind Munster at the minute.
What do people think?.
My take is that this is probably the worst Kilkenny bunch since the 80s. They dont seem to have much coming through and to be honest, counties find it easy to play against them. What on earth has gone wrong down there?. Drawing with Carlow?.
Offaly have had their ups and downs over the years but we have had good strategy over the past 2 years. Shane Lowry and Michael Duignan have helped enormously. From what I can gather and hear from a couple of work and college friends, Kilkenny are stuck in stone ages with Glanbia and county board by their side.
I cant wait to play Kilkenny, Wexford and Dublin next year. I don't see any of them improving whereas I see us with momentum." Delighted to have ye back to be honest.
It's not a great Kilkenny team by their standards, but you don't get bad Kilkenny teams. They're still top 3/4 in the country, and the team to beat in Leinster.
It strikes me as odd that you haven't mentioned Galway.
I'd expect Keith Rossiter to have learned a lot. We handed Dublin a draw and lost to Kilkenny by the minimum. We also brought in quite a bit of New talent, but struggled with injuries. I expect us to be there or thereabouts next year.
Dublin all depends on who their manager is. They could get Davy which would make them very dangerous.
We should have a great championship in 25.
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Replying To Freethinker: "I agree with most of your comment. I would be a bit wary of the Cats though. True, I think they have dropped off a little from their usual high standards at underage. Can that be down to funding ? in a stronghold like Kilkenny particularly with little or nothing to be spent on a football team ? would love to see Offaly getting back to Leinster winning standards again. Coming from a county with little or no history behind us, I have to say that I spent many a rewarding Sunday afternoon in Croke Park rooting for Offaly hurling and football teams. That was when you could just hop in the car and attend Croker almost at will." Not sure funding should be an issue for them considering who their sponsors are but makes sense in one way as my work colleague thinks the sponsors are not worth their salt and often criticises lack of funding from glanbia. Those were the days for the Faithful
Biffo21 (Offaly) - Posts: 10 - 08/07/2024 15:37:41
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Delighted to have ye back to be honest.
It's not a great Kilkenny team by their standards, but you don't get bad Kilkenny teams. They're still top 3/4 in the country, and the team to beat in Leinster.
It strikes me as odd that you haven't mentioned Galway.
I'd expect Keith Rossiter to have learned a lot. We handed Dublin a draw and lost to Kilkenny by the minimum. We also brought in quite a bit of New talent, but struggled with injuries. I expect us to be there or thereabouts next year.
Dublin all depends on who their manager is. They could get Davy which would make them very dangerous.
We should have a great championship in 25." I think the game needs it. Sick of those Munster lads.
Haven't mentioned Galway as I dont know what to expect from them. We never feared them to be honest. New management might get them momentum in the league, but if it is put up to them, do they have it?.
Wexford were lucky and unlucky against Kilkenny. Harsh penalty call, well it wasn't a penalty, but felt kk should have had one in first half. They missed a good few chances before yee got yeer goal when they were 2/3 up but yee will beat them below in Wexford Park next year.
Kilkenny are not top 3/4 team in the country, Clare, Limerick, Cork and Tipp would beat them. Galway on their day would as well.
A good Waterford team on a run would beat them. I honestly don't think they offer anything other than hit the ball long. If Eoin Cody and your man Mullen are kept quiet they have no forwards once TJ retires. The wing forward donnelly was good against a poor Galway and against Dublin, poor against wexford and poor on Saturday, plus he cant run or tackle.
I was disappointed with Chin this year. What went on there?.
Biffo21 (Offaly) - Posts: 10 - 08/07/2024 15:46:04
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Replying To Biffo21: "I think the game needs it. Sick of those Munster lads.
Haven't mentioned Galway as I dont know what to expect from them. We never feared them to be honest. New management might get them momentum in the league, but if it is put up to them, do they have it?.
Wexford were lucky and unlucky against Kilkenny. Harsh penalty call, well it wasn't a penalty, but felt kk should have had one in first half. They missed a good few chances before yee got yeer goal when they were 2/3 up but yee will beat them below in Wexford Park next year.
Kilkenny are not top 3/4 team in the country, Clare, Limerick, Cork and Tipp would beat them. Galway on their day would as well.
A good Waterford team on a run would beat them. I honestly don't think they offer anything other than hit the ball long. If Eoin Cody and your man Mullen are kept quiet they have no forwards once TJ retires. The wing forward donnelly was good against a poor Galway and against Dublin, poor against wexford and poor on Saturday, plus he cant run or tackle.
