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Looking forward to the games this weekend. My predictions for senior are St Anne's to beat the shels and St Martins to beat Gorey. I think Cloughbawn will get the better of Oulart in the relegation. I think the 3 games will be tight.

In intermediate, it's hard to see anything other than a Rathnure win. Having a to play a relegation final the week before a football final is not prep for Gusserane but I do think they'll have enough to get over the line in this.

Intermediate A, I think Liam Mellows will book their place in a second county final this year and I'm tipping Clongeen to cause an upset in the other side.

JT22 (Wexford) - Posts: 49 - 17/10/2024 21:27:01    2575541

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Just saw this on twitter

Leinster Council strike out award of game to Fethard
The Leinster Council hearing of our appeal against the ruling of the Wexford GAA CCC's award of the Intermediate Hurling Quarter Final has concluded.
Aspects of the procedures of the CCC were not in order and have struck out their award, recommending that the matter goes back to an Independent CCC to be re-heard with the referees result on the day standing, subject to an objection from Fethard.

Fallout2 (Wexford) - Posts: 10 - 17/10/2024 22:22:41    2575550

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Replying To Viking66:  "It's going to turn into a huge mess. It probably has already. I feel sorry for the 2 clubs, and St James and whoever wins between Rathnure and the Alley.
Maybe going forwards a referee should stop the game if the scoreboard is wrong, or should regularly update both teams and his fellow officials if the game is in a venue with no scoreboard or if the scoreboard isnt working."
Or maybe have an independent score keeper in the stand or pitch side, who can liaise with the referee and confirm the score at the end of of each passage of play.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2652 - 17/10/2024 22:45:06    2575553

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I see Leinster strike out the award of the game to Fethard. The CCC didn't follow procedures. So it's again subject to an appeal by Fethard. Maybe both clubs should just agree to a replay at this stage

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 443 - 17/10/2024 22:49:29    2575554

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So Leinster overturned the CCC. Onwards to the DRA now?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13721 - 18/10/2024 06:48:58    2575560

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Replying To Viking66:  "So Leinster overturned the CCC. Onwards to the DRA now?"
It's going back to CCC level it seems. Procedures weren't correctly followed. Not sure if the independent CCC means an outside county? Either way it seems it's back to stage 1 and can still go back to Leinster then onto DRA.

Fallout2 (Wexford) - Posts: 10 - 18/10/2024 07:07:57    2575561

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Replying To Viking66:  "I think you are missing the point. There isn't a dispute about whether a score was or wasn't given. It was given. The dispute is that it wasn't recorded by the referee, as it should have been. It would've been like the referee in the AI final deciding Cork v Clare was a draw, when everyone else there in Croke Park knew it wasn't. Everyone at the Fethard Bunclody game, from linesmen to stats men, had it that Fethard had won by a point. Only the referee thought different."
There's plenty of examples where everyone thinks it's a point and the referee thinks different.

The whole issue with over turning this result regardless if Fethard won or not is the potential for huge amounts of objections in the future over disputed scores.

It also seems that they just checked what umpire though and not check if it actually was a point.

Remember the Leinster football final in 2010, who other than the referee though that the Meath goal at the end should have disallowed?

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 473 - 18/10/2024 07:19:05    2575562

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Or maybe have an independent score keeper in the stand or pitch side, who can liaise with the referee and confirm the score at the end of of each passage of play."
That means trying to get more volunteers when we don't have enough referees in the 1st place though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13721 - 18/10/2024 07:46:58    2575564

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "I see Leinster strike out the award of the game to Fethard. The CCC didn't follow procedures. So it's again subject to an appeal by Fethard. Maybe both clubs should just agree to a replay at this stage"
Is that option still on the table?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13721 - 18/10/2024 07:47:23    2575565

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What a mess aspects of the procedures of the hearing were deemed not in order .
I said it before if you are willing to go the whole hog on these appeals there are so many aspects and watery rules open to interpretation that a solicitor can pick it apart .
The people on the adjudication committee are more likely to be like you and me amd not legal eagles .almost certainly will make a mistake or misread a procedure leaving it open to appeal .
Most often clubs players accept their punishment due to newing it was merited but in this case there can be no winner .
In my opinion if co board encouraged both to replay the game it's for the above reason and they know it's almost impossible to come to a conclusive outcome within the procedures they have to work under.
And left open to appeal after appeal I fear this will rumble on and on .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 299 - 18/10/2024 08:23:37    2575570

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Replying To Viking66:  "So Leinster overturned the CCC. Onwards to the DRA now?"
DRA is the last option - but now it's back with Fethard having to appeal. It's a very strange one that Leinster GAA overturned Wexford GAA with what it seems that they followed wrong process .. I am sure Fethard won't be appealing that but appealing the original issue with the score. Look I do think at end of day it will go down to the referees recorded and submitted score. Not sure what rules Wexford CCC were following but it seems Leinster GAA weren't happy with that

MyOhMi (Wexford) - Posts: 153 - 18/10/2024 09:28:34    2575576

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Replying To Viking66:  "So Leinster overturned the CCC. Onwards to the DRA now?"
That bit from Twitter that's quoted above says struck out rather than overturned. There's a big difference. Also says it should go back to an independent CCC, not onwards to the DRA.

