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Following on from my last message, maybe top 3 from each group into quarters (6 teams) and then 4th and 5th play in a preliminary quarter final. Bottom to relegation, still a bit of incentive but makes sure bottom team goes to relegation. Negatives, only gives one extra game to four teams instead of 8 but bottom team team into relegation.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 441 - 08/11/2024 09:13:16    2578890

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Following on from my last message, maybe top 3 from each group into quarters (6 teams) and then 4th and 5th play in a preliminary quarter final. Bottom to relegation, still a bit of incentive but makes sure bottom team goes to relegation. Negatives, only gives one extra game to four teams instead of 8 but bottom team team into relegation."
I'd just to back to the way it was. Am not convinced that a system to work in an extra round to give an extra game to some or most clubs will ever make a huge difference, when you consider that every Wexford club was already guaranteed at least five championship games anyway. Am unaware of any other county that guarantees any more than this.

In particular, wouldn't like your suggestion of needing an extra week for the sake of just two matches and just four clubs. Without it, there'd be the possibility of another 'rest week' for all, or greater leeway in getting things finished earlier if we had to do so for Leinster.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2589 - 08/11/2024 10:44:32    2578903

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I was in favour of that extra preliminary Q/F and the new format but based on this years championship I don't think it has worked. 100% agree that if you finish last in your group then you should be in a relegation final. I do think that if the split season was re-introduced then the format may have worked better - but this season seems to drag on with a lot poor games. Personally I think it has been a pretty dour championship more noted for refereeing issues than the hurling.

I think we need to stop constantly changing format of the League and Championship and start concentrating on quality of the games .. All the emphasis seems to be on that instead of asking the question why is our quality poor and why are so few of our teams not able to compete outside of the county.

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 153 - 08/11/2024 10:58:36    2578907

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Replying To MyOhMi:  "I was in favour of that extra preliminary Q/F and the new format but based on this years championship I don't think it has worked. 100% agree that if you finish last in your group then you should be in a relegation final. I do think that if the split season was re-introduced then the format may have worked better - but this season seems to drag on with a lot poor games. Personally I think it has been a pretty dour championship more noted for refereeing issues than the hurling.

I think we need to stop constantly changing format of the League and Championship and start concentrating on quality of the games .. All the emphasis seems to be on that instead of asking the question why is our quality poor and why are so few of our teams not able to compete outside of the county."
I agree with all you say apart from how you claim "constantly" changing format of the League and Championship.

This year's change to the hurling championship was the first since 2012.

For the league, the change two years ago to bring a new system for promotion & relegation was the first significant change there since 2012 either. Only other changes along the way were how some years there'd be semi-finals, and some years not, but the basic format had stayed the same - i.e. you played the six teams from the other group in your championship grade.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2589 - 08/11/2024 11:41:12    2578916

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A P.S. to the above - meant to say that this year's change was the first since 2012 apart from the changes that were necessary during the couple of "Covid championships".

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2589 - 08/11/2024 12:29:36    2578926

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I'd just to back to the way it was. Am not convinced that a system to work in an extra round to give an extra game to some or most clubs will ever make a huge difference, when you consider that every Wexford club was already guaranteed at least five championship games anyway. Am unaware of any other county that guarantees any more than this.

In particular, wouldn't like your suggestion of needing an extra week for the sake of just two matches and just four clubs. Without it, there'd be the possibility of another 'rest week' for all, or greater leeway in getting things finished earlier if we had to do so for Leinster."
We put in a motion to return to what we had the last couple of years.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13702 - 08/11/2024 13:48:39    2578937

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Replying To Viking66:  "We put in a motion to return to what we had the last couple of years."
I'm glad to hear somebody's doing so. Will be suggesting the same in my own club.

You realise however that'll be a motion for the January meeting on competition regulations, rather than a motion for Convention in early December? If you mean you've put it in for that, it won't be taken there, and you'll have to put it in again for January.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2589 - 08/11/2024 14:16:45    2578941

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I'm glad to hear somebody's doing so. Will be suggesting the same in my own club.

You realise however that'll be a motion for the January meeting on competition regulations, rather than a motion for Convention in early December? If you mean you've put it in for that, it won't be taken there, and you'll have to put it in again for January."
You got in ahead of me. Motions for championship not till later.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 441 - 08/11/2024 14:53:10    2578947

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "I'm glad to hear somebody's doing so. Will be suggesting the same in my own club.

You realise however that'll be a motion for the January meeting on competition regulations, rather than a motion for Convention in early December? If you mean you've put it in for that, it won't be taken there, and you'll have to put it in again for January."
We knew it wouldn't be discussed til our January meeting. What we did last year at Convention was defer the motions to be discussed on format/structure until January. We were worried that if we didn't get the motion in in time for Convention then it wouldn't be discussed in January. So we sent it in just in case.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13702 - 08/11/2024 16:12:13    2578965

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Replying To Viking66:  "We knew it wouldn't be discussed til our January meeting. What we did last year at Convention was defer the motions to be discussed on format/structure until January. We were worried that if we didn't get the motion in in time for Convention then it wouldn't be discussed in January. So we sent it in just in case."
I thought that the decisions on championship happen in November and then at the AGM they decide on elections of officers etc. has it moved to January?

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 08/11/2024 22:07:03    2578998

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "I thought that the decisions on championship happen in November and then at the AGM they decide on elections of officers etc. has it moved to January?"
Was January this year anyway.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13702 - 09/11/2024 12:12:24    2579023

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "I thought that the decisions on championship happen in November and then at the AGM they decide on elections of officers etc. has it moved to January?"
Used to happen in November all right.

Then last year, it was decided to put it back to January. This was because the dates for this year's Leinster Club Championships wouldn't become known until sometime in December, and so Wexford wouldn't know until then whether or not Leinster would agree to push the start of their championships back by a week or two to allow more times for county championships to be finished.

With Wexford already under pressure to fit in what was 16 and what became 17 rounds between hurling & football, it was decided to wait until the Leinster dates were known before making decisions about our own championships, and therefore those decisions were put back to January.

This time round, clubs were given a choice between going back to doing it in November, or again putting it back to January. They chose the January option.

For what it's worth, Viking's club needn't have worried about getting their motion in for Convention anyway. There'll be a different date set for sometime in late December or early January for motions for that January meeting, and so long as it was in by then, it'd be taken at that meeting anyway.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2589 - 09/11/2024 12:26:13    2579024

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Real game of 2 halves in the Intermediate final. Jimmies will be rueing a slow start, and some poor wides at the start of the 2nd half. And a good point disallowed. Overall Rathnure just about deserved to win. They will need to unearth some backs if they aren't to struggle back up at Senior next year.
Of the lads on the fringes of the Senior county squad Rory Higgins was the standout, Jack Redmond did well but could do with working on his speed, while the recent u20s Eamon Wickham and Colum Fitzgerald both hurled well. Shame that Shane Lawlor and AJ won't commit. And that Shane Murphy lives most of the year in NZ!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13702 - 10/11/2024 17:03:34    2579113

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