I was disappointed with Chin this year. What went on there?." Doubt Tipperary would beat Kilkenny at the moment. Clare beat Kilkenny just by 2 points after Kilkenny had missed a lot of chances in the first half. Leinster hurling though is definitely weaker than Munster at the moment . Hopefully Galway and Wexford improve next year and Offaly have talented young players coming through.
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Replying To Biffo21: "I think the game needs it. Sick of those Munster lads.
Haven't mentioned Galway as I dont know what to expect from them. We never feared them to be honest. New management might get them momentum in the league, but if it is put up to them, do they have it?.
Wexford were lucky and unlucky against Kilkenny. Harsh penalty call, well it wasn't a penalty, but felt kk should have had one in first half. They missed a good few chances before yee got yeer goal when they were 2/3 up but yee will beat them below in Wexford Park next year.
Kilkenny are not top 3/4 team in the country, Clare, Limerick, Cork and Tipp would beat them. Galway on their day would as well.
A good Waterford team on a run would beat them. I honestly don't think they offer anything other than hit the ball long. If Eoin Cody and your man Mullen are kept quiet they have no forwards once TJ retires. The wing forward donnelly was good against a poor Galway and against Dublin, poor against wexford and poor on Saturday, plus he cant run or tackle.
I was disappointed with Chin this year. What went on there?." No reason to fear Galway, but ye didn't lay a glove on them for the last 15 years either.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3875 - 08/07/2024 16:22:47
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Replying To Biffo21: "I think the game needs it. Sick of those Munster lads.
Haven't mentioned Galway as I dont know what to expect from them. We never feared them to be honest. New management might get them momentum in the league, but if it is put up to them, do they have it?.
Wexford were lucky and unlucky against Kilkenny. Harsh penalty call, well it wasn't a penalty, but felt kk should have had one in first half. They missed a good few chances before yee got yeer goal when they were 2/3 up but yee will beat them below in Wexford Park next year.
Kilkenny are not top 3/4 team in the country, Clare, Limerick, Cork and Tipp would beat them. Galway on their day would as well.
A good Waterford team on a run would beat them. I honestly don't think they offer anything other than hit the ball long. If Eoin Cody and your man Mullen are kept quiet they have no forwards once TJ retires. The wing forward donnelly was good against a poor Galway and against Dublin, poor against wexford and poor on Saturday, plus he cant run or tackle.
I was disappointed with Chin this year. What went on there?." The incident in the 1st half of Kilkenny v Wexford definitely wasn't a penalty either as Gordon had his arm up for advantage for the foul, which occurred initially outside the 21.
Think Chin was carrying a knock that he picked up in the Carlow game. Not 100% sure but he hasn't played as well since that game, including for his club. He had to go off against Laois, and got put inside for most of the game against Clare.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 08/07/2024 16:24:12
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "No reason to fear Galway, but ye didn't lay a glove on them for the last 15 years either." Ah sure to be honest, we haven't being at any level in 20+ years. Dont get me wrong, all the teams could end up beating us by 10 plus next year at the same time.
Ok so Chin was injured, makes sense as to why he was in Full forward, I hope Leinster is a right battle next year.
Some strange decisions by gordon a few weeks ago.
Biffo21 (Offaly) - Posts: 10 - 08/07/2024 16:46:38
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Delighted to have ye back to be honest.
It's not a great Kilkenny team by their standards, but you don't get bad Kilkenny teams. They're still top 3/4 in the country, and the team to beat in Leinster.
It strikes me as odd that you haven't mentioned Galway.
I'd expect Keith Rossiter to have learned a lot. We handed Dublin a draw and lost to Kilkenny by the minimum. We also brought in quite a bit of New talent, but struggled with injuries. I expect us to be there or thereabouts next year.
Dublin all depends on who their manager is. They could get Davy which would make them very dangerous.
We should have a great championship in 25." Please not Davey.....
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Replying To Biffo21: "I think the game needs it. Sick of those Munster lads.
Haven't mentioned Galway as I dont know what to expect from them. We never feared them to be honest. New management might get them momentum in the league, but if it is put up to them, do they have it?.
Wexford were lucky and unlucky against Kilkenny. Harsh penalty call, well it wasn't a penalty, but felt kk should have had one in first half. They missed a good few chances before yee got yeer goal when they were 2/3 up but yee will beat them below in Wexford Park next year.
Kilkenny are not top 3/4 team in the country, Clare, Limerick, Cork and Tipp would beat them. Galway on their day would as well.
A good Waterford team on a run would beat them. I honestly don't think they offer anything other than hit the ball long. If Eoin Cody and your man Mullen are kept quiet they have no forwards once TJ retires. The wing forward donnelly was good against a poor Galway and against Dublin, poor against wexford and poor on Saturday, plus he cant run or tackle.
