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Replying To Pikeman96: "Yeah, Castletown are another example of how a championship at a younger age group can be held up by some of the players lining out at an older level.
Just to be clear I'm not blaming either themselves or Rathnure for the situation! Am just pointing out that's the way it is.
Their football semi-final v Shels is fixed for 22nd December, and yes, the final v Duffry Rovers is currently fixed for 28th December. But I believe the Duffry are looking for a postponement as they have some sort of other event that day, so the final is likely to go into January all right.
Either way, it all goes back to what I said at the start about the U21 grade being problematic. These are basically straight knock-out championships that only take four rounds of matches in hurling and four in football, and even still, it's a struggle to get them played in the calendar year." It's a tough one ok. It's an important grade for player retention though.
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Replying To Viking66: "It's a tough one ok. It's an important grade for player retention though." Its an age group where everyone puts winning before player retention. Nobody will play during the Adult championship without the lads who play adult which means the players who don't give up soon enough. If clubs cannot field teams without their adult players then let them combine with others. Something more radical is needed to fix the problem but I am not sure there is any appetite as the nobody seems interested in it.
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Replying To tearintom: "It goes back to the same issue, too many games at adult level and bizarrely we had a situation where clubs voted for even more games this year than before which turned out to be a disaster emphasising the point I've been making for a long time that more games doesn't necessarily mean better.
It's very simple, if clubs want the u21 grade to be treated better (which it should imho as thr drop off from minor to adult is crippling clubs) and others want weekends off to attend a drinking session in Laois then the trade off is less games in championships, not pipe dreams of multiple domes to play games and jiggling of calendars or ignoring central gaa rules.
To be honest the more I look at it less games that actually mean more is the way to go." Spot on
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Replying To zinny: "Its an age group where everyone puts winning before player retention. Nobody will play during the Adult championship without the lads who play adult which means the players who don't give up soon enough. If clubs cannot field teams without their adult players then let them combine with others. Something more radical is needed to fix the problem but I am not sure there is any appetite as the nobody seems interested in it." If we had 4 team groups in 12 or 16 team grades, we could play u21 in the new gap weeks.
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Replying To Viking66: "If we had 4 team groups in 12 or 16 team grades, we could play u21 in the new gap weeks." So long as you didn't even think about putting an U21 match on during Electric Picnic weekend! :D
But seriously, then you'd probably have even more managers giving out about what Skippy Ruth was giving out about this week.
Say a club wins a senior hurling semi-final, and the senior final is fixed for a fortnight later. The week in between is one of the new 'gap weeks' that's supposed to be for U21. The club is still in the U21 championship, and is fixed to play that weekend. An U21 player who also lines out with the seniors gets injured in that match, and then you're back to the Skippy square one....
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Replying To Pikeman96: "So long as you didn't even think about putting an U21 match on during Electric Picnic weekend! :D
But seriously, then you'd probably have even more managers giving out about what Skippy Ruth was giving out about this week.
Say a club wins a senior hurling semi-final, and the senior final is fixed for a fortnight later. The week in between is one of the new 'gap weeks' that's supposed to be for U21. The club is still in the U21 championship, and is fixed to play that weekend. An U21 player who also lines out with the seniors gets injured in that match, and then you're back to the Skippy square one...." I find it mad how we could play out all these championships back in the day, not even too long ago, and it was accepted that you might be missing a lad or two, or could have a few playing two games in a short timeframe, but you got on with it. And that was when there wasn't a split season. Going to a festival/travelling is a privilege and shouldn't be justifiable means to not fix games.
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Replying To beano: "I find it mad how we could play out all these championships back in the day, not even too long ago, and it was accepted that you might be missing a lad or two, or could have a few playing two games in a short timeframe, but you got on with it. And that was when there wasn't a split season. Going to a festival/travelling is a privilege and shouldn't be justifiable means to not fix games." Couldn't agree more.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "So long as you didn't even think about putting an U21 match on during Electric Picnic weekend! :D
But seriously, then you'd probably have even more managers giving out about what Skippy Ruth was giving out about this week.
Say a club wins a senior hurling semi-final, and the senior final is fixed for a fortnight later. The week in between is one of the new 'gap weeks' that's supposed to be for U21. The club is still in the U21 championship, and is fixed to play that weekend. An U21 player who also lines out with the seniors gets injured in that match, and then you're back to the Skippy square one...." I agree with what beno says below but what you say about managers complaining if a player gets injured proves the point. I don't know of any manager who was a fringe player in underage, gave up and is now a manager, so how could they every understand the mindset of that player. Injuries are part of the game and training, if the player got injured in the semi final and was out for the final that is ok but to get injured in a u21 game its not ok, it shows that the manager doesn't care about player retention or the u21 grade. I have known some of these kids who all they want to do is continue playing with their mates but the decision is made for them. If clubs think its more important to keep their star u21s protected then it gives other players a chance to play but I have a feeling if you ask the U21 players they would want to play. Clubs complain about not having players but they keep supporting policies that cause the problem in the first place.
