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Replying To Barrowsider: "I like the solo and go idea, it should speed up the game, I'd like to make sure it's solo and go forward though.
Bringing the mark to a ball caught inside the 20 from outside the 45 makes sense.
Keeping 3 inside the 65 could be tricky for refs more so" Solo and go…. A rugby move for sure.. complete nonsense
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Solo and go…. A rugby move for sure.. complete nonsense" Less time wasting on frees surely a good thing
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1661 - 12/06/2024 10:44:24
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Not a single thing about restricting handpassing or at least preventing backwards hand passing. What an utter waste of time.
eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 12/06/2024 11:00:22
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Replying To legendzxix: "I disagree. A free can hold up the game. The solo and go can speed up these delays, and keep momentum for the attacking team." The biggest hold up when it comes to frees and the like is goalkeepers strolling up the pitch to take 45's and other frees yet there seems to be no problem with this at all
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How about a rule where all players must wear sleeveless shirts and have blonde highlights an aussie accents?
Or how about an new rule where if you dont wear a blur jersey you must concede home advantage to the team in the blue jersey who can choose Croker as the venue?
Utter nonsense these rule changes and the audacity of the GAA to put the ex Dublin manager in charge... A man who was given a blank cheque book by the GAA and free reign of Croke park for his professional team (made professional by the GAA)
Rule - keep 4 players inside the 65 so the dubs have more space to obliterate the honest amateur teams who dont have access to UCD sports science facilities or access to a professional backroom team of all sorts of coaches (poor limerick get called out while Dublin have had that luxury for 10 years!). Amateur teams with only the chance to train collectively once a week!
Rule - Bring on 6 subs so the dubs can give more lads a run when they are 20 points up against these honest amateur teams!
How about rules to deal with the elephant in the room - Financial and Administrative rules??
I dont see that mentioned anywhere in the GAA's new top brass' report!!
How about a rule that only 1 manager 2 selectors (who can be made up of football, S&C, good old farmer people) a physio and a kit person can only make up the backroom team - 5 people and no-one else! Nobody else allowed be involved. Then counties like leitrim and many others dont have to succumb to the financial pressures of competing with teams that are not far off premier league setups
How about a rule that teams be sponsored by local irish businesses like the time Kerry were fined for trying to go outside that rule. But ok for Dublin to get multi million sponsorship deals with whoever they want. Remember the photoshoots with the All-Blacks??
How about a rule that all counties get the same number of professionally paid GAA coaches and not one for one county and 50 for another
How about bringing the club football back in line with the intercounty so that players have to be released from county duty like they were back in the day and play for their clubs. Like international breaks in soccer where counties an only get together a few weeks before County games. The way things are going there will be more attending club games than county games anyway!
how about a rule that a new organisation is formed that removes all the current "members" and that organisation control all money made by all teams and distribute it evenly among counties with one pot where all intercounty teams get the same amount and then all clubs within the country get the same amount.
the GAA have destroyed gaelic games by not only allowing but enabling a huge gulf in "standards" between counties and now they are trying to plaster over the wounds by more reactive token gesture rule changes that will have absolutely no impact on any counties only the current few top teams.
The reason we are in this situation is because Jim McGuinness and co had to think of ways to beat the professional team so the only way was to throw everyone behind the ball. And now the then manager who detested the blanket defense the most is teh head of the new rules review committee. Laughable!!!!
All that going to happen is Jim and the other intelligent managers will devise a way to counter these new rules and we will have a new review committee in another 5 years.
Leave the rules as they are for now until you deal with the elephant in the room!
And why dont the GAA bring in a proper external review committee (dont know... maybe pay top ex Premier League CEOs or top Auusie Rules CEO) to do a proper report on the state of our game
I doubt they would want to open pandora's box though!
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Can anybody go to these "sandbox" games?
ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 12/06/2024 14:19:42
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I'd have a rule that inter county managers must be from the county they are managing or have some connection with it e.g. parent rule or working there. Same goes with club managers, perhaps with a 10 mile limit for those that might be bordering another county.
eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 12/06/2024 14:20:29
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Replying To Aibrean: "You will recall that the Committee was instituted, following the John Tobin lead Standing Committee on Playing Rules Report, which concluded that the main problem was the proliferation of the handpass: 421 handpasses v 130 kickpasses per game. I think almost everyone agrees that the handpass is a problem.
