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Current speculation: 1. 3v3: Having to keep at least 3 in each half after red or black cards as well. 2. Goalkeeper passing: Not being able to pass to the keeper after halfway as well OR the goalkeeper only being allowed to kick pass when recieving possession from a teammate. 3. Goals: 4 points for a goal could be back on the menu. The speculation is that rule changes will be after the league in time for the provincial championships. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8566 - 01/03/2025 06:17:38 2593851 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Current speculation: 1. 3v3: Having to keep at least 3 in each half after red or black cards as well. 2. Goalkeeper passing: Not being able to pass to the keeper after halfway as well OR the goalkeeper only being allowed to kick pass when recieving possession from a teammate. 3. Goals: 4 points for a goal could be back on the menu. The speculation is that rule changes will be after the league in time for the provincial championships." I would definitely be all for a goal worth 4 points. I wasn't initially, but with the ease at which some teams are converting the 2-pointers the incentive for goals has to be better, and I was originally adamant that a goal should stay at 3 points. I like the long-range kicking, some great scores from it so that has to stay in my view as it's great to watch. I still think the keeper should have to stay in the large rectangle and can only leave to compete for a ball. Yvrjd (Galway) - Posts: 8 - 01/03/2025 08:45:08 2593863 Link
Replying To Yvrjd: "I would definitely be all for a goal worth 4 points. I wasn't initially, but with the ease at which some teams are converting the 2-pointers the incentive for goals has to be better, and I was originally adamant that a goal should stay at 3 points. I like the long-range kicking, some great scores from it so that has to stay in my view as it's great to watch. I still think the keeper should have to stay in the large rectangle and can only leave to compete for a ball." I don't like the change of the scoring system… it just distorts the scores and giving 4pts for a goal is just total nonsense… Revert to points worth 1 from every where and then the goal becomes more important.. simple really… Any county player worth his salt should be able to kick long range points ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3544 - 01/03/2025 09:53:34 2593872 Link
Replying To Yvrjd: "I would definitely be all for a goal worth 4 points. I wasn't initially, but with the ease at which some teams are converting the 2-pointers the incentive for goals has to be better, and I was originally adamant that a goal should stay at 3 points. I like the long-range kicking, some great scores from it so that has to stay in my view as it's great to watch. I still think the keeper should have to stay in the large rectangle and can only leave to compete for a ball." I'd be more in favour of 4 points for a goal after what we've seen so far. I think the two pointers have to be retained to reward the riskier score. Not against the idea of the keeper competing for his own ball. If the keeper not handpassing in the opponent's half is the compromise solution, I might be ok with it. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8566 - 01/03/2025 11:16:47 2593880 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "I'd be more in favour of 4 points for a goal after what we've seen so far. I think the two pointers have to be retained to reward the riskier score. Not against the idea of the keeper competing for his own ball. If the keeper not handpassing in the opponent's half is the compromise solution, I might be ok with it." Definitely think the 4 points for a goal should now be introduced, I was against it initially as I assumed if a team scored 1 or 2 goals the game would get away from the opposition, but having seen the success of teams scoring 2 pointers teams can be 6/8 points down now very quickly and if 4 for a goal was introduced it would get teams back in the game ie 1 goal would rule out the advantage of two 2 pointers, plus i think at 3 points for a goal now, that teams are maybe encouraged to go for 2 pointers instead 1951andwaiting (Galway) - Posts: 90 - 01/03/2025 11:56:44 2593882 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "I don't like the change of the scoring system… it just distorts the scores and giving 4pts for a goal is just total nonsense… Revert to points worth 1 from every where and then the goal becomes more important.. simple really… Any county player worth his salt should be able to kick long range points" I'd definitely agree about a point should be worth a point in reality it's 45 yards out these are county players sone new rules good not passing back keeper initially I was not in favour but after being at few matches am now the keeping 3 up all times in fairness I think teams should always have being doing that not a fan of handing ball back if left on ground that should be good enough and brining ball forward 50 meters not a fan Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 1017 - 01/03/2025 12:21:27 2593886 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "I don't like the change of the scoring system… it just distorts the scores and giving 4pts for a goal is just total nonsense… Revert to points worth 1 from every where and then the goal becomes more important.. simple really… Any county player worth his salt should be able to kick long range points" You must have been some baller on whatever junior b team you played for. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8295 - 01/03/2025 12:29:47 2593888 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "I'd be more in favour of 4 points for a goal after what we've seen so far. I think the two pointers have to be retained to reward the riskier score. Not against the idea of the keeper competing for his own ball. If the keeper not handpassing in the opponent's half is the compromise solution, I might be ok with it." To keep a goal worth three one-pointers, an alternative change could be: award a two-pointer for every second such score (1,2,1,2 etc, so they average 1.5 pts). So, six 'arcs' are worth 9 pts and seven are worth 10. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3105 - 01/03/2025 13:44:06 2593894 Link
