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Replying To ORIELMAN85: "And look where club rugby has gone. No thanks. The clubs are the GAA. Jan. to end of July is more than enough for County football. County pre-season training needs to be limited and monitored, with breaches leading to heavy penalties. Penalties like banning counties from the Championship would soon ensure compliance." Where has club rugby gone?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 10/09/2024 21:57:57
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Where has club rugby gone?" That's his game… rugby.. he was never at a GAA match in his life…!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 11/09/2024 13:01:34
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I see Jim Gavin the FRC chairman has indicated that figures from a national survey show that most people would like to see more kicking, high fielding, long range points, more goal scoring chances and a more creative style of play - who would of thought?
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Replying To tireoghainabu: "I see Jim Gavin the FRC chairman has indicated that figures from a national survey show that most people would like to see more kicking, high fielding, long range points, more goal scoring chances and a more creative style of play - who would of thought?" It took some amount of working out for the committee to come up with that one… a look at the paltry attendance figures surely gave them some prior notice of people's opinions….!!!!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 11/09/2024 17:12:53
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In my opinion one major difference in football now and 20 years ago is that the gaa did way 2 much messing with the rules it's crazy all the messing they doing and unfortunately will continue to do so also since 2000 they have changed the structure 3 if not 4 times and all these committee are a joke if thet keep messing with rules and structure no one will referee games playes will stop playing,,
Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 953 - 11/09/2024 17:46:20
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Replying To tireoghainabu: "I see Jim Gavin the FRC chairman has indicated that figures from a national survey show that most people would like to see more kicking, high fielding, long range points, more goal scoring chances and a more creative style of play - who would of thought?" Before the mark came in a few years ago this list was identical to what people wanted. Why are people trying to say this is based on recent style of games. It definitely isn't.
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Can anybody indicate if at least some the proposals the Football Review Committee are coming up with are intended for the inter-county game only?
I simply can't see them working at club level. Examples:
1 - The countdown clock and hooter. How do you implement this at every club game, down to some sort of Junior B league match? Is it to be like the LGFA, where club matches are still timed the 'ordinary' way?
2 - The 40-metre arc. Picture a match on a club pitch with faded lines, and a well-intentioned but perhaps slow and somewhat unfit referee. Somebody shoots a point and insists he was half a metre outside the arc when he kicked it. The opposition claim he was half a metre inside. The referee was 30 metres away and can't be sure, because the line is faded. Imagine the sort of controversies there would be.
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Replying To Kickitout: "In my opinion one major difference in football now and 20 years ago is that the gaa did way 2 much messing with the rules it's crazy all the messing they doing and unfortunately will continue to do so also since 2000 they have changed the structure 3 if not 4 times and all these committee are a joke if thet keep messing with rules and structure no one will referee games playes will stop playing,," I 100% agree…. They keep messing with the rules and have brought nothing new in that has really improved the game as a spectacle…. Another raft of changes will as you say put people off referring the games as even at the moment they have far too much to deal with… this will lead to further frustration amongst spectators and players alike… All this meddling is just destroying the game… They would be far better off getting rid of the ridiculous forward mark completely and ditching the silly black card… both dumped would help refeeres for a start while improving the game…. But the GAA hate admitting to getting anything wrong, another flaw in their make up…..!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 12/09/2024 07:09:57
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My take on some of these proposals.
People want more goal scoring chances created so I get that and therefore make it 4 points for a goal. But people also want more long range points so that's to be 2 points. Are these two things not kinda mutually exclusive, to some extent anyway?
If teams are taking more long shots for 2 pointers then that's probably less goal scoring chances will be created, unless the kick drops short or hits the post. Also 2 pointers will look great when they are landed at senior inter county level but down at club level nothing worse than watching bad players/teams, and there's plenty, taking pot shots that are regularly going wide turning a game into constant wides and kick outs, so ball is more regularly out of play = yawn.