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Quite simply there are too many matches.
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Replying To beano: "I find it mad how we could play out all these championships back in the day, not even too long ago, and it was accepted that you might be missing a lad or two, or could have a few playing two games in a short timeframe, but you got on with it. And that was when there wasn't a split season. Going to a festival/travelling is a privilege and shouldn't be justifiable means to not fix games." In fairness format was different back then. It was knockout with a back door for first round losers so some teams only played 2-3 games a year and only took 5-6 games to win the championship. Then it went to 4 groups of 4 where it took 6 rounds to complete. Now with groups of 6 it has taken 8 or even this year 9 rounds to complete. But I do remember u21 championship been held up for a lad on the subs of the county team and the final wasnt played for months.
If we have smaller groups or straight knockout, people complain teams don't get enough games. If we have larger groups like groups of 6 people complain there's too many games. Can't please everyone
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I went to the Rathnure / TAD game on Saturday. Not sure what to think - I was half shocked coming out trying to understand what had just occurred. The sending off at the throw in was just bizzare. I've since looked back at it over and over and it is very difficult to see the contact but to say it was intentional or sending off offence is crazy. To rub salt in the wound then the referee allowed the injured player stay on the field and fire over the free when the rules clearly state if you get attention you are required to leave the field of play.
Second red card I don't know what happened - it may have been a stray elbow. Linesman seems to have called it or maybe he thought the contact caused both TAD players to collide with each other.
Third red card was very harsh - 20 seconds left in normal time and the guy will now miss an all-ireland final. There wasn't a dirty stroke in the game. It was ruined by a very very poor referee.
To their credit Rathnure battled hard to the end - and i do think 15/15 they would have won the game. Even 14/15 they were getting to grips with TAD. They dropped 3 balls just short in the second half and missed two very scorable frees in the first half. Had those 5 points gone over it would have been a very different game. TAD to their credit are a very good team. They got some super scores and outscored Rathnure by 6 points to 1 in the second quarter of the first half. This was the difference i thought.
Rathnure will match any team in senior next year based on their performances in 2024
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Replying To MyOhMi: "I went to the Rathnure / TAD game on Saturday. Not sure what to think - I was half shocked coming out trying to understand what had just occurred. The sending off at the throw in was just bizzare. I've since looked back at it over and over and it is very difficult to see the contact but to say it was intentional or sending off offence is crazy. To rub salt in the wound then the referee allowed the injured player stay on the field and fire over the free when the rules clearly state if you get attention you are required to leave the field of play.
Second red card I don't know what happened - it may have been a stray elbow. Linesman seems to have called it or maybe he thought the contact caused both TAD players to collide with each other.
Third red card was very harsh - 20 seconds left in normal time and the guy will now miss an all-ireland final. There wasn't a dirty stroke in the game. It was ruined by a very very poor referee.
To their credit Rathnure battled hard to the end - and i do think 15/15 they would have won the game. Even 14/15 they were getting to grips with TAD. They dropped 3 balls just short in the second half and missed two very scorable frees in the first half. Had those 5 points gone over it would have been a very different game. TAD to their credit are a very good team. They got some super scores and outscored Rathnure by 6 points to 1 in the second quarter of the first half. This was the difference i thought.
Rathnure will match any team in senior next year based on their performances in 2024" I've looked at all three incidents many times, and while I'd sometimes give the benefit of the doubt to the referee in such cases (tough job, has to make a decision based on what he saw in a split second, etc.), it's hard to see a straight red card offence in any of them.
You're right too about how that TAD player at the throw-in should have been made leave the field, instead of being allowed to stay on and take the free. His helmet was off while he received attention, so he should have been out of action until the next break in play.
I do think that sometimes teams are too quick to blame the referee for a defeat, but in fairness, it's easy to see why Rathnure are mightily annoyed with this one.
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I've looked at all three incidents many times, and while I'd sometimes give the benefit of the doubt to the referee in such cases (tough job, has to make a decision based on what he saw in a split second, etc.), it's hard to see a straight red card offence in any of them.
You're right too about how that TAD player at the throw-in should have been made leave the field, instead of being allowed to stay on and take the free. His helmet was off while he received attention, so he should have been out of action until the next break in play.
I do think that sometimes teams are too quick to blame the referee for a defeat, but in fairness, it's easy to see why Rathnure are mightily annoyed with this one." Fairly scathing report about the referee in todays New Ross Standard on the game from Dean Goodison - full of praise for Rathnure. According to him the refs accessor was in the press box.