Yet, the 'new proposals', inexplicably, do not address this issue. I can't understand it; can anyone." I think the idea is that the new proposals would draw out the defence, create more space and motivate more kicking, thereby indirectly lowering handpasses.
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Replying To JonnieG: "How about a rule where all players must wear sleeveless shirts and have blonde highlights an aussie accents?
Or how about an new rule where if you dont wear a blur jersey you must concede home advantage to the team in the blue jersey who can choose Croker as the venue?
Utter nonsense these rule changes and the audacity of the GAA to put the ex Dublin manager in charge... A man who was given a blank cheque book by the GAA and free reign of Croke park for his professional team (made professional by the GAA)
Rule - keep 4 players inside the 65 so the dubs have more space to obliterate the honest amateur teams who dont have access to UCD sports science facilities or access to a professional backroom team of all sorts of coaches (poor limerick get called out while Dublin have had that luxury for 10 years!). Amateur teams with only the chance to train collectively once a week!
Rule - Bring on 6 subs so the dubs can give more lads a run when they are 20 points up against these honest amateur teams!
How about rules to deal with the elephant in the room - Financial and Administrative rules??
I dont see that mentioned anywhere in the GAA's new top brass' report!!
How about a rule that only 1 manager 2 selectors (who can be made up of football, S&C, good old farmer people) a physio and a kit person can only make up the backroom team - 5 people and no-one else! Nobody else allowed be involved. Then counties like leitrim and many others dont have to succumb to the financial pressures of competing with teams that are not far off premier league setups
How about a rule that teams be sponsored by local irish businesses like the time Kerry were fined for trying to go outside that rule. But ok for Dublin to get multi million sponsorship deals with whoever they want. Remember the photoshoots with the All-Blacks??
How about a rule that all counties get the same number of professionally paid GAA coaches and not one for one county and 50 for another
How about bringing the club football back in line with the intercounty so that players have to be released from county duty like they were back in the day and play for their clubs. Like international breaks in soccer where counties an only get together a few weeks before County games. The way things are going there will be more attending club games than county games anyway!
how about a rule that a new organisation is formed that removes all the current "members" and that organisation control all money made by all teams and distribute it evenly among counties with one pot where all intercounty teams get the same amount and then all clubs within the country get the same amount.
the GAA have destroyed gaelic games by not only allowing but enabling a huge gulf in "standards" between counties and now they are trying to plaster over the wounds by more reactive token gesture rule changes that will have absolutely no impact on any counties only the current few top teams.
The reason we are in this situation is because Jim McGuinness and co had to think of ways to beat the professional team so the only way was to throw everyone behind the ball. And now the then manager who detested the blanket defense the most is teh head of the new rules review committee. Laughable!!!!
All that going to happen is Jim and the other intelligent managers will devise a way to counter these new rules and we will have a new review committee in another 5 years.
Leave the rules as they are for now until you deal with the elephant in the room!
And why dont the GAA bring in a proper external review committee (dont know... maybe pay top ex Premier League CEOs or top Auusie Rules CEO) to do a proper report on the state of our game
I doubt they would want to open pandora's box though!" I found myself nodding along with a lot of what you said there - indeed Jim Gavin would never agree with giving up the sponsorship opportunities offered on the jersey sleeve.
I don't think its as simple as limiting the backrooms though. I believe what is good for Dublin should be available to all counties. If professional S&C is available for the Dublin senior team then the GAA should rule that all teams get this and paid from central funds. If a nutritionist provides meals for the Dublin senior team then the GAA should rule that all teams get this provided and paid for from central funds. Fairly quickly you'd get to a point where the GAA would rule against these financial advantages.
Even the premier league identified that there was a need to rule somewhat on finances and see some form of "fair play". It shouldn't be too much to ask for a level paying field in our amateur game.
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Good review, fair play to Jim Gavin, looking forward to seeing all of these introduced.
Frees out of hand - stealing metres is a problem, but more important making the angle a lot easier - it's gone beyond a joke at this stage. Bring on the foam - or better still, frees only off the ground.
points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 275 - 12/06/2024 16:30:11
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Replying To JonnieG: "How about a rule where all players must wear sleeveless shirts and have blonde highlights an aussie accents?
