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Tailteann Cup 2024

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Ridiculous comment…. Teams like Offaly ( and maybe ourselves ) should embrace the Taltainn Cup and go all out to win because let's face it they have no hope in any other competition"
Maybe your right, but then why has this approach failed in the past?

Our football competition format is a shambles. Designed to keep provincial championships relevant.

Offalys approach could be down to a very poor attitude, but I'd be incline to think it's more about history repeating itself.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1467 - 14/05/2024 18:51:09    2544809

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Replying To Ban:  "I'd imagine they are training to move through the ranks in the league. For teams like Offaly, it's imperative that they see progress there so they can realistically compete for the likes of leinster and maybe even Sam.
To play in the Champions League, teams need to finish near the top of their domestic league. The TC requires the opposite.
It's a bit demeaning to teams IMO. Peak time of the season. Let's put this chap together so Provincial Councils can still feel significant.
I respect Offaly for taking a stance. A county that never lacked the courage to stand their ground. I just wish they'd pull out of it altogether and it might spark some positive change to our game!"
To play in the Champions League, teams need to finish near the top of their domestic league. The TC requires the opposite.

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And that do they need to do to play in the Europa League?

What a ridiculous comment.

However, I would remove the connection between the league and Sam Maguire.

It should be like hurling. Win the Tailteann to go up.

Winner goes up automatically. Loser of final plays off with winner of Sam Maguire relegation play off.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 732 - 14/05/2024 19:10:17    2544817

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Replying To Ban:  "Maybe your right, but then why has this approach failed in the past?

Our football competition format is a shambles. Designed to keep provincial championships relevant.

Offalys approach could be down to a very poor attitude, but I'd be incline to think it's more about history repeating itself."
The T C competition can be very successful if it caters only for counties 13 - 32. Counties 1 - 12 play for the Sam Maguire Cup. Promotion and relegation can be agreed on.

Question must be answered, ie Kildare struggled to be Wicklow by 0-01 at the death in Portaois,the same Kildare hammered Longford, Longford were always convincing and performed well even in defeat down through the years. Wicklow were hammered by an unconvincing Fermanagh, so inv the final score between Kildare and Wicklow a couple of week ago puts a different slant on things.

It's unfair to single out Offaly when there are other counties that fit the same picture.



Tailteann Cup round 1


Kildare 3-25 Longford 1-11, Hawkfield - FT


Fermanagh 3-16 Wicklow 0-9, Brewster Park - FT


Offaly 0-12 London 2-20, Glenisk O'Connor Park - FT

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3055 - 15/05/2024 10:13:49    2544865

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Replying To CARPS:  "To play in the Champions League, teams need to finish near the top of their domestic league. The TC requires the opposite.

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And that do they need to do to play in the Europa League?

What a ridiculous comment.

However, I would remove the connection between the league and Sam Maguire.

It should be like hurling. Win the Tailteann to go up.

Winner goes up automatically. Loser of final plays off with winner of Sam Maguire relegation play off."
Maybe my comment is ridiculous, but at least outline why.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1467 - 15/05/2024 18:13:13    2544980

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Replying To Ban:  "Maybe your right, but then why has this approach failed in the past?

Our football competition format is a shambles. Designed to keep provincial championships relevant.

Offalys approach could be down to a very poor attitude, but I'd be incline to think it's more about history repeating itself."
So what's your suggestion then? The anti TC people are very fast to tell everyone what's wrong with it but don't offer anything different.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1472 - 15/05/2024 18:20:35    2544981

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The Offaly Football Championship are going to have 2 groups of 4 where all 8 qualify for the quarter-finals. A team can win 3 group games and be relegated! A team can lose 3 group games and be county champions! Is that their expectation in the All-Ireland as well?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 15/05/2024 21:45:00    2545004

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Replying To oneoff:  "So what's your suggestion then? The anti TC people are very fast to tell everyone what's wrong with it but don't offer anything different."
The TC is something different in everyones eyes. My attitude towards it is probably harsh, but for me the whole competition format in football is a mess and could be something really good. Thats my beef. We're dancing around the provincial championships.

Solution my dear friend, i've probably bored people to death on this site with mine but still stand by it: I'd base it on what 99% of other team sports on our lovely planet use, and never complain.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1467 - 16/05/2024 09:17:54    2545023

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London brought back Down to earth! And seems it's no secret now that Offaly have given up on the TC to allow supporters to follow the u20 hurlers unfettered.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 19/05/2024 12:13:12    2545546

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Kildare and Leitrim have both qualified from Group 1. They will contest Round 3 for direct route to the quarter-finals. Longford and Waterford will playoff for third place.
Sligo and Antrim have both qualified from Group 1. They will contest Round 3 for direct route to the quarter-finals. Wexford and Tipperary will playoff for third place.
Fermanagh and Laois have qualified from Group 3. They will contest Round 3 for direct route to the quarter-finals. Carlow and Wicklow will playoff for third place but Carlow can still finish second above Laois.
Down have won Group 4 with a game to spare. Offaly have been eliminated after Round 2. Limerick and London will playoff for second place.
Only the best 3 third placed teams qualify, with New York entering at the preliminary quarter-final stage. Current third placed rankings:
Limerick 2 points and -6
Carlow 1 point and -3
Wexford 0 points and -7
Longford 0 points and -21

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 19/05/2024 17:02:27    2545607