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See an email from county board reminding clubs about championship motions. Be interesting to see what motions will be put forward? Will there be any from the football review committee or hurling committee. I know Viking has stated about there club putting forward a motion, wonder is there any others putting forward motions for championship structures etc.
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This time or year clubs are usually busy trying to get management teams in place for the coming year. Has anyone heard of any interesting appointments?
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Replying To MyOhMi: "Fairly scathing report about the referee in todays New Ross Standard on the game from Dean Goodison - full of praise for Rathnure. According to him the refs accessor was in the press box." I only saw the tweets going around that day so don't know the context if it was a dirty game etc but Rathnure were absolutely shafted by the referee that day.
The assessor should be asking how the officiating team came to that conclusion for both. The first one was accidental at best and saw no intent, the second one I have not a clue.
Referees are mixing up intent with outcome and to me that is a dangerous road to go down in a physical contact game like hurling.
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Championship and league motions as follow
Adult Hurling Championships 2025: Senior to Junior A.
2 groups of 6 teams (Groups A and B).
• Team finishing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in each group into quarter finals.
• Team finishing 4th and 5th each group into preliminary quarter final.
• Place 6 in each group into relegation final.
• Open draw for Semi Final.
Preliminary QF
A4 v B5 PQF1
B4 v A5 PQF2
Quarter Final.
A1 v Winner PQF2*
B1 v Winner PQF1*
A2 v B3 B2 v A3
*Avoid repeat pairings from Group stage if possible.
Relegation Final
A6 v B6
Advantages: Makes group phase much more competitive with immediate consequence for coming 6th
Advantage of coming 1st,2nd, or 3rd- encourages teams to finish higher group for better QF draw and allowing space for recovery and preparation. Consequence to finishing 6th in group making Round 5 matches more important.
Oulart the Ballagh GAA Club
That Hurling & Football Championships at Senior, Intermediate, Intermediate 'A', Junior and Junior 'A' grades be organised on the following basis:
· Twelve teams in each grade, split into two groups of six on a seeded basis.
· Each team plays the other teams within their group in the round-robin stage.
· The top four teams in each group proceed to quarter-finals, to be played on a basis of:
o 1st in Group A v 4th in Group B
o 2nd in Group A v 3rd in Group B
o 3rd in Group A v 2nd in Group B
o 4th in Group A v 1st in Group B
· Fifth-placed team in each group exits the championship.
· Sixth-placed team in each group contests a Relegation Final.
· Semi-finals will be open draw, with repeat pairings to be avoided where possible.
Ferns and Askamore-Kilrush GAA Club
Hurling and football championships from senior to junior played in blocks as in 2024. But when it gets to quarter finals, we play hurling quarter, semifinals and finals followed by football quarter, semifinals and finals.
Davidstown-Courtnacuddy GAA Club
That the hurling and football championships revert back to a "split season" arrangement for 2025 onwards, hurling first until conclusion, then football. And that hurling returns to the pre 2024 arrangement of top 4 in each group of 6 go through to QFs, bottom in each group into relegation final, as is still the case in Football.
Taghmon-Camross GAA Club
4x groups of 3 teams
Top team in each group through to qtr. final.
Bottom 2 teams in each group through to preliminary qtr. final.
Winner of preliminary qtr. final goes to qtr. final & loser goes to relegation semi-final.
Cloughbawn GAA Club
Bottom team only from each group go straight into relegation final.
Oylegate-Glenbrien GAA Club
In the event that two teams finish level on the same points in the league section of the Championship, the head-to-head deciding factor is removed as the first option and replaced by the scoring difference between the two teams involved. If the scoring difference is equal, then the highest overall score of the teams involved is taken into account and whichever team has the highest overall score is placed directly above the other team in the league. In the event that this amount is also equal the resolution reverts to the head-to-head.
Horeswood GAA Club
When three or more teams finish on equal points in the league section of the Championship and a "mini league" is formed and when the teams are tied after the existing first deciding factor, i.e. the number of league points earned from the games between the teams involved does not resolve the teams' positions, score differences in
the "mini league" should be the next deciding factor. If the teams still can't be separated overall scoring differences should be the next deciding factor.
Horeswood GAA Club
That divisions in the All-County Leagues (both hurling and football) correspond to championship gradings - i.e. Division 1 comprises the 12 senior teams, Division 2 comprises the 12 intermediate teams, etc.
If championship structure remains as two groups of six in each grade, then league fixtures operate as per 2022 and earlier years - i.e. each team has six league fixtures (one v each team in the opposite championship group).
If a different group structure is adopted for championship, then each team continues to have six league fixtures against other teams in the same championship grade, on a basis to be decided by the CCC.
