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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Our first game in 6 weeks which is unusual, definitely a flaw in the system there. Hard to know where we are at other than a poor result against Roscommon in a challenge but challenges are sometimes misleading. Walsh and Morris both out would be a big blow but Gray back helps. Louth and Monaghan are both winnable games with good performances"
It's arguably the most evenly-matched pairing in the entire group stage. Mayo last year showed a 6 week layoff can be an advantage. Though, unlike Kerry in that game, Louth will be going all out on Saturday too. It will feel like a knockout. Want to see evidence they've put in a tonne of work these past 6 weeks and there has been some thought put into kickout strategy and defensive and offensive set-up. I could see a draw happening, and wouldn't say no to that to be honest. So, so hard to know what to expect. Could be a real morale-boosting win or could be a very bleak day. Really can imagine all possibilities at this stage!

MeathAbroad (Meath) - Posts: 87 - 20/05/2024 12:03:25    2545821

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burn all the footballs in meath bar the ones the u20s use

donedeal101 (Meath) - Posts: 5 - 20/05/2024 14:11:03    2545872

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i just can escape the bad feeling i have about these group stages, i think we are going to lose all three matches and actually think we could be beaten by 5 or 6 points this saturday. i think we are going to really struggle for scores. it will b a very hard one to take on saturday if we are to lose, i think had we beaten offaly last year in leinster, louth would have turned us over in leinster quater final. so i was happy to avoid them, i hoped we would avoid them for another year or two until they lose form again. but we end up getting them when there flying. very fearful for saturday.

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 750 - 20/05/2024 14:53:07    2545885

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I expect a mighty battle and if our defence plays well we could win.

Cant see it been a big scoring encounter, 15 points could win it.

thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1061 - 20/05/2024 15:56:54    2545918

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Can't see if the Louth match is being broadcast anywhere. Dublin vs Roscommon and Donegal vs Tyrone on GAAGO but don't think there's any games on terrestrial TV. Would be a massive shame as so few tickets were available.

meathfan1 (Meath) - Posts: 231 - 20/05/2024 17:24:31    2545950

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Our first game in 6 weeks which is unusual, definitely a flaw in the system there. Hard to know where we are at other than a poor result against Roscommon in a challenge but challenges are sometimes misleading. Walsh and Morris both out would be a big blow but Gray back helps. Louth and Monaghan are both winnable games with good performances"
Any news on many of U20's joining panel? Now is the time to get these lads in otherwise we looking at another wasted year with continuing with lads who won't push us on with the existing panel. Given how lucky the draw we got, we have a great chance of making a preliminary q final. An impact from one or two of the U20 lads could make all the difference.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 568 - 20/05/2024 18:30:18    2545978

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Replying To winatallcost:  "Any news on many of U20's joining panel? Now is the time to get these lads in otherwise we looking at another wasted year with continuing with lads who won't push us on with the existing panel. Given how lucky the draw we got, we have a great chance of making a preliminary q final. An impact from one or two of the U20 lads could make all the difference."
Nothing easy about this group
Kerry to top it probably Louth or Meath second and third . I personally think Monaghan best days are behind them and will finish bottom .
Saturdays game a draw or a win by a point or two either way

clutch (Louth) - Posts: 2 - 21/05/2024 09:45:11    2546061

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Replying To winatallcost:  "Any news on many of U20's joining panel? Now is the time to get these lads in otherwise we looking at another wasted year with continuing with lads who won't push us on with the existing panel. Given how lucky the draw we got, we have a great chance of making a preliminary q final. An impact from one or two of the U20 lads could make all the difference."
Brian O'Halloran is back in on the senior panel. Not sure if anybody else get called up. But I don't think the 20's would be making a huge impact this year

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1513 - 21/05/2024 10:24:44    2546074

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we are 7/4 with the bookies to win , I can't ever remember these odds especially against Louth , that said i think it will be a tricky affair with the pitch etc and there performance against Dublin , and either way we need to start strong, I think these next few games will sort of tell us where we are under COR .

meath1987 (Meath) - Posts: 134 - 21/05/2024 11:29:23    2546105

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Replying To meath1987:  "we are 7/4 with the bookies to win , I can't ever remember these odds especially against Louth , that said i think it will be a tricky affair with the pitch etc and there performance against Dublin , and either way we need to start strong, I think these next few games will sort of tell us where we are under COR ."
7/4 is generous and it's purely a reaction to how Louth did against Dublin. I'd have it priced more Louth 4/5, Meath 11/10.