Or how about an new rule where if you dont wear a blur jersey you must concede home advantage to the team in the blue jersey who can choose Croker as the venue?
Utter nonsense these rule changes and the audacity of the GAA to put the ex Dublin manager in charge... A man who was given a blank cheque book by the GAA and free reign of Croke park for his professional team (made professional by the GAA)
Rule - keep 4 players inside the 65 so the dubs have more space to obliterate the honest amateur teams who dont have access to UCD sports science facilities or access to a professional backroom team of all sorts of coaches (poor limerick get called out while Dublin have had that luxury for 10 years!). Amateur teams with only the chance to train collectively once a week!
Rule - Bring on 6 subs so the dubs can give more lads a run when they are 20 points up against these honest amateur teams!
How about rules to deal with the elephant in the room - Financial and Administrative rules??
I dont see that mentioned anywhere in the GAA's new top brass' report!!
How about a rule that only 1 manager 2 selectors (who can be made up of football, S&C, good old farmer people) a physio and a kit person can only make up the backroom team - 5 people and no-one else! Nobody else allowed be involved. Then counties like leitrim and many others dont have to succumb to the financial pressures of competing with teams that are not far off premier league setups
How about a rule that teams be sponsored by local irish businesses like the time Kerry were fined for trying to go outside that rule. But ok for Dublin to get multi million sponsorship deals with whoever they want. Remember the photoshoots with the All-Blacks??
How about a rule that all counties get the same number of professionally paid GAA coaches and not one for one county and 50 for another
How about bringing the club football back in line with the intercounty so that players have to be released from county duty like they were back in the day and play for their clubs. Like international breaks in soccer where counties an only get together a few weeks before County games. The way things are going there will be more attending club games than county games anyway!
how about a rule that a new organisation is formed that removes all the current "members" and that organisation control all money made by all teams and distribute it evenly among counties with one pot where all intercounty teams get the same amount and then all clubs within the country get the same amount.
the GAA have destroyed gaelic games by not only allowing but enabling a huge gulf in "standards" between counties and now they are trying to plaster over the wounds by more reactive token gesture rule changes that will have absolutely no impact on any counties only the current few top teams.
The reason we are in this situation is because Jim McGuinness and co had to think of ways to beat the professional team so the only way was to throw everyone behind the ball. And now the then manager who detested the blanket defense the most is teh head of the new rules review committee. Laughable!!!!
All that going to happen is Jim and the other intelligent managers will devise a way to counter these new rules and we will have a new review committee in another 5 years.
Leave the rules as they are for now until you deal with the elephant in the room!
And why dont the GAA bring in a proper external review committee (dont know... maybe pay top ex Premier League CEOs or top Auusie Rules CEO) to do a proper report on the state of our game
I doubt they would want to open pandora's box though!" Agreed, messing with the rules is tinkering around the edges and avoiding the real issue.... the gap in financial resources. Praying you have a few very rich businessmen in the county who will donate you huge sums of cash to run a professional elite sports set up is not a sustainable model for counties. You have a handful of teams operating at a professional level trying to replicate Dublin and are really struggling to balance the books most years. The rest are trying to keep up. If the teams are more evenly matched the entertainment will follow, It's turned into a rat race trying to keep up with a team who are effectively the Real Madrid of GAA.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 12/06/2024 17:39:35
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Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet: "Good review, fair play to Jim Gavin, looking forward to seeing all of these introduced.
Frees out of hand - stealing metres is a problem, but more important making the angle a lot easier - it's gone beyond a joke at this stage. Bring on the foam - or better still, frees only off the ground." Fair play to Jim Gavin my hat…. Introducing these silly rules will further ruin a game that's on its knees.. Change 3 simple things that would be easily implemented thus making life easier for referees and already frustrated fans.. 1… Get rid of the forward mark.. 2… Have all kick outs to at least reach the 45.. 3… Give the player in possession the advantage (free ) if more than 2 players come in to tackle…For god sake stop messing with score values and the like.. just get back to what was successful for 100 years..
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 12/06/2024 18:29:17
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Replying To JonnieG: "How about a rule where all players must wear sleeveless shirts and have blonde highlights an aussie accents?
Or how about an new rule where if you dont wear a blur jersey you must concede home advantage to the team in the blue jersey who can choose Croker as the venue?