CCC to decide when compiling master fixtures calendar whether Leagues will include semi-finals involving the top two teams from each group (1st in Group A v 2nd in Group B, and 2nd in Group A v 1st in Group B), or whether to proceed directly to finals (1st in Group A v 1st in Group B). Clubs to be informed of CCC's decision before the commencement of the League.
Ferns GAA Club
All County Adult Football and Hurling Leagues. That the first round of the ACHL not be played until weekend 4th/5th/6th April. 2 or 3 rounds of football be played before hurling is played. Ideally this will allow for pitches and weather conditions to improve before the first hurling round.
Oulart the Ballagh GAA Club
Proposal for a Junior C Hurling Championship
The 2024 Junior B Hurling Championship had just 24 teams (there were 38 teams in 2022 post COVID).
· Gorey: 7 teams
· Enniscorthy: 4 teams
· New Ross: 6 teams
· Wexford: 9 Teams
This dramatic reduction in the number of teams and players participating in our county needs to be addressed.
The purpose of the current Junior B and proposed Junior C championship is development of younger players and to provide a participation level for weaker players.
With the Junior B championship arranged on a district basis, there is a large gap between top and bottom in each district. For the teams at the bottom of the tables in each district, consistently losing by large margins results in drop off in participation across the season and is not providing meaningful games at this level.
Players play at this level to either:
(a) Win a place on the next team up in the club; or
(b) For enjoyment.
There is no enjoyment in one sided game and these participation-based players are leaving our games.
We propose that:
· The Junior B Hurling Championship be played on an All-County basis in 2025 using the same format as the Junior C Hurling Championship. The 2025 Junior B Championship would consist of the 7 remaining district finalists plus the team relegated from the Junior A championship in 2024. In addition, there would be four additional teams graded to play Junior B championship by the CCC-Fixtures.
· That a Junior C Hurling Championship be organised, played on a district basis with Wexford and New Ross districts combined and Gorey and Enniscorthy districts combined.
· Districts to organise a Junior C competition to provide as many meaningful games as possible within the window allowed so as to promote and increase the number of adults playing hurling in the County.
· CCC-Fixtures would determine a suitable structure for a Junior C Hurling Championship at county level.
Buffers Alley GAA Club
With regards to the first round of the U21 championships in Premier/Division 1, when a walkover occurs, that the team who receives a walkover (the weaker team in seeding), should, subject to county board/competitions control authority approval, be allowed to request to be placed in a lower division (i.e, premier to Division 1). This is to benefit the weaker team that received the walkover. Currently the first round is seeded between the
8 stronger teams and 8 weaker teams. In most cases, if the game would be played the weaker team would lose and would have been expected to play in Division 1. Due to the fact currently when you give a walkover in the U21 championships, you withdraw from the championship so there is a place available in both Premier and Division 1.
Blackwater GAA Club
CCC Loch Garman
1.The second paragraph of Bye Law 8 to be amended as follows (amendment in bold);
"A player who has not played championship within the County in the last two calendar years may apply for a Transfer at any point up to a date set by the CCC on an annual basis to not be later than fourteen days prior to the commencement of adult championship e.g. a player may seek a transfer at any point prior to the commencement of adult championship in 2025 as long as they have not played championship for their present club in either 2023 or 2024. Confirmation of date of last championship game played must be confirmed by the Secretary of the player's current club as part of the application process."
The purpose of this proposed amendment is to provide sufficient time for the appeals process.
2. For Junior and Junior A Championship the CCC recommend that the 5th game in the Championship be played at a neutral venue and that all Clubs be required to make venues available to facilitate same.
3. For First and Second Rounds of Junior B League Championship, no walkover fee will apply where 3 days notice in advance of the proposed fixture is given. A fine of €100 will apply in respect of any walkover given in the first and second round of the Junior B League Championship where less than 3 days notice is given. Any walkover in subsequent rounds will incur a fine of €200.
4. In the Junior B League Championship, in the event of one team having only 13 or 14 players, both Clubs must play the lower number of players available. In the event of both Clubs having a minimum of 15 players, normal rules apply.
5. For Junior B League Championship, unlimited substitutes will be permitted. For knockout stages, normal Championship substitution rules apply.
6. Regulation 8.21 be amended as follows: (amendment in bold)
"8.21 Clubs who do not have an Active Referee will be penalized as follows:
Club will lose home advantage for the first two games of every team from U14 to Adult and pay an additional €500 to the referee training fund.
From 2026, in addition to the above, all Clubs at Senior Grade who do not have two Active Referees will be penalized as follows:
Club will lose home advantage for the first two games of every team from U14 to Adult and pay an additional €500 to the referee training fund. Exception - a team promoted to Senior Grade is exempt in year one of its promotion, from this requirement.
