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Replying To sligo joe: "This would definitely make it much easier to implement defensive minded systems from a coaching point of view and limit greatly scoring opportunities" That's fair comment. I don't think it's a proposal that will go anywhere, but at least helps us think about the problem and maybe come with ideas. It would, at least, hugely increase the number of kicks. As I said, posters are scrambling about on all sorts of minor issues, but no one is addressing the elephant in the room and, surely, the biggest malaise in the game: the imbalance (3.2 to 1) between handpasses and kicks. Do we really want a game called Gaelic Handball?? Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 292 - 28/06/2024 11:07:25 2555348 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "That's fair comment. I don't think it's a proposal that will go anywhere, but at least helps us think about the problem and maybe come with ideas. It would, at least, hugely increase the number of kicks. As I said, posters are scrambling about on all sorts of minor issues, but no one is addressing the elephant in the room and, surely, the biggest malaise in the game: the imbalance (3.2 to 1) between handpasses and kicks. Do we really want a game called Gaelic Handball??" Ye're great Mick O'Connell said a few years ago that he just calls the game "Gaelic" now as there's so little use of the foot. Has to be a limit on handpassing. Also consider limiting no. of hops solos? Although that would take a long solo run out of the game. Then again a kicked ball travels faster than a solo runner.. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1818 - 28/06/2024 12:42:40 2555370 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "That's fair comment. I don't think it's a proposal that will go anywhere, but at least helps us think about the problem and maybe come with ideas. It would, at least, hugely increase the number of kicks. As I said, posters are scrambling about on all sorts of minor issues, but no one is addressing the elephant in the room and, surely, the biggest malaise in the game: the imbalance (3.2 to 1) between handpasses and kicks. Do we really want a game called Gaelic Handball??" We don't. We don't want Netflix bidding for the GAA rights to show the most entertaining sport on earth either. With with no hitting, a clock telling you to hurry up we want to see more scores on the telly and players directed to kick or handpass in zones of the pitch when they could win a game under the boring rules. Thankfully the people trialling any new proposals are experienced football people and not keyboard warriors like us. Give them time. It won't be perfect. It never was. But don't tell the internet that. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7572 - 28/06/2024 15:00:19 2555413 Link
Anything to be said for banning Mickey Harte from management? Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 30/06/2024 20:14:19 2556047 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Anything to be said for banning Mickey Harte from management?" Give it a rest, Micky Harte manages 1 team, he can't be blamed for every other team's tactics. Grow up. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2132 - 30/06/2024 20:45:18 2556056 Link
Quit blaming managers. The players are grown men and they shoot the lights out at club level but cower responsibility once they pull on a county jersey. Nothing to stop them playing proper football once the game starts, regardless of what they're told. wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1709 - 30/06/2024 21:33:33 2556073 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "Give it a rest, Micky Harte manages 1 team, he can't be blamed for every other team's tactics. Grow up." It was very much a tongue in cheek comment but at the end of the day if a team is set up by their management to play as negatively as Derry were then there's a limit to how much rule changing can fix the problem. He's far from the only one at it but he's been a prime culprit for a very long time now. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 01/07/2024 08:30:35 2556124 Link
Replying To wishfulthinkin: "Quit blaming managers. The players are grown men and they shoot the lights out at club level but cower responsibility once they pull on a county jersey. Nothing to stop them playing proper football once the game starts, regardless of what they're told." How long does a player not following their manager's instructions last before get pulled and replaced? Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 01/07/2024 12:37:37 2556209 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "How long does a player not following their manager's instructions last before get pulled and replaced?" If they don't like the stye of play they should let management know at training. If that doesn't change they can walk. I know a lad playing club football, training is about possession football. He doesn't like the style of football but he loves football and the craic with his team mates more than he dislikes the style of football. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7572 - 01/07/2024 13:53:36 2556251 Link
Only 1 rule change is really needed, remove the back pass to the keeper, in the second half yesterday kerry went man for man but derry could still get a +1 by using the keeper. I think we do need to improve the game, I was at a workshop for these new rules a few weeks ago, there is definitely an interest from the gaa side to improve the game, how many of them will pass Congress is another question. I'd be also concerned that we would go too far and make the game unrecognisable, although I do think there would be some value to making a long-range point worth 2 and a goal 4 with a regular point 1 that should change the defensive emphasis although there might be a danger of cementing that defensive arc as part of the game. Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1639 - 01/07/2024 14:36:43 2556273 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "If they don't like the stye of play they should let management know at training. If that doesn't change they can walk. I know a lad playing club football, training is about possession football. He doesn't like the style of football but he loves football and the craic with his team mates more than he dislikes the style of football." Yeah exactly, it's the managers way or the highway for the most part, that's why they should get more of the blame for the poor style. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 01/07/2024 19:39:13 2556368 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "How long does a player not following their manager's instructions last before get pulled and replaced?" They are adults..its a hobby...the manager can't pull 15 of them. wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1709 - 02/07/2024 00:02:11 2556412 Link