Also teams that don't have many accurate 2 point shooters, like most clubs, will then focus on avoiding one point and going all out for more goals but that then means teams will defend at all costs around their goalmouth putting as many back as allowed and more or less saying go and have your one point but you're not getting in for a goal. So the play keeps getting recycled from say 20 metre line which will be like a wall of defenders, back out and so on so it becomes likes phases of attack like rugby. Not sure that would be a great open spectacle.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1430 - 12/09/2024 09:19:57
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "I 100% agree…. They keep messing with the rules and have brought nothing new in that has really improved the game as a spectacle…. Another raft of changes will as you say put people off referring the games as even at the moment they have far too much to deal with… this will lead to further frustration amongst spectators and players alike… All this meddling is just destroying the game… They would be far better off getting rid of the ridiculous forward mark completely and ditching the silly black card… both dumped would help refeeres for a start while improving the game…. But the GAA hate admitting to getting anything wrong, another flaw in their make up…..!" Getting rid of the black card? You are absolutely clueless.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 12/09/2024 10:31:03
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Replying To Onion Breath: "My take on some of these proposals.
People want more goal scoring chances created so I get that and therefore make it 4 points for a goal. But people also want more long range points so that's to be 2 points. Are these two things not kinda mutually exclusive, to some extent anyway?
If teams are taking more long shots for 2 pointers then that's probably less goal scoring chances will be created, unless the kick drops short or hits the post. Also 2 pointers will look great when they are landed at senior inter county level but down at club level nothing worse than watching bad players/teams, and there's plenty, taking pot shots that are regularly going wide turning a game into constant wides and kick outs, so ball is more regularly out of play = yawn.
Also teams that don't have many accurate 2 point shooters, like most clubs, will then focus on avoiding one point and going all out for more goals but that then means teams will defend at all costs around their goalmouth putting as many back as allowed and more or less saying go and have your one point but you're not getting in for a goal. So the play keeps getting recycled from say 20 metre line which will be like a wall of defenders, back out and so on so it becomes likes phases of attack like rugby. Not sure that would be a great open spectacle." While I totally think football needs to be improved as a spectacle I'm worried that new rules will be passed in November and become operational in the NFL 2 months later without any trial runs.
The League could descend into total farce.
And still amazed that despite 3 times more handpassing than 15 years ago the flickball is totally ignored.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1952 - 12/09/2024 10:59:34
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Getting rid of the black card? You are absolutely clueless." Are you clueless….: what exactly has the black card done to improve the game… No 2 referees interpret the same way…is 2 cards not enough to deal with any incidents….? If ever a rule was brought in because of a knee jerk reaction to a comment made on tv that was it…. Not one player, supporter, referee or manager in the country would complain if the black card was binned….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 12/09/2024 13:09:28
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "While I totally think football needs to be improved as a spectacle I'm worried that new rules will be passed in November and become operational in the NFL 2 months later without any trial runs.
The League could descend into total farce.
And still amazed that despite 3 times more handpassing than 15 years ago the flickball is totally ignored." The handpass should be confined to two passes, then the ball must be kicked. Can someone clarify what defines a mark, and is it necessary.
thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 12/09/2024 13:42:59
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Replying To Onion Breath: "My take on some of these proposals.
People want more goal scoring chances created so I get that and therefore make it 4 points for a goal. But people also want more long range points so that's to be 2 points. Are these two things not kinda mutually exclusive, to some extent anyway?
If teams are taking more long shots for 2 pointers then that's probably less goal scoring chances will be created, unless the kick drops short or hits the post. Also 2 pointers will look great when they are landed at senior inter county level but down at club level nothing worse than watching bad players/teams, and there's plenty, taking pot shots that are regularly going wide turning a game into constant wides and kick outs, so ball is more regularly out of play = yawn.