I've no idea what aspects of the procedures of the CCC were deemed to be "not in order", but just goes to show how these things almost always come down to technicalities. Seems nobody disputes that the actual true score on the day was Fethard winning by a point after extra time.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2596 - 18/10/2024 09:33:11    2575577

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Replying To Viking66:  "Is that option still on the table?"
I'm sure if the county chairman contacted both clubs to say this will continue on, the fairest option is to just go to a replay, I'm sure that would happen.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 443 - 18/10/2024 09:40:11    2575579

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "I see Leinster strike out the award of the game to Fethard. The CCC didn't follow procedures. So it's again subject to an appeal by Fethard. Maybe both clubs should just agree to a replay at this stage"
The CCC didn't follow procedures? So, another cock-up to add to the referees. How hard is it to follow procedures? Even if you're not sure about them, they are written down in black and white.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2652 - 18/10/2024 09:46:30    2575582

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "I'm sure if the county chairman contacted both clubs to say this will continue on, the fairest option is to just go to a replay, I'm sure that would happen."
Who is to say that has not happened.
Both clubs need to come out now and say if they will agree to a replay. The team that won't should be thrown out. End of.
But of course that is not allowed and would be appealed..

Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 187 - 18/10/2024 09:56:42    2575584

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Replying To WEX98:  "There's plenty of examples where everyone thinks it's a point and the referee thinks different.

The whole issue with over turning this result regardless if Fethard won or not is the potential for huge amounts of objections in the future over disputed scores.

It also seems that they just checked what umpire though and not check if it actually was a point.

Remember the Leinster football final in 2010, who other than the referee though that the Meath goal at the end should have disallowed?"
You are still missing the point. The referee didn't give any indication that he was disallowing a score. If that letter is genuine he didn't disallow a point anyway, he gave Bunclody an extra point.
The referee in the Meath game never awarded the score, and neither did the umpires.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13721 - 18/10/2024 10:18:27    2575591

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "That bit from Twitter that's quoted above says struck out rather than overturned. There's a big difference. Also says it should go back to an independent CCC, not onwards to the DRA.

I've no idea what aspects of the procedures of the CCC were deemed to be "not in order", but just goes to show how these things almost always come down to technicalities. Seems nobody disputes that the actual true score on the day was Fethard winning by a point after extra time."
If that's the case, that noone including the 2 teams "disputes the actual true score on the day was Fethard winning by a point after extra time", if Bunclody were any good they'd concede the game.
Bunclody appealed the CCCs decision, so obviously they genuinely believe that the game was drawn on the field of play?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13721 - 18/10/2024 10:25:38    2575594

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Replying To Paull:  "Who is to say that has not happened.
Both clubs need to come out now and say if they will agree to a replay. The team that won't should be thrown out. End of.
But of course that is not allowed and would be appealed.."
It does seem at this point that's the fairest option for St James, and the winners of the Rathnure/Alley game.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13721 - 18/10/2024 10:27:27    2575595

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Replying To Paull:  "Who is to say that has not happened.
Both clubs need to come out now and say if they will agree to a replay. The team that won't should be thrown out. End of.
But of course that is not allowed and would be appealed.."
They have both been asked on 2 separate occasions. Both have refused.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 727 - 18/10/2024 10:29:12    2575596

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1st time poster,

I would think at this stage it might be in Fethards best interest to let this one go, Everyone knows Fethard won, Everyone in Bunclody knows Fethard won but what we have here is a very stubborn ref who is never going to admit to being wrong, and Bunclody are also being stubborn but are within their rights to be so.

Fethard are currently trying to prepare for a co final in football, If theres a replay agreed, when can this be played - This week before the football? the following week after the football final? and if they were to beat Bunclody again (which I believe they could do so very easily without a whistle happy referee full of his own importance) they will be meeting a strong St James team that have been concentrating on hurling for the past month or more since they were knocked out of the Senior football championship.

so a fresh St James Team meets a fatigued Fethard which in turn could mean this fiasco was all for nothing resulting in Rathnure missing out on a run in Leinster (thats me presuming it will be Rathnure that comes through the other side)

Fethard have a good young team which have lost a number of their top players over the past few years to lads travelling and moving to Australia/ Dubai. ( i believe 8 off the starting team 3 years ago) some of which will be back over the next year or two. Fethard are well capable of getting back up to senior hurling but i think this could be Rathnures year to get back up. Essentially what im saying is i dont think Fethard or Bunclody are going to win it out

thefinest (Wexford) - Posts: 1 - 18/10/2024 10:47:14    2575602

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