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The Offaly Football Championship are going to have 2 groups of 4 where all 8 qualify for the quarter-finals. A team can win 3 group games and be relegated! A team can lose 3 group games and be county champions! Is that their expectation in the All-Ireland as well?"
Incredible format in 2024. Lots of meaningless games, until September. There are 4 teams with a chance to win County title, Tullamore, Ferbane, Edenderry, and Rhode. 2 in a relegation battle, Bracknagh, and Ballycommon. Shamrocks and Durrow could reach the knockout rounds, but the championship could be improved, by having just 2 semi finals and a final.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 19/05/2024 20:00:44    2545675

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "London brought back Down to earth! And seems it's no secret now that Offaly have given up on the TC to allow supporters to follow the u20 hurlers unfettered."
Amazing how Offaly qualified for a Leinster semi-final for the first time in a long time and suddenly think they're too good for the TC.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1472 - 20/05/2024 09:49:40    2545753

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Replying To oneoff:  "Amazing how Offaly qualified for a Leinster semi-final for the first time in a long time and suddenly think they're too good for the TC."
They werent long getting out of the TC, first team eliminated.
They'll probably give Down a walkover.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1961 - 20/05/2024 10:49:24    2545787

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Replying To Ban:  "The TC is something different in everyones eyes. My attitude towards it is probably harsh, but for me the whole competition format in football is a mess and could be something really good. Thats my beef. We're dancing around the provincial championships.

Solution my dear friend, i've probably bored people to death on this site with mine but still stand by it: I'd base it on what 99% of other team sports on our lovely planet use, and never complain."
What do you mean by that though exactly?

League based championship I guess but there's a hell of a lot of different flavours of that and honestly the specifics of which would have a wide ranging suitability to the GAA.

Like your idea could include a premier league style approach of say 10 teams in the top championship playing everyone else home and away over 18 rounds with no All Ireland final and I think that'd be a terrible format for us.

I think a NFL (American Football style) where all 32 teams are playing a 12 (or 16 or whatever) game schedule would be terrible also.

Should there be promotion and relegation. Should there be a playoff system.

How many rounds of a regular season should there be.

How do these formats being run in professional sports relate to the amateur GAA and then the other unique challenges we have?

Any proposal would absolutely live or die by these sorts of details that you never really include.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 20/05/2024 11:16:26    2545802

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Replying To oneoff:  "Amazing how Offaly qualified for a Leinster semi-final for the first time in a long time and suddenly think they're too good for the TC."
Maybe it'll turn out to be a master stroke but I think it's bizarre. Next year Div 3 will have Kildare, potentially under new management, and Fermanagh. Sligo are constantly improving and Clare are a solid team. Not to mention the promotion of Offalys neighbours Laois who I'm sure would love to target that fixture. Not an easy division for Offaly to get promoted from and could easily get dragged into a relegation battle if there's a bad start.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 20/05/2024 12:47:14    2545847

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Replying To Ban:  "Maybe your right, but then why has this approach failed in the past?

Our football competition format is a shambles. Designed to keep provincial championships relevant.

Offalys approach could be down to a very poor attitude, but I'd be incline to think it's more about history repeating itself."
When for example you can get 20k to attend a Galway v Mayo Connacht final and then only under 7k turns up for Galway v Derry All Ireland series game one can understand why they are kept relevant.

Offaly have downed their tools since Dublin hammered them, awful attitude and losing by a bit to spare to London,Limerick two teams they should be beating comfortably.

Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 246 - 20/05/2024 13:19:31    2545856

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Replying To Drax_the_destroyer:  "When for example you can get 20k to attend a Galway v Mayo Connacht final and then only under 7k turns up for Galway v Derry All Ireland series game one can understand why they are kept relevant.

Offaly have downed their tools since Dublin hammered them, awful attitude and losing by a bit to spare to London,Limerick two teams they should be beating comfortably."
Around 275k reasons to keep the Provincials (@ average €25 a head.....)

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1961 - 20/05/2024 14:40:32    2545879

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Replying To Whammo86:  "What do you mean by that though exactly?

League based championship I guess but there's a hell of a lot of different flavours of that and honestly the specifics of which would have a wide ranging suitability to the GAA.

Like your idea could include a premier league style approach of say 10 teams in the top championship playing everyone else home and away over 18 rounds with no All Ireland final and I think that'd be a terrible format for us.

I think a NFL (American Football style) where all 32 teams are playing a 12 (or 16 or whatever) game schedule would be terrible also.

Should there be promotion and relegation. Should there be a playoff system.

How many rounds of a regular season should there be.

How do these formats being run in professional sports relate to the amateur GAA and then the other unique challenges we have?

Any proposal would absolutely live or die by these sorts of details that you never really include."
3 leagues
Relegation and promotion in each
Top 4 sides in top division go into All-Ireland semi-finals

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1467 - 20/05/2024 16:30:58    2545929

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I see the Rossie boys are in great form slating Offaly, expectations must be high going into the Dublin game, what are you expecting a 5-6 point win over the dubs for you next weekend?

ke40 (Kildare) - Posts: 214 - 20/05/2024 18:45:52    2545980

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Replying To Drax_the_destroyer:  "When for example you can get 20k to attend a Galway v Mayo Connacht final and then only under 7k turns up for Galway v Derry All Ireland series game one can understand why they are kept relevant.

Offaly have downed their tools since Dublin hammered them, awful attitude and losing by a bit to spare to London,Limerick two teams they should be beating comfortably."
Your observation highlights the issues in the current format. The interest is low.
The provincials are the worst thing going until we get a couple of good finals.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1467 - 20/05/2024 18:48:57    2545982

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Replying To Ban:  "3 leagues
Relegation and promotion in each
Top 4 sides in top division go into All-Ireland semi-finals"
I think that'd be an excellent format.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 21/05/2024 09:10:52    2546046

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