I was disappointed with Chin this year. What went on there?." I doubt very much that Tipp would beat Kilkenny at the minute, and Clare have only beaten them twice in their history in championship.
Chin was in hurler of the year form up until the Kilkenny game then just seemed to lose his form altogether.
I'm delighted with the run of form we've had against Kilkenny but they've still done 5 in a row in Leinster and were in the last two all Ireland finals. Write them off at your peril.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3151 - 08/07/2024 21:02:15
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Replying To arock: "Please not Davey....." You sure? You'd almost certainly win a Leinster in a 3 year term. Love him or hate him he brings success.
Clare's entire hurling history revolves around Davy. That could change in a few weeks in fairness.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3151 - 08/07/2024 21:05:02
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Replying To arock: "Please not Davey....." Cody or Henry will be KK manager next year ,
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Replying To Doylerwex: "I doubt very much that Tipp would beat Kilkenny at the minute, and Clare have only beaten them twice in their history in championship.
Chin was in hurler of the year form up until the Kilkenny game then just seemed to lose his form altogether.
I'm delighted with the run of form we've had against Kilkenny but they've still done 5 in a row in Leinster and were in the last two all Ireland finals. Write them off at your peril." I dont know. Tipp never feared KK (apart 2009-14- still bet them in AIF in 10)
Especially after that minor final couple of weeks back. Seems to be the shine and fear is gone from KK and that they are only going to get worse over the next few years.
As bad as they have been, you are right, still done 5 in a row in Leinster. Wexford never pushed on after 19 and as for Galway, sure they are so disappointing.
Dublin just dont have it. Interesting to see what way Galway go next year under new management.
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Replying To Newyorkkat: "Cody or Henry will be KK manager next year ," Not sure how Kilkenny people feel about Henry coming in after a poor spell in Galway.
Biffo21 (Offaly) - Posts: 10 - 09/07/2024 08:39:15
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Replying To Newyorkkat: "Cody or Henry will be KK manager next year ," Doubt it. Lyng is managing a bit of a transition right now. Cody won't come back, and why on earth would you want Henry right now? Henry could do with taking your minors or u20s first, get some more intercounty experience and for him hopefully success. He has trust issues to overcome with your Board also, which a bit of underage success might help him with.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 09/07/2024 08:59:59
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Replying To Biffo21: "I dont know. Tipp never feared KK (apart 2009-14- still bet them in AIF in 10)
Especially after that minor final couple of weeks back. Seems to be the shine and fear is gone from KK and that they are only going to get worse over the next few years.
As bad as they have been, you are right, still done 5 in a row in Leinster. Wexford never pushed on after 19 and as for Galway, sure they are so disappointing.
Dublin just dont have it. Interesting to see what way Galway go next year under new management." Big problem for Galway is their development of players from minor through u20 to Senior seems to be a little off. Not sure a change of Senior manager by itself is going to change that.
Tipp will definitely come again, but right now if they played Kilkenny 10 times I feel the stripey lads would win 7 or 8 of the games.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 09/07/2024 09:04:00
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Replying To Biffo21: "I dont know. Tipp never feared KK (apart 2009-14- still bet them in AIF in 10)
Especially after that minor final couple of weeks back. Seems to be the shine and fear is gone from KK and that they are only going to get worse over the next few years.
As bad as they have been, you are right, still done 5 in a row in Leinster. Wexford never pushed on after 19 and as for Galway, sure they are so disappointing.
Dublin just dont have it. Interesting to see what way Galway go next year under new management." Stay in Division One and avoid going back to McDonagh and let the rest of us worry about whether we "have it" or not.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3131 - 09/07/2024 09:15:33
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Replying To arock: "Please not Davey....." Why do so many people have a problem with Davy managing their county?
He has a good track record of success.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 09/07/2024 10:11:26
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A lot will depend on retirements on all teams. Kk had chances and should have been out of sight by half time write them off at pearl. Dublin lucky to get to Leinster final and if possible and had belief could have beaten cork. Wexford should have beaten Dublin should let Antrim into the game but should have won Kilkenny was one we left behind with some dodgy decisions. We're in the game until the dubious red against Clare. Galway new local management and maybe a few young lads coming through could be a threat and Offaly might need a couple of years especially with s and c could come back to force.
As I said retirement could be huge tj Wally fogerty could go fanning o Hanlon o keeffee Liam og could go in wex sutcliffe in dublin Burkes macinerney in Galway maybe more and who knows who goes travelling
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