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Is the the Ulster Championship a good competition ? Yes is the answer.
Are the games exciting? Yes is the answer.
If Kerry or Dublin were in Ulster the last 10 years would they be both being going for 10 in a row? Probably is the answer for Kerry and a definite yes for Dublin.
In the last 10 years since Donegal shocked Dublin in the All Ireland semi final only one team from Ulster have beat either a Kerry or Dublin in championship and that was Tyrone in 2021 when there was no QFs.
What does this say? I think it proves the quality of the ulster teams isn't that great and the Ulster championship does them no good.
The provincial championships are helping no one and the quicker Ulster people realize the better.
Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 516 - 30/04/2024 16:11:26
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Replying To Temple56: "Is the the Ulster Championship a good competition ? Yes is the answer.
Are the games exciting? Yes is the answer.
If Kerry or Dublin were in Ulster the last 10 years would they be both being going for 10 in a row? Probably is the answer for Kerry and a definite yes for Dublin.
In the last 10 years since Donegal shocked Dublin in the All Ireland semi final only one team from Ulster have beat either a Kerry or Dublin in championship and that was Tyrone in 2021 when there was no QFs.
What does this say? I think it proves the quality of the ulster teams isn't that great and the Ulster championship does them no good.
The provincial championships are helping no one and the quicker Ulster people realize the better." Thanks
Calving4Sam (Cavan) - Posts: 85 - 30/04/2024 16:21:16
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Replying To Temple56: "Is the the Ulster Championship a good competition ? Yes is the answer.
Are the games exciting? Yes is the answer.
If Kerry or Dublin were in Ulster the last 10 years would they be both being going for 10 in a row? Probably is the answer for Kerry and a definite yes for Dublin.
In the last 10 years since Donegal shocked Dublin in the All Ireland semi final only one team from Ulster have beat either a Kerry or Dublin in championship and that was Tyrone in 2021 when there was no QFs.
What does this say? I think it proves the quality of the ulster teams isn't that great and the Ulster championship does them no good.
The provincial championships are helping no one and the quicker Ulster people realize the better." Think you have missed the point altogether. The Anglo-Celt Cup is an aspiration for Ulster players and teams in itself.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13905 - 30/04/2024 16:23:45
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Not a hope in hell would Dublin or Kerry be going for 10 in a row if they were in Ulster.
FootballGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 258 - 30/04/2024 16:55:50
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Replying To Temple56: "Is the the Ulster Championship a good competition ? Yes is the answer.
Are the games exciting? Yes is the answer.
If Kerry or Dublin were in Ulster the last 10 years would they be both being going for 10 in a row? Probably is the answer for Kerry and a definite yes for Dublin.
In the last 10 years since Donegal shocked Dublin in the All Ireland semi final only one team from Ulster have beat either a Kerry or Dublin in championship and that was Tyrone in 2021 when there was no QFs.
What does this say? I think it proves the quality of the ulster teams isn't that great and the Ulster championship does them no good.
The provincial championships are helping no one and the quicker Ulster people realize the better." There 5 teams that can win the munster hurling championship,there isnt 5 teams that could win the ulster football championship,the best games we get are the early rounds of provincial championship.
cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 783 - 30/04/2024 17:03:46
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Replying To Temple56: "Is the the Ulster Championship a good competition ? Yes is the answer.
Are the games exciting? Yes is the answer.
If Kerry or Dublin were in Ulster the last 10 years would they be both being going for 10 in a row? Probably is the answer for Kerry and a definite yes for Dublin.
In the last 10 years since Donegal shocked Dublin in the All Ireland semi final only one team from Ulster have beat either a Kerry or Dublin in championship and that was Tyrone in 2021 when there was no QFs.
What does this say? I think it proves the quality of the ulster teams isn't that great and the Ulster championship does them no good.
The provincial championships are helping no one and the quicker Ulster people realize the better." Grade one trolling there.
Kerry would win about 2-3 over 10 years and Dublin maybe 4-5. If neither side played any games at home, it is Ulster after all, then you'd see Dublin & Kerry out on their ear in the quarter finals plenty of times.
Ulster is the best championship by a margin. Connacht has three evenly matched sides but it suffers from inbalance in fixtures. But yes Ulster is not helping Ulster teams win All Irelands and the new system will make it even worse.
However Ulster teams know when they win it all, its because they deserved it. Can never say the same for Dublin or Kerry.
shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 286 - 30/04/2024 17:13:12
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Replying To cityman73: "There 5 teams that can win the munster hurling championship,there isnt 5 teams that could win the ulster football championship,the best games we get are the early rounds of provincial championship." Five different teams have won Ulster in the last 10 years
Only 3 teams have won Munster in the last 10 years with Limerick winning the last 4 in a row.