Replying To omahant: "To keep a goal worth three one-pointers, an alternative change could be: award a two-pointer for every second such score (1,2,1,2 etc, so they average 1.5 pts). So, six 'arcs' are worth 9 pts and seven are worth 10." Not at all. With you catch yourself on! 4-2-1 if goals need more value. No complication. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8566 - 01/03/2025 15:13:06 2593905 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "You must have been some baller on whatever junior b team you played for." Never played at your low level Flaker but that's not the point…. County players should be able to kick long range points without any extra incentive.. and any thoughts of increasing a goals value to 4pts is just making more of a mockery of the game… Having to hand the ball back to a player is like something you'd make a 4 year old do… it's embarrassing to see adults having to do it…. Place the ball on the ground and walk away would do fine…. ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3544 - 01/03/2025 18:04:59 2593939 Link
If the 2-pointers go then the great long range points we've seen so far this year go too, why bother going for a goal when it's only worth one point more, I'd like to see 4-2-1, and a shock collar put around all keepers :) Yvrjd (Galway) - Posts: 8 - 01/03/2025 18:59:49 2593970 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Not at all. With you catch yourself on! 4-2-1 if goals need more value. No complication." I hear you on"complication" - but as 3-1.5-1 (rounding down), there are two main advantages: - total scores would remain more traditional (+ BP for pair of arcs) - goal is still worth 3 one-pointers (if that's the desire). omahant (USA) - Posts: 3105 - 02/03/2025 13:22:11 2594108 Link
The FRC will have to be careful not to make drastic changes. I would tend to agree with the following tweaks: 3v3: Having to keep 3 in both halves after red or black cards. Goals: Increase goal value to 4 points. Goalkeeper passing: When a goalkeeper receives possession beyond halfway from a teammate, he should not be allowed to handpass. (The drastic option is preventing any passing to the keeper outside of the large square. If the intention is to prevent piggy in the middle, not allowing the keeper to handpass could be a fair compromise.) legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8566 - 03/03/2025 09:18:32 2594332 Link
I would make a few tweaks also 1. Game finishes on last play when the siren goes - like rugby - I don't like the current anti climax 2. Get rid of the 2 point punishment for technical infringements/throwing the ball away - 1 point is enough 3. Kicks outs and free taking to be 30 seconds 4. In case of black card - team still has to keep 3 up. 5. in case of red card - team allowed to drop 12 into own half in defence 6. Kick outs - defender should be able to collect ball inside the 40m arch as long as he is outside it when the keeper kicks the ball. 7. Keeper in attack - prevent him from handpassing the ball - kicking only tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1245 - 03/03/2025 10:50:36 2594369 Link
On the 3 up/back infringement, at the end in Tuam yesterday, Galway needed 2 pointer to level so if Tyrone had an extra forward in defence (just for exaggeration say they dropped everyone back) and play continued and Galway eventually won a free inside the arc and they aren't allowed to bring it out for a 2 pointer, they score the free and Tyrone win by a point so then it was worth it for Tyrone to break the 3 up/back rule. Tribes88 (Galway) - Posts: 33 - 03/03/2025 15:22:06 2594460 Link
Replying To omahant: "To keep a goal worth three one-pointers, an alternative change could be: award a two-pointer for every second such score (1,2,1,2 etc, so they average 1.5 pts). So, six 'arcs' are worth 9 pts and seven are worth 10." And if player was born on an even month i.e. Feb, April, etc and is more than 6' tall and his mother comes from a coastal county, award 10 points for over the bar, 20 points for a goal, and 2 points for a wide....... Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 322 - 03/03/2025 17:02:41 2594506 Link
Replying To tirawleybaron: "I would make a few tweaks also 1. Game finishes on last play when the siren goes - like rugby - I don't like the current anti climax 2. Get rid of the 2 point punishment for technical infringements/throwing the ball away - 1 point is enough 3. Kicks outs and free taking to be 30 seconds 4. In case of black card - team still has to keep 3 up. 5. in case of red card - team allowed to drop 12 into own half in defence 6. Kick outs - defender should be able to collect ball inside the 40m arch as long as he is outside it when the keeper kicks the ball. 7. Keeper in attack - prevent him from handpassing the ball - kicking only" I concur on most of your suggestions except the hooter. The 20 second rule was exposed badly up in Armagh with both Rafferty and young Comerford penalised harshly.Timing the frees would be fair too as time can be wasted easily slowing the free taking. brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 14 - 03/03/2025 17:14:42 2594511 Link
Replying To Aibrean: "And if player was born on an even month i.e. Feb, April, etc and is more than 6' tall and his mother comes from a coastal county, award 10 points for over the bar, 20 points for a goal, and 2 points for a wide......." What if his mother was born on an aeroplane? GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7815 - 03/03/2025 17:20:56 2594514 Link
Replying To Tribes88: "On the 3 up/back infringement, at the end in Tuam yesterday, Galway needed 2 pointer to level so if Tyrone had an extra forward in defence (just for exaggeration say they dropped everyone back) and play continued and Galway eventually won a free inside the arc and they aren't allowed to bring it out for a 2 pointer, they score the free and Tyrone win by a point so then it was worth it for Tyrone to break the 3 up/back rule." I know Tyrone have a reputation for the dark arts but your really over thinking this one. if a rule that doenst exist gave Tyrone the chance to be cynical, they would do it and poor Galway would be beaten!!! Relax and enjoy Galway kicking long range points and being rewarded for it, stop worrying about big bad Tyrone ruining football. tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1245 - 03/03/2025 18:41:12 2594538 Link
I've been skeptical about the rule changes from the start, feeling they were introduced too quickly. That said, the intent is clear-to move away from rugby league-style tactics that were harming the game. Aside from a few minor adjustments, I wouldn't change much for now. It's also worth noting that coaches and players have yet to fully adapt, and most of the criticism has stemmed from technical fouls caused by lapses in concentration rather than fundamental flaws in the rules. I usually avoid comparing sports, but it's relevant to mention that before 1992, association football allowed goalkeepers to pick up back-passes from teammates-a rule that made many matches, particularly in Italy, nearly unwatchable. While it took time to adjust, the sport evolved positively, with unintended benefits stemming from that one simple change. My point is, let's give these changes a chance. In time, we might see our own version of a beautiful game emerge. Galway4ever (Galway) - Posts: 218 - 03/03/2025 19:36:15 2594551 Link