The list of Active Referees is determined by the Referees' Administration Committee."
This proposed amendment to Regulation 8.21 aims to ensure availability of sufficient Referees to safeguard continuity of current underage and adult games programme.
CCC Loch Garman
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 460 - 13/01/2025 14:56:22
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Championship and league motions as follow
Adult Hurling Championships 2025: Senior to Junior A.
2 groups of 6 teams (Groups A and B).
• Team finishing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in each group into quarter finals.
• Team finishing 4th and 5th each group into preliminary quarter final.
• Place 6 in each group into relegation final.
• Open draw for Semi Final.
Preliminary QF
A4 v B5 PQF1
B4 v A5 PQF2
Quarter Final.
A1 v Winner PQF2*
B1 v Winner PQF1*
A2 v B3 B2 v A3
*Avoid repeat pairings from Group stage if possible.
Relegation Final
A6 v B6
Advantages: Makes group phase much more competitive with immediate consequence for coming 6th
Advantage of coming 1st,2nd, or 3rd- encourages teams to finish higher group for better QF draw and allowing space for recovery and preparation. Consequence to finishing 6th in group making Round 5 matches more important.
Oulart the Ballagh GAA Club
That Hurling & Football Championships at Senior, Intermediate, Intermediate 'A', Junior and Junior 'A' grades be organised on the following basis:
· Twelve teams in each grade, split into two groups of six on a seeded basis.
· Each team plays the other teams within their group in the round-robin stage.
· The top four teams in each group proceed to quarter-finals, to be played on a basis of:
o 1st in Group A v 4th in Group B
o 2nd in Group A v 3rd in Group B
o 3rd in Group A v 2nd in Group B
o 4th in Group A v 1st in Group B
· Fifth-placed team in each group exits the championship.
· Sixth-placed team in each group contests a Relegation Final.
· Semi-finals will be open draw, with repeat pairings to be avoided where possible.
Ferns and Askamore-Kilrush GAA Club
Hurling and football championships from senior to junior played in blocks as in 2024. But when it gets to quarter finals, we play hurling quarter, semifinals and finals followed by football quarter, semifinals and finals.
Davidstown-Courtnacuddy GAA Club
That the hurling and football championships revert back to a "split season" arrangement for 2025 onwards, hurling first until conclusion, then football. And that hurling returns to the pre 2024 arrangement of top 4 in each group of 6 go through to QFs, bottom in each group into relegation final, as is still the case in Football.
Taghmon-Camross GAA Club
4x groups of 3 teams
Top team in each group through to qtr. final.
Bottom 2 teams in each group through to preliminary qtr. final.
Winner of preliminary qtr. final goes to qtr. final & loser goes to relegation semi-final.
Cloughbawn GAA Club
Bottom team only from each group go straight into relegation final.
Oylegate-Glenbrien GAA Club
In the event that two teams finish level on the same points in the league section of the Championship, the head-to-head deciding factor is removed as the first option and replaced by the scoring difference between the two teams involved. If the scoring difference is equal, then the highest overall score of the teams involved is taken into account and whichever team has the highest overall score is placed directly above the other team in the league. In the event that this amount is also equal the resolution reverts to the head-to-head.
Horeswood GAA Club
When three or more teams finish on equal points in the league section of the Championship and a "mini league" is formed and when the teams are tied after the existing first deciding factor, i.e. the number of league points earned from the games between the teams involved does not resolve the teams' positions, score differences in
the "mini league" should be the next deciding factor. If the teams still can't be separated overall scoring differences should be the next deciding factor.
Horeswood GAA Club
That divisions in the All-County Leagues (both hurling and football) correspond to championship gradings - i.e. Division 1 comprises the 12 senior teams, Division 2 comprises the 12 intermediate teams, etc.
If championship structure remains as two groups of six in each grade, then league fixtures operate as per 2022 and earlier years - i.e. each team has six league fixtures (one v each team in the opposite championship group).
If a different group structure is adopted for championship, then each team continues to have six league fixtures against other teams in the same championship grade, on a basis to be decided by the CCC.
CCC to decide when compiling master fixtures calendar whether Leagues will include semi-finals involving the top two teams from each group (1st in Group A v 2nd in Group B, and 2nd in Group A v 1st in Group B), or whether to proceed directly to finals (1st in Group A v 1st in Group B). Clubs to be informed of CCC's decision before the commencement of the League.
Ferns GAA Club
All County Adult Football and Hurling Leagues. That the first round of the ACHL not be played until weekend 4th/5th/6th April. 2 or 3 rounds of football be played before hurling is played. Ideally this will allow for pitches and weather conditions to improve before the first hurling round.