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shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 286 - 30/04/2024 17:31:41
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Replying To Temple56: "Is the the Ulster Championship a good competition ? Yes is the answer.
Are the games exciting? Yes is the answer.
If Kerry or Dublin were in Ulster the last 10 years would they be both being going for 10 in a row? Probably is the answer for Kerry and a definite yes for Dublin.
In the last 10 years since Donegal shocked Dublin in the All Ireland semi final only one team from Ulster have beat either a Kerry or Dublin in championship and that was Tyrone in 2021 when there was no QFs.
What does this say? I think it proves the quality of the ulster teams isn't that great and the Ulster championship does them no good.
The provincial championships are helping no one and the quicker Ulster people realize the better." 1. In the last ten years only four teams (2 counties) from Connacht have beaten either a Kerry or Dublin in championship:
¹ Mayo against Kerry in 2017;
² Galway against Kerry in the Super 8s in 2018;
³ Mayo against Dublin in 2021 (Dublin's conquerors were then beaten by an Ulster team, your same Tyrone from your original post);
⁴ Mayo against Kerry in the group stage in 2023.
2. In the last ten years only one team from Munster (not Kerry) has beaten either a Kerry or Dublin in championship and that was Cork against Kerry in Munster in 2020, and ambush in the curtailed COVID championship. Then Cork lost to Tipperary who lost to Mayo who lost to Dublin, which puts the scale of the upset into context.
3. In the last ten years no teams from Leinster (not Dublin) have beaten either a Kerry or Dublin in championship.
Connacht 4
Ulster 1
Munster 1
Leinster 0
All in all, it means that Dublin and Kerry are very hard to beat with only Mayo managing to beat both of them, and not that Ulster (Div 1 and Div 2 champions in 2024) is poor.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1126 - 30/04/2024 18:04:28
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Replying To cityman73: "There 5 teams that can win the munster hurling championship,there isnt 5 teams that could win the ulster football championship,the best games we get are the early rounds of provincial championship." There aren't 5 teams in Munster who can win it this year. And there never has been in any given year. There are always some counties stronger than others. Agreed its not always the same counties that are stronger, which is great for the competition. But in any given year the winners of it never goes down to the lads day. There's always at least one county if not 2 or 3, that can't make the final before the last day.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13905 - 30/04/2024 18:20:58
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "1. In the last ten years only four teams (2 counties) from Connacht have beaten either a Kerry or Dublin in championship:
¹ Mayo against Kerry in 2017;
² Galway against Kerry in the Super 8s in 2018;
³ Mayo against Dublin in 2021 (Dublin's conquerors were then beaten by an Ulster team, your same Tyrone from your original post);
⁴ Mayo against Kerry in the group stage in 2023.
2. In the last ten years only one team from Munster (not Kerry) has beaten either a Kerry or Dublin in championship and that was Cork against Kerry in Munster in 2020, and ambush in the curtailed COVID championship. Then Cork lost to Tipperary who lost to Mayo who lost to Dublin, which puts the scale of the upset into context.
3. In the last ten years no teams from Leinster (not Dublin) have beaten either a Kerry or Dublin in championship.
Connacht 4
Ulster 1
Munster 1
Leinster 0
All in all, it means that Dublin and Kerry are very hard to beat with only Mayo managing to beat both of them, and not that Ulster (Div 1 and Div 2 champions in 2024) is poor." Monaghan drew with Kerry in 2018. Donegal drew with them in 2019. Tyrone beat Kerry in 2021. Didn't go back before 2018.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13905 - 30/04/2024 18:30:29
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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma: "1. In the last ten years only four teams (2 counties) from Connacht have beaten either a Kerry or Dublin in championship:
¹ Mayo against Kerry in 2017;
² Galway against Kerry in the Super 8s in 2018;
³ Mayo against Dublin in 2021 (Dublin's conquerors were then beaten by an Ulster team, your same Tyrone from your original post);
⁴ Mayo against Kerry in the group stage in 2023.
2. In the last ten years only one team from Munster (not Kerry) has beaten either a Kerry or Dublin in championship and that was Cork against Kerry in Munster in 2020, and ambush in the curtailed COVID championship. Then Cork lost to Tipperary who lost to Mayo who lost to Dublin, which puts the scale of the upset into context.