Replying To Barrowsider: "Only 1 rule change is really needed, remove the back pass to the keeper, in the second half yesterday kerry went man for man but derry could still get a +1 by using the keeper. I think we do need to improve the game, I was at a workshop for these new rules a few weeks ago, there is definitely an interest from the gaa side to improve the game, how many of them will pass Congress is another question. I'd be also concerned that we would go too far and make the game unrecognisable, although I do think there would be some value to making a long-range point worth 2 and a goal 4 with a regular point 1 that should change the defensive emphasis although there might be a danger of cementing that defensive arc as part of the game." I agree on the back pass to the keeper - that would help a lot. Do it right away. As for a lot of the other changes suggested - some are with merit but I don't think the game is as broken as everyone is suggesting. You get good games and bad games in all sports. The bigger issue in football is with the championship format being discussed on other threads here and the rush to complete the championships before anyone notices that they're on. If we change the format and the timing of games and throw in a lot of rule changes at the same time we'll dilute the game further. I think the suggested rule changes are a lower priority than sorting out the championship structure and timing. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 330 - 02/07/2024 11:00:13 2556452 Link
Replying To brianb: "I agree on the back pass to the keeper - that would help a lot. Do it right away. As for a lot of the other changes suggested - some are with merit but I don't think the game is as broken as everyone is suggesting. You get good games and bad games in all sports. The bigger issue in football is with the championship format being discussed on other threads here and the rush to complete the championships before anyone notices that they're on. If we change the format and the timing of games and throw in a lot of rule changes at the same time we'll dilute the game further. I think the suggested rule changes are a lower priority than sorting out the championship structure and timing." 85% of GPA want the Inter County season timeframe kept as is. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1818 - 02/07/2024 11:33:47 2556454 Link
Replying To wishfulthinkin: "They are adults..its a hobby...the manager can't pull 15 of them." Thats a whole different type of sport eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 242 - 02/07/2024 12:00:17 2556471 Link
Replying To brianb: "I agree on the back pass to the keeper - that would help a lot. Do it right away. As for a lot of the other changes suggested - some are with merit but I don't think the game is as broken as everyone is suggesting. You get good games and bad games in all sports. The bigger issue in football is with the championship format being discussed on other threads here and the rush to complete the championships before anyone notices that they're on. If we change the format and the timing of games and throw in a lot of rule changes at the same time we'll dilute the game further. I think the suggested rule changes are a lower priority than sorting out the championship structure and timing." The round robin is not needed. Just there for TV revenue. Supporters avoiding it because there's too many games when money's too tight to mention. Too many players getting injured loading games in a tight timeframe at the decisive end of the championship. The lack of jeopardy for those games also impacts the quality of the provincial games. Teams deciding to peak later. Provincials not level playing field both in standards and number of games. Put provincials in with rounds of the league and find a way to play top 13, promoted Div 3 teams and Tailteann winners in All Ireland. So your league last 4 rounds could get spicy with teams looking to stay up, avoid Tailteann, get seedings. 4 All Ireland open draw rounds. Draw the fixtures after each round. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7572 - 02/07/2024 12:03:26 2556474 Link
Replying To wishfulthinkin: "They are adults..its a hobby...the manager can't pull 15 of them." Be serious Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 02/07/2024 13:13:25 2556500 Link
Replying To brianb: "I agree on the back pass to the keeper - that would help a lot. Do it right away. As for a lot of the other changes suggested - some are with merit but I don't think the game is as broken as everyone is suggesting. You get good games and bad games in all sports. The bigger issue in football is with the championship format being discussed on other threads here and the rush to complete the championships before anyone notices that they're on. If we change the format and the timing of games and throw in a lot of rule changes at the same time we'll dilute the game further. I think the suggested rule changes are a lower priority than sorting out the championship structure and timing." I'll agree with that. At least a two week break between matches, helps players rest and give families a chance to gather up a lock of pound for next match. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2132 - 02/07/2024 13:56:01 2556521 Link
Replying To eslinchickenmaryland: "I'd have a rule that inter county managers must be from the county they are managing or have some connection with it e.g. parent rule or working there. Same goes with club managers, perhaps with a 10 mile limit for those that might be bordering another county." Of course this is a great idea. Why should the managers not be subject to the same rules as the players? It would, in one fell swoop, curtail the outrageous manager industry which has sprung up over the last 20 years, or so. It might also end the back-room industry whereby all sorts of 'professionals' ranging from physiotherapists to psychologists are being paid - contrary to the amateur ethos of the GAA. Surely, there are physiotherapists who would do the work on a voluntary basis? Why are they not being used? Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 292 - 03/07/2024 13:23:59 2556724 Link
Replying To MrPBoylan: "Getting rid or restricting the handpass would completely alter the game and send us back to the 1950's in terms of style. I wouldn't like to see that happen because good players and teams can manipulate space with the handpass and use it to get better shots or kick passes away. Think of Owen Mulligan and Peter Canavan goal from that famous All Ireland, or most goals for the last 20 years have been created with a handpass in the build up." So, you are happy with 3 times as many handpasses as kicks? And, obviously, you favour renaming the game to 'Handball'. Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 292 - 03/07/2024 13:27:57 2556725 Link