Oulart the Ballagh GAA Club
Proposal for a Junior C Hurling Championship
The 2024 Junior B Hurling Championship had just 24 teams (there were 38 teams in 2022 post COVID).
· Gorey: 7 teams
· Enniscorthy: 4 teams
· New Ross: 6 teams
· Wexford: 9 Teams
This dramatic reduction in the number of teams and players participating in our county needs to be addressed.
The purpose of the current Junior B and proposed Junior C championship is development of younger players and to provide a participation level for weaker players.
With the Junior B championship arranged on a district basis, there is a large gap between top and bottom in each district. For the teams at the bottom of the tables in each district, consistently losing by large margins results in drop off in participation across the season and is not providing meaningful games at this level.
Players play at this level to either:
(a) Win a place on the next team up in the club; or
(b) For enjoyment.
There is no enjoyment in one sided game and these participation-based players are leaving our games.
We propose that:
· The Junior B Hurling Championship be played on an All-County basis in 2025 using the same format as the Junior C Hurling Championship. The 2025 Junior B Championship would consist of the 7 remaining district finalists plus the team relegated from the Junior A championship in 2024. In addition, there would be four additional teams graded to play Junior B championship by the CCC-Fixtures.
· That a Junior C Hurling Championship be organised, played on a district basis with Wexford and New Ross districts combined and Gorey and Enniscorthy districts combined.
· Districts to organise a Junior C competition to provide as many meaningful games as possible within the window allowed so as to promote and increase the number of adults playing hurling in the County.
· CCC-Fixtures would determine a suitable structure for a Junior C Hurling Championship at county level.
Buffers Alley GAA Club
With regards to the first round of the U21 championships in Premier/Division 1, when a walkover occurs, that the team who receives a walkover (the weaker team in seeding), should, subject to county board/competitions control authority approval, be allowed to request to be placed in a lower division (i.e, premier to Division 1). This is to benefit the weaker team that received the walkover. Currently the first round is seeded between the
8 stronger teams and 8 weaker teams. In most cases, if the game would be played the weaker team would lose and would have been expected to play in Division 1. Due to the fact currently when you give a walkover in the U21 championships, you withdraw from the championship so there is a place available in both Premier and Division 1.
Blackwater GAA Club
CCC Loch Garman
1.The second paragraph of Bye Law 8 to be amended as follows (amendment in bold);
"A player who has not played championship within the County in the last two calendar years may apply for a Transfer at any point up to a date set by the CCC on an annual basis to not be later than fourteen days prior to the commencement of adult championship e.g. a player may seek a transfer at any point prior to the commencement of adult championship in 2025 as long as they have not played championship for their present club in either 2023 or 2024. Confirmation of date of last championship game played must be confirmed by the Secretary of the player's current club as part of the application process."
The purpose of this proposed amendment is to provide sufficient time for the appeals process.
2. For Junior and Junior A Championship the CCC recommend that the 5th game in the Championship be played at a neutral venue and that all Clubs be required to make venues available to facilitate same.
3. For First and Second Rounds of Junior B League Championship, no walkover fee will apply where 3 days notice in advance of the proposed fixture is given. A fine of €100 will apply in respect of any walkover given in the first and second round of the Junior B League Championship where less than 3 days notice is given. Any walkover in subsequent rounds will incur a fine of €200.
4. In the Junior B League Championship, in the event of one team having only 13 or 14 players, both Clubs must play the lower number of players available. In the event of both Clubs having a minimum of 15 players, normal rules apply.
5. For Junior B League Championship, unlimited substitutes will be permitted. For knockout stages, normal Championship substitution rules apply.
6. Regulation 8.21 be amended as follows: (amendment in bold)
"8.21 Clubs who do not have an Active Referee will be penalized as follows:
Club will lose home advantage for the first two games of every team from U14 to Adult and pay an additional €500 to the referee training fund.
From 2026, in addition to the above, all Clubs at Senior Grade who do not have two Active Referees will be penalized as follows:
Club will lose home advantage for the first two games of every team from U14 to Adult and pay an additional €500 to the referee training fund. Exception - a team promoted to Senior Grade is exempt in year one of its promotion, from this requirement.
The list of Active Referees is determined by the Referees' Administration Committee."
This proposed amendment to Regulation 8.21 aims to ensure availability of sufficient Referees to safeguard continuity of current underage and adult games programme.
CCC Loch Garman" Sorry very long but I just copied and pasted. In my own opinion, I had actually proposed Oularts format here before. I like it because the bottom team gets relegated and gives teams more to play for coming into the last round. Also if you finished top 3, you get a weekend off. I would be in favour of this rather than reverting to 2 groups where four go through.
Not sure of Oularts second proposal, to play off the football league earlier by playing three rounds.