Utter nonsense these rule changes and the audacity of the GAA to put the ex Dublin manager in charge... A man who was given a blank cheque book by the GAA and free reign of Croke park for his professional team (made professional by the GAA)
Rule - keep 4 players inside the 65 so the dubs have more space to obliterate the honest amateur teams who dont have access to UCD sports science facilities or access to a professional backroom team of all sorts of coaches (poor limerick get called out while Dublin have had that luxury for 10 years!). Amateur teams with only the chance to train collectively once a week!
Rule - Bring on 6 subs so the dubs can give more lads a run when they are 20 points up against these honest amateur teams!
How about rules to deal with the elephant in the room - Financial and Administrative rules??
I dont see that mentioned anywhere in the GAA's new top brass' report!!
How about a rule that only 1 manager 2 selectors (who can be made up of football, S&C, good old farmer people) a physio and a kit person can only make up the backroom team - 5 people and no-one else! Nobody else allowed be involved. Then counties like leitrim and many others dont have to succumb to the financial pressures of competing with teams that are not far off premier league setups
How about a rule that teams be sponsored by local irish businesses like the time Kerry were fined for trying to go outside that rule. But ok for Dublin to get multi million sponsorship deals with whoever they want. Remember the photoshoots with the All-Blacks??
How about a rule that all counties get the same number of professionally paid GAA coaches and not one for one county and 50 for another
How about bringing the club football back in line with the intercounty so that players have to be released from county duty like they were back in the day and play for their clubs. Like international breaks in soccer where counties an only get together a few weeks before County games. The way things are going there will be more attending club games than county games anyway!
how about a rule that a new organisation is formed that removes all the current "members" and that organisation control all money made by all teams and distribute it evenly among counties with one pot where all intercounty teams get the same amount and then all clubs within the country get the same amount.
the GAA have destroyed gaelic games by not only allowing but enabling a huge gulf in "standards" between counties and now they are trying to plaster over the wounds by more reactive token gesture rule changes that will have absolutely no impact on any counties only the current few top teams.
The reason we are in this situation is because Jim McGuinness and co had to think of ways to beat the professional team so the only way was to throw everyone behind the ball. And now the then manager who detested the blanket defense the most is teh head of the new rules review committee. Laughable!!!!
All that going to happen is Jim and the other intelligent managers will devise a way to counter these new rules and we will have a new review committee in another 5 years.
Leave the rules as they are for now until you deal with the elephant in the room!
And why dont the GAA bring in a proper external review committee (dont know... maybe pay top ex Premier League CEOs or top Auusie Rules CEO) to do a proper report on the state of our game
I doubt they would want to open pandora's box though!" Started reading this post without knowing the county you were form and bet with myself this was a meath poster and I guess what I was right!!!!
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 780 - 12/06/2024 19:21:29
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Replying To brianb: "I think a few of the suggestions have merit. A few seem slightly pointless.
The pass-back to the goal keeper is a much smaller problem than the review suggests; I don't see the need to restrict goal keeper possession to that extent.
Dissent carrying a 50 meter penalty - that to me is a really good idea. perhaps all frees from personal fouls should be made "solo and go".
The 40m arc and 2 points - I think that is over stating the value of a long distance score as against a closer in score. Put it this way - a '45 would be worth 2 points; I can't see how this would be worth half a goal or twice as much as a well taken point from 30m. Good idea - but the scoring would need more work. 4 points for a goal and 1.5 points for a 40m score would be around what feels right to me.
Defining the tackle a bit better needs to happen and the article seems light in specifics (a bit like the current tackle).
Keeping at least 3 back again makes sense - freeing up a bit of space from the blanket defence; but why 3 and not 4?
I would like to have seen a shot clock introduced; I can see that there are some practical implications but surely these could be worked through?
As for the foam - I don't really see the point; yes - at the moment everyone is making an slightly easier angle for themselves but this doesn't really detract from the game in any way." 2 pts - I agree it's a bit overvalued. In the NBA, it's 3 pts long/ 2 pts short. Should your scale then be doubled to avoid 'halves' - to 2, 3 and goal 8 pts?
40 arc - I think rectangles are easier to monitor - say, a broken line across from the top of the D (33 metres to goal line), although longer then as the angled shot becomes more acute, which to me would be ok.