We probably could have came out of Croke Park with a similar result and performance if we set up how they did and just played to try and frustrate Dublin, but we got a bit naive and Dublin slaughtered us down the home stretch,

I do think Louth deserve to be slight favourites though, they finished the league strong, did what they were supposed to do in Leinster and put up a good show against Dublin. The phycology of being competitive against Dublin will be more beneficial to them than anything. Whereas we have to pick up the pieces and reset.

But that been said, there's very little between the teams. We beat them in the league, we beat Kildare by 3, Louth beat Kildare by 3 in the league and 4 in the Leinster semis. So this is going to be a tight game.

If we have a full squad free of injuries, I'd be confident, but a few players missing that could be crucial. We're good enough to win and hopefully we can get over the line. It's a disgrace that GAA Go are not putting the game on considering the tiny venue and nobody will be able to see it.

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 235 - 21/05/2024 12:12:14    2546119

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We knew we'd be at this stage as soon as we won the Tailteann Cup last year. The League and Leinster had no effect on that outcome. This is a date we should have been targeting to deliver our best performance. This team should be peaking now. If we get anything less than a barnstorming performance in these next three games then there has to be serious questions about management and preparation.

I think we'll win just as we did in the league but if this management team are worth their salt we have to see a definitive performance from this team.

LoyalRoyal (None) - Posts: 464 - 21/05/2024 18:04:11    2546227

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Brian O'Halloran is back in on the senior panel. Not sure if anybody else get called up. But I don't think the 20's would be making a huge impact this year"
They certainly won't make a major impact if not brought in. O'Halloran did quite well but possibly even more talented guys on U20 panel which should be brought in. Gray had a huge impact last year so why not others this year.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 568 - 21/05/2024 21:55:07    2546265

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Replying To winatallcost:  "They certainly won't make a major impact if not brought in. O'Halloran did quite well but possibly even more talented guys on U20 panel which should be brought in. Gray had a huge impact last year so why not others this year."
Having already been involved with the 20's in a long campaign and many of them playing college football in the winter I don't see huge benefit in bringing in these players to play now. Some of the standout players like Murphy and Armstrong are not full age under 20's. Kinlough and O'Regan were in and around the senior panel but are both carrying knocks from the 20's campaign so aren't available for the weekend anyway. Liam Kelly could do with going back to Ratoath playing adult league and nailing down his club spot. I think it's a better strategy to give these lads an off season of S&C to build up their conditioning because I think these lads are still 2-3 years away from being real impact players. We played Walsh, Costello, Morris and Hickey when they were still under 20 and I'm not sure that was the right thing for the long term. Walsh has been plagued by injury and Morris and Hickey have picked up injuries along the way too. Have to think long term with these under 20's and I don't think they'd improve the senior team this year anyway

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1513 - 22/05/2024 09:24:21    2546299

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Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "Having already been involved with the 20's in a long campaign and many of them playing college football in the winter I don't see huge benefit in bringing in these players to play now. Some of the standout players like Murphy and Armstrong are not full age under 20's. Kinlough and O'Regan were in and around the senior panel but are both carrying knocks from the 20's campaign so aren't available for the weekend anyway. Liam Kelly could do with going back to Ratoath playing adult league and nailing down his club spot. I think it's a better strategy to give these lads an off season of S&C to build up their conditioning because I think these lads are still 2-3 years away from being real impact players. We played Walsh, Costello, Morris and Hickey when they were still under 20 and I'm not sure that was the right thing for the long term. Walsh has been plagued by injury and Morris and Hickey have picked up injuries along the way too. Have to think long term with these under 20's and I don't think they'd improve the senior team this year anyway"
Sounds like on this basis, you wouldn't have Gray in last year either. Will Tyrone take this view? These guys are not minors, some of them are 20 years of age and clearly better than some lads on panel. Going back playing club league football in Meath is not going to benefit their development a whole lot.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 568 - 22/05/2024 09:44:53    2546304