Like the idea of a Junior C championship, there is a massive gap between weaker and stronger teams. Wexford district already has something like this in place where the weaker teams play on one side and the stronger on the other before a semi.
In the Junior B League Championship, in the event of one team having only 13 or 14 players, both Clubs must play the lower number of players available. In the event of both Clubs having a minimum of 15 players, normal rules apply. 5. For Junior B League Championship, unlimited substitutes will be permitted
Also happy with this, at least might reduce walkovers.
I see also every Senior club is to have two active referees. Unfortunately this is needed more than ever due to dwindling referee numbers.
alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 460 - 13/01/2025 15:32:18
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Replying To alwaysasub: "Championship and league motions as follow
Adult Hurling Championships 2025: Senior to Junior A.
2 groups of 6 teams (Groups A and B).
• Team finishing 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in each group into quarter finals.
• Team finishing 4th and 5th each group into preliminary quarter final.
• Place 6 in each group into relegation final.
• Open draw for Semi Final.
Preliminary QF
A4 v B5 PQF1
B4 v A5 PQF2
Quarter Final.
A1 v Winner PQF2*
B1 v Winner PQF1*
A2 v B3 B2 v A3
*Avoid repeat pairings from Group stage if possible.
Relegation Final
A6 v B6
Advantages: Makes group phase much more competitive with immediate consequence for coming 6th
Advantage of coming 1st,2nd, or 3rd- encourages teams to finish higher group for better QF draw and allowing space for recovery and preparation. Consequence to finishing 6th in group making Round 5 matches more important.
Oulart the Ballagh GAA Club
That Hurling & Football Championships at Senior, Intermediate, Intermediate 'A', Junior and Junior 'A' grades be organised on the following basis:
· Twelve teams in each grade, split into two groups of six on a seeded basis.
· Each team plays the other teams within their group in the round-robin stage.
· The top four teams in each group proceed to quarter-finals, to be played on a basis of:
o 1st in Group A v 4th in Group B
o 2nd in Group A v 3rd in Group B
o 3rd in Group A v 2nd in Group B
o 4th in Group A v 1st in Group B
· Fifth-placed team in each group exits the championship.
· Sixth-placed team in each group contests a Relegation Final.
· Semi-finals will be open draw, with repeat pairings to be avoided where possible.
Ferns and Askamore-Kilrush GAA Club
Hurling and football championships from senior to junior played in blocks as in 2024. But when it gets to quarter finals, we play hurling quarter, semifinals and finals followed by football quarter, semifinals and finals.
Davidstown-Courtnacuddy GAA Club
That the hurling and football championships revert back to a "split season" arrangement for 2025 onwards, hurling first until conclusion, then football. And that hurling returns to the pre 2024 arrangement of top 4 in each group of 6 go through to QFs, bottom in each group into relegation final, as is still the case in Football.
Taghmon-Camross GAA Club
4x groups of 3 teams
Top team in each group through to qtr. final.
Bottom 2 teams in each group through to preliminary qtr. final.
Winner of preliminary qtr. final goes to qtr. final & loser goes to relegation semi-final.
Cloughbawn GAA Club
Bottom team only from each group go straight into relegation final.
Oylegate-Glenbrien GAA Club
In the event that two teams finish level on the same points in the league section of the Championship, the head-to-head deciding factor is removed as the first option and replaced by the scoring difference between the two teams involved. If the scoring difference is equal, then the highest overall score of the teams involved is taken into account and whichever team has the highest overall score is placed directly above the other team in the league. In the event that this amount is also equal the resolution reverts to the head-to-head.
Horeswood GAA Club
When three or more teams finish on equal points in the league section of the Championship and a "mini league" is formed and when the teams are tied after the existing first deciding factor, i.e. the number of league points earned from the games between the teams involved does not resolve the teams' positions, score differences in
the "mini league" should be the next deciding factor. If the teams still can't be separated overall scoring differences should be the next deciding factor.
Horeswood GAA Club
That divisions in the All-County Leagues (both hurling and football) correspond to championship gradings - i.e. Division 1 comprises the 12 senior teams, Division 2 comprises the 12 intermediate teams, etc.
If championship structure remains as two groups of six in each grade, then league fixtures operate as per 2022 and earlier years - i.e. each team has six league fixtures (one v each team in the opposite championship group).
If a different group structure is adopted for championship, then each team continues to have six league fixtures against other teams in the same championship grade, on a basis to be decided by the CCC.
CCC to decide when compiling master fixtures calendar whether Leagues will include semi-finals involving the top two teams from each group (1st in Group A v 2nd in Group B, and 2nd in Group A v 1st in Group B), or whether to proceed directly to finals (1st in Group A v 1st in Group B). Clubs to be informed of CCC's decision before the commencement of the League.