Also teams that don't have many accurate 2 point shooters, like most clubs, will then focus on avoiding one point and going all out for more goals but that then means teams will defend at all costs around their goalmouth putting as many back as allowed and more or less saying go and have your one point but you're not getting in for a goal. So the play keeps getting recycled from say 20 metre line which will be like a wall of defenders, back out and so on so it becomes likes phases of attack like rugby. Not sure that would be a great open spectacle." Some good points there. Could that be a miss with the rules committee? Playing all the sandbox games with intercounty players. Perhaps a few junior teams should trial them as well?
The idea behind the 2 points rule is to go over the blanket defence - draw it out and leave more space in behind for a four point goal. I think the proposed scores are wrong though. No way is a point kicked from 35 yards worth twice as much as one kicked from 25 and half as much as a goal.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 352 - 12/09/2024 13:47:36
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Are you clueless….: what exactly has the black card done to improve the game… No 2 referees interpret the same way…is 2 cards not enough to deal with any incidents….? If ever a rule was brought in because of a knee jerk reaction to a comment made on tv that was it…. Not one player, supporter, referee or manager in the country would complain if the black card was binned…." And what's your counter proposal for cynical fouling? Good if you have one but of course you never stated it.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 12/09/2024 14:14:45
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FRC '3 Up / 3 Back' Rule.
Could someone explain the '3 Back' part.
It seems a blanket-defence minded team can keep '3 Up / 11 Back'.
How does this promote long kicking after a defensive turnover by the 'adventurous team', given possible outnumbered '11v3' down field?
To counter, are we are back to a 'short hand pass procession' like before?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2889 - 12/09/2024 14:36:32
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Before the mark came in a few years ago this list was identical to what people wanted. Why are people trying to say this is based on recent style of games. It definitely isn't." Why do you think the Review Committee have recommended such radical changes to our games? It is because they realise the current style of football is becoming unwatchable. I think the proposed changes will be a nightmare for referees to enforce but something has to be done. How anyone can say that 29 players inside the 50 yard line is acceptable is beyond me.
tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 338 - 12/09/2024 15:22:07
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Just stop the goalie being able to run out beyond his own 21 yard line (and that includes for free kicks), player must kick the ball after a handpass and trial the 3 and 3. That's all that is needed.
The increase in points doesn't make any sense to me and impossible to referee. Imagine a county final, final kick of the game and there's murder about whether the ball was kicked inside a line or outside it for 2 points to win a game by one point.
eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 12/09/2024 15:53:47
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Replying To brianb: "Some good points there. Could that be a miss with the rules committee? Playing all the sandbox games with intercounty players. Perhaps a few junior teams should trial them as well?
The idea behind the 2 points rule is to go over the blanket defence - draw it out and leave more space in behind for a four point goal. I think the proposed scores are wrong though. No way is a point kicked from 35 yards worth twice as much as one kicked from 25 and half as much as a goal." The proposed 2 pointer is from 40 metres (44yds), not 35 yds. Which I suppose, wind assisted from in front of goals is not unusual but on average a 40 metre point from play is fairly impressive.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 793 - 12/09/2024 15:57:52
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Replying To Pikeman96: "Can anybody indicate if at least some the proposals the Football Review Committee are coming up with are intended for the inter-county game only?
I simply can't see them working at club level. Examples:
1 - The countdown clock and hooter. How do you implement this at every club game, down to some sort of Junior B league match? Is it to be like the LGFA, where club matches are still timed the 'ordinary' way?
2 - The 40-metre arc. Picture a match on a club pitch with faded lines, and a well-intentioned but perhaps slow and somewhat unfit referee. Somebody shoots a point and insists he was half a metre outside the arc when he kicked it. The opposition claim he was half a metre inside. The referee was 30 metres away and can't be sure, because the line is faded. Imagine the sort of controversies there would be." The one with most potential is the "Gaelic Offside" needing 3 players up at all times. It wouldn't be easy on refs but possibly doable at club the others are not really workable at all.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 12/09/2024 17:10:56
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