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Replying To winatallcost:  "Sounds like on this basis, you wouldn't have Gray in last year either. Will Tyrone take this view? These guys are not minors, some of them are 20 years of age and clearly better than some lads on panel. Going back playing club league football in Meath is not going to benefit their development a whole lot."
You dont have to be a genius to see that Gray was physically ready to play senior ball. 90% of the 20s would get broken up playing senior county. Sean Emmanuel is probably the only one realisticly ready for the jump apart from those already brought up to the dev panel.

Irish_downunder (Meath) - Posts: 640 - 22/05/2024 12:06:48    2546362

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Replying To Irish_downunder:  "You dont have to be a genius to see that Gray was physically ready to play senior ball. 90% of the 20s would get broken up playing senior county. Sean Emmanuel is probably the only one realisticly ready for the jump apart from those already brought up to the dev panel. Kelly i think needs to mature a bit upstairs before he would be trusted at FB for me."
Also he seems to be forgetting Gray and the other lads who stepped up this time last year came in from the 20s and played Tailteann Cup football v Waterford Wexford Tipperary etc who let's be honest were all woefully bad . Totally different expecting any of 20s to step up and play against good team like Louth and Monaghan and exceptional Teams like Kerry.

Blackspot09 (Meath) - Posts: 973 - 22/05/2024 13:24:44    2546386

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Any injury updates for Saturday?

LowerHogan (Meath) - Posts: 45 - 22/05/2024 13:47:33    2546398

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Replying To winatallcost:  "Sounds like on this basis, you wouldn't have Gray in last year either. Will Tyrone take this view? These guys are not minors, some of them are 20 years of age and clearly better than some lads on panel. Going back playing club league football in Meath is not going to benefit their development a whole lot."
I would be shocked if Tyrone did not take this approach. They won the all Ireland under 20 comfortably 2 years ago. Of that team only 3 played their game against Donegal, and one of those (Ruairi Canavan) only came on in extra time. That's an all Ireland winning team from 2 years ago and still very few are playing championship for them. And Gray was definetly physically ready to compete at senior, but let's not forget it was Tailteann cup he played last year not all Ireland, and COR himself said Tailteann gave him freedom to throw in younger lads

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1513 - 22/05/2024 20:41:39    2546490

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Replying To winatallcost:  "Sounds like on this basis, you wouldn't have Gray in last year either. Will Tyrone take this view? These guys are not minors, some of them are 20 years of age and clearly better than some lads on panel. Going back playing club league football in Meath is not going to benefit their development a whole lot."
The step up from county under 20 to senior inter-county is absolutely enormous make no mistake about it. Having seen a lot of these lads play with their clubs over the last couple of years, even the ones who stand out at this level have been very up and down at adult football. They are massive talents and will no doubt step up but looking through the team that started against Kerry I don't think any are at that level yet.

TigerKing (Meath) - Posts: 41 - 23/05/2024 10:34:12    2546526

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Replying To TigerKing:  "The step up from county under 20 to senior inter-county is absolutely enormous make no mistake about it. Having seen a lot of these lads play with their clubs over the last couple of years, even the ones who stand out at this level have been very up and down at adult football. They are massive talents and will no doubt step up but looking through the team that started against Kerry I don't think any are at that level yet."
What is 'the level' we are talking about? Obviously the level Dublin or Kerry etc is a massive step up for everyone introduced to county level but what I'm talking about is our own senior squad. Are many way about these guys which I'm suggesting are the best of that played against Kerry. I don't believe so and the ability to improve quickly is also a factor. I am sick listening to Conservative views about holding lads back when we are in great need of improvement.

winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 568 - 23/05/2024 11:14:33    2546544

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