Tackle - Yes, it needs to be better defined - allow a 'half Aussie Rules tackle' - one arm allowed to wrap around the ball carrier?
Shot Clock - Maybe make it unscientific - ref makes judgement as to whether team in possession is making progress towards a scoring attempt versus "keep ball" - violation is free at midfield?
At least 3 back - I find this confusing as presented in the media - surely it's keep "at least 3 up" inside the attacking 65? As presented, I feel "at least 3 back" means it can be a 15-man blanket - what am I missing?
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Replying To omahant: "2 pts - I agree it's a bit overvalued. In the NBA, it's 3 pts long/ 2 pts short. Should your scale then be doubled to avoid 'halves' - to 2, 3 and goal 8 pts?
40 arc - I think rectangles are easier to monitor - say, a broken line across from the top of the D (33 metres to goal line), although longer then as the angled shot becomes more acute, which to me would be ok.
Tackle - Yes, it needs to be better defined - allow a 'half Aussie Rules tackle' - one arm allowed to wrap around the ball carrier?
Shot Clock - Maybe make it unscientific - ref makes judgement as to whether team in possession is making progress towards a scoring attempt versus "keep ball" - violation is free at midfield?
At least 3 back - I find this confusing as presented in the media - surely it's keep "at least 3 up" inside the attacking 65? As presented, I feel "at least 3 back" means it can be a 15-man blanket - what am I missing?" What your missing is a good hobby of some description instead of dreaming up these ridiculous rules all the time… shot clocks and one arm tackles.. Can people not leave the game alone in most parts and stop trying to introduce stuff that just couldn't be implemented… You would end up with a game at County level that would be drastically different than club level because half of the rules couldn't be enforced at a club game…
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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "Started reading this post without knowing the county you were form and bet with myself this was a meath poster and I guess what I was right!!!!" Wow that's a great talent you have!! you should be very proud of yourself!! :)
JonnieG (Meath) - Posts: 246 - 13/06/2024 10:06:04
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Replying To omahant: "2 pts - I agree it's a bit overvalued. In the NBA, it's 3 pts long/ 2 pts short. Should your scale then be doubled to avoid 'halves' - to 2, 3 and goal 8 pts?
40 arc - I think rectangles are easier to monitor - say, a broken line across from the top of the D (33 metres to goal line), although longer then as the angled shot becomes more acute, which to me would be ok.
Tackle - Yes, it needs to be better defined - allow a 'half Aussie Rules tackle' - one arm allowed to wrap around the ball carrier?
Shot Clock - Maybe make it unscientific - ref makes judgement as to whether team in possession is making progress towards a scoring attempt versus "keep ball" - violation is free at midfield?
At least 3 back - I find this confusing as presented in the media - surely it's keep "at least 3 up" inside the attacking 65? As presented, I feel "at least 3 back" means it can be a 15-man blanket - what am I missing?" The shot clock idea may have some merit. You hear rugby refs shouting "use it or lose it". Seems to be at their discretion.
There was that famous Roscommon point v Dublin a couple of years ago in the league where they held the ball for the last 5 or 6 minutes of the first half before kicking a point on the stroke of half time.
Anything that is done has to be simple so it can be implemented at all levels.
dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 353 - 13/06/2024 10:25:23
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Replying To dahayeser: "The shot clock idea may have some merit. You hear rugby refs shouting "use it or lose it". Seems to be at their discretion.
There was that famous Roscommon point v Dublin a couple of years ago in the league where they held the ball for the last 5 or 6 minutes of the first half before kicking a point on the stroke of half time.
Anything that is done has to be simple so it can be implemented at all levels." You are 100% right… any rule changes should only be considered if they can be easily and properly implemented at the lowest club level… What Gavin and his room full of ****** are dreaming up are rules that could only be applied at some county venues… do these guys not realise there would be no County games if there was no club game…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 13/06/2024 10:59:30
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "You are 100% right… any rule changes should only be considered if they can be easily and properly implemented at the lowest club level… What Gavin and his room full of ****** are dreaming up are rules that could only be applied at some county venues… do these guys not realise there would be no County games if there was no club game…" Sure Jim Gavin has only seen Croke Park
eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 13/06/2024 11:13:47
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