3. In the last ten years no teams from Leinster (not Dublin) have beaten either a Kerry or Dublin in championship.
Connacht 4
Ulster 1
Munster 1
Leinster 0
All in all, it means that Dublin and Kerry are very hard to beat with only Mayo managing to beat both of them, and not that Ulster (Div 1 and Div 2 champions in 2024) is poor." Monaghan drew with Kerry in 2018. Donegal drew with them in 2019. Tyrone beat Kerry in 2021. Didn't go back before 2018.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13905 - 30/04/2024 18:41:23
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Replying To cityman73: "There 5 teams that can win the munster hurling championship,there isnt 5 teams that could win the ulster football championship,the best games we get are the early rounds of provincial championship." There are 2 teams that can win the Munster Championship at the minute. Hope that helps. Same as last year.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8162 - 30/04/2024 18:47:28
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Replying To Temple56: "Is the the Ulster Championship a good competition ? Yes is the answer.
Are the games exciting? Yes is the answer.
If Kerry or Dublin were in Ulster the last 10 years would they be both being going for 10 in a row? Probably is the answer for Kerry and a definite yes for Dublin.
In the last 10 years since Donegal shocked Dublin in the All Ireland semi final only one team from Ulster have beat either a Kerry or Dublin in championship and that was Tyrone in 2021 when there was no QFs.
What does this say? I think it proves the quality of the ulster teams isn't that great and the Ulster championship does them no good.
The provincial championships are helping no one and the quicker Ulster people realize the better." There is nothing worse than a man from nowhere posting about something he knows nothing about.
The Ulster championship is the only provisional title that is worth winning, apart from maybe Connacht.
Kerry or Dublin would have bother winning 2 in a row in Ulster. They cant just ease their way into the championship the way they do Leinster or Munster. If they took that attitude in Ulster they would be out on their ear first round.
Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 408 - 30/04/2024 18:58:33
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I'd rather the Ulster Football Championship survive than the All-Ireland Football Championship, by a considerable distance.
SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 437 - 30/04/2024 19:16:40
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Replying To FootballGuy: "Not a hope in hell would Dublin or Kerry be going for 10 in a row if they were in Ulster." Kerry not a chance.
Dublin, probably imo.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 30/04/2024 19:24:29
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Replying To shaggykev: "Grade one trolling there.
Kerry would win about 2-3 over 10 years and Dublin maybe 4-5. If neither side played any games at home, it is Ulster after all, then you'd see Dublin & Kerry out on their ear in the quarter finals plenty of times.
Ulster is the best championship by a margin. Connacht has three evenly matched sides but it suffers from inbalance in fixtures. But yes Ulster is not helping Ulster teams win All Irelands and the new system will make it even worse.
However Ulster teams know when they win it all, its because they deserved it. Can never say the same for Dublin or Kerry." Hard to disagree.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8678 - 30/04/2024 19:36:10
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Replying To cityman73: "There 5 teams that can win the munster hurling championship,there isnt 5 teams that could win the ulster football championship,the best games we get are the early rounds of provincial championship." There is one team that can win the Munster Hurling Championship.
Maybe 2, if you include Clare. Tipp and Waterford are poor teams at the moment and Cork have no steel.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13779 - 30/04/2024 19:59:04
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No way Dublin would win 10 in a row in Ulster.
The idea that we wouldn't have been caught in Clones, Celtic Pk, Ballybofey etc over the years is ludicrous imo.
Had Jim Gavin's Dubs been in Ulster I think they'd have won a few titles to be fair but wouldn't have done what they've done in Leinster.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13779 - 30/04/2024 21:15:38
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Replying To shaggykev: "Grade one trolling there.
Kerry would win about 2-3 over 10 years and Dublin maybe 4-5. If neither side played any games at home, it is Ulster after all, then you'd see Dublin & Kerry out on their ear in the quarter finals plenty of times.
Ulster is the best championship by a margin. Connacht has three evenly matched sides but it suffers from inbalance in fixtures. But yes Ulster is not helping Ulster teams win All Irelands and the new system will make it even worse.
However Ulster teams know when they win it all, its because they deserved it. Can never say the same for Dublin or Kerry." Dublin 4/5? Are you mad?
They won six All Irelands in row and no one in Ulster got near them in that time!
Dublin would have won the last 10 Ulster's at a canter. No Ulster team have beat Dublin in championship since 2014!
It's not nice to hear because yee up in Ulster think it's a great competition which it is! However, if Dublin were in it over the last 10 years it would be in the same position as Leinster at the moment
Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 516 - 30/04/2024 22:07:42
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Replying To MesAmis: "There is one team that can win the Munster Hurling Championship.
Maybe 2, if you include Clare. Tipp and Waterford are poor teams at the moment and Cork have no steel." Maybe Muns 3rd will qualify with 3 losses (if Tipp beats Waterd & Cork beats Tipp)? - although I think Waterd will do it with '2-2'.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2899 - 30/04/2024 23:03:58
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