Ferns GAA Club
All County Adult Football and Hurling Leagues. That the first round of the ACHL not be played until weekend 4th/5th/6th April. 2 or 3 rounds of football be played before hurling is played. Ideally this will allow for pitches and weather conditions to improve before the first hurling round.
Oulart the Ballagh GAA Club
Proposal for a Junior C Hurling Championship
The 2024 Junior B Hurling Championship had just 24 teams (there were 38 teams in 2022 post COVID).
· Gorey: 7 teams
· Enniscorthy: 4 teams
· New Ross: 6 teams
· Wexford: 9 Teams
This dramatic reduction in the number of teams and players participating in our county needs to be addressed.
The purpose of the current Junior B and proposed Junior C championship is development of younger players and to provide a participation level for weaker players.
With the Junior B championship arranged on a district basis, there is a large gap between top and bottom in each district. For the teams at the bottom of the tables in each district, consistently losing by large margins results in drop off in participation across the season and is not providing meaningful games at this level.
Players play at this level to either:
(a) Win a place on the next team up in the club; or
(b) For enjoyment.
There is no enjoyment in one sided game and these participation-based players are leaving our games.
We propose that:
· The Junior B Hurling Championship be played on an All-County basis in 2025 using the same format as the Junior C Hurling Championship. The 2025 Junior B Championship would consist of the 7 remaining district finalists plus the team relegated from the Junior A championship in 2024. In addition, there would be four additional teams graded to play Junior B championship by the CCC-Fixtures.
· That a Junior C Hurling Championship be organised, played on a district basis with Wexford and New Ross districts combined and Gorey and Enniscorthy districts combined.
· Districts to organise a Junior C competition to provide as many meaningful games as possible within the window allowed so as to promote and increase the number of adults playing hurling in the County.
· CCC-Fixtures would determine a suitable structure for a Junior C Hurling Championship at county level.
Buffers Alley GAA Club
With regards to the first round of the U21 championships in Premier/Division 1, when a walkover occurs, that the team who receives a walkover (the weaker team in seeding), should, subject to county board/competitions control authority approval, be allowed to request to be placed in a lower division (i.e, premier to Division 1). This is to benefit the weaker team that received the walkover. Currently the first round is seeded between the
8 stronger teams and 8 weaker teams. In most cases, if the game would be played the weaker team would lose and would have been expected to play in Division 1. Due to the fact currently when you give a walkover in the U21 championships, you withdraw from the championship so there is a place available in both Premier and Division 1.
Blackwater GAA Club
CCC Loch Garman
1.The second paragraph of Bye Law 8 to be amended as follows (amendment in bold);
"A player who has not played championship within the County in the last two calendar years may apply for a Transfer at any point up to a date set by the CCC on an annual basis to not be later than fourteen days prior to the commencement of adult championship e.g. a player may seek a transfer at any point prior to the commencement of adult championship in 2025 as long as they have not played championship for their present club in either 2023 or 2024. Confirmation of date of last championship game played must be confirmed by the Secretary of the player's current club as part of the application process."
The purpose of this proposed amendment is to provide sufficient time for the appeals process.
2. For Junior and Junior A Championship the CCC recommend that the 5th game in the Championship be played at a neutral venue and that all Clubs be required to make venues available to facilitate same.
3. For First and Second Rounds of Junior B League Championship, no walkover fee will apply where 3 days notice in advance of the proposed fixture is given. A fine of €100 will apply in respect of any walkover given in the first and second round of the Junior B League Championship where less than 3 days notice is given. Any walkover in subsequent rounds will incur a fine of €200.
4. In the Junior B League Championship, in the event of one team having only 13 or 14 players, both Clubs must play the lower number of players available. In the event of both Clubs having a minimum of 15 players, normal rules apply.
5. For Junior B League Championship, unlimited substitutes will be permitted. For knockout stages, normal Championship substitution rules apply.
6. Regulation 8.21 be amended as follows: (amendment in bold)
"8.21 Clubs who do not have an Active Referee will be penalized as follows:
Club will lose home advantage for the first two games of every team from U14 to Adult and pay an additional €500 to the referee training fund.
From 2026, in addition to the above, all Clubs at Senior Grade who do not have two Active Referees will be penalized as follows:
Club will lose home advantage for the first two games of every team from U14 to Adult and pay an additional €500 to the referee training fund. Exception - a team promoted to Senior Grade is exempt in year one of its promotion, from this requirement.
The list of Active Referees is determined by the Referees' Administration Committee."
This proposed amendment to Regulation 8.21 aims to ensure availability of sufficient Referees to safeguard continuity of current underage and adult games programme.
CCC Loch Garman" CCC motion on refs makes sense
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14481 - 13/01/2025 15:44:37
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