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Replying To Crashingwaves:  "The point was about Leinster finals and which team would best put it up to KK, not the round robin. Wexford have beaten KK once in the Leinster final in the past 20 years. KK are a different proposition in the final as they have shown in the past five Leinster finals. If Pádraic Mannion's hurley hadn't been pulled out of his hand in the dying seconds of last year's final Galway would have won it but that how the breaks go."
What relevance have Leinster Finals from 20 years ago? None of those players are even playing any more. Fact is we are the last team to beat Kilkenny in a Leinster Final.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 10/06/2024 13:29:02    2550560

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Ah that was an epic clash. I've always admired Cork. We've only beaten ye once in the championship in my lifetime. Incidentally I promised my wife we'd have another child if we won (Which I was certain wouldn't happen) . I've a wonderful son now as a result.

Cork have always treated us with respect which can't always be said for muster counties.

The League saga of 93 was another great time."
ha ha. That's a great story! was he named after one of the Wexford players I wonder??

bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 349 - 10/06/2024 13:47:25    2550564

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Replying To bloodandbandage:  "ha ha. That's a great story! was he named after one of the Wexford players I wonder??"
I wasn't allowed call him "Chinner" Doyle. But yes he is named after a Wexford player although my wife thinks he's named after her grandfather:)

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3148 - 10/06/2024 14:02:06    2550570

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Replying To Viking66:  "What relevance have Leinster Finals from 20 years ago? None of those players are even playing any more. Fact is we are the last team to beat Kilkenny in a Leinster Final."
I was talking about the last 20 years, not 20 years ago. What relevance is 7 years or any year for that matter, KK have won 5 in a row and could do another 5 in a row by the look of things.

Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 74 - 10/06/2024 14:23:21    2550577

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Limerick made history yesterday when they became the first county to complete a six-in-a-row of Munster SHC titles.

The Treaty County's hugely impressive 1-26 to 1-20 over Clare at a packed FBD Semple Stadium leaves them just two steps away from an unprecedented five-in-a-row of All-Irelands and few would bet against them achieving that feat. However, captain Declan Hannon's revelation in his speech after collecting the Mick Mackey Cup that there are 53 people in the Limerick backroom team has once again raised concerns about the road the GAA is headed.

It seems fair to say that at elite level, the game is already professional in everything but name.

https://hoganstand.com/County/National/Forum/PostMessage?TopicID=112765&Topic=Leinster%20Hurling%20Championship%202024

Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 74 - 10/06/2024 14:28:59    2550580

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I wasn't allowed call him "Chinner" Doyle. But yes he is named after a Wexford player although my wife thinks he's named after her grandfather:)"
Brilliant Doyler:-D

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 10/06/2024 15:18:13    2550594

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Replying To Crashingwaves:  "I was talking about the last 20 years, not 20 years ago. What relevance is 7 years or any year for that matter, KK have won 5 in a row and could do another 5 in a row by the look of things."
They won't. We will win another one in that time. We usually win one or 2 every decade. The 80s was the only time we didn't since the start of the 50s. Although we did reach 3 finals that decade, only losing 2 by a single point, and 1 by 2 points.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 10/06/2024 15:23:24    2550595

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Replying To Crashingwaves:  "Limerick made history yesterday when they became the first county to complete a six-in-a-row of Munster SHC titles.

The Treaty County's hugely impressive 1-26 to 1-20 over Clare at a packed FBD Semple Stadium leaves them just two steps away from an unprecedented five-in-a-row of All-Irelands and few would bet against them achieving that feat. However, captain Declan Hannon's revelation in his speech after collecting the Mick Mackey Cup that there are 53 people in the Limerick backroom team has once again raised concerns about the road the GAA is headed.

It seems fair to say that at elite level, the game is already professional in everything but name.

https://hoganstand.com/County/National/Forum/PostMessage?TopicID=112765&Topic=Leinster%20Hurling%20Championship%202024"
The 53 included the players

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 10/06/2024 15:23:49    2550596

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I wasn't allowed call him "Chinner" Doyle. But yes he is named after a Wexford player although my wife thinks he's named after her grandfather:)"
Brilliant...
Appreciate there's Laois to navigate first, but ye must be a bit more confident having watched Clare yesterday?

bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 349 - 10/06/2024 15:33:22    2550601

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Replying To Viking66:  "The 53 included the players"
He thanked the panel as well after that so I don't think it included the players… They can well afford to have 53 people looking after them…!!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3029 - 10/06/2024 15:39:20    2550604

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Replying To Viking66:  "They won't. We will win another one in that time. We usually win one or 2 every decade. The 80s was the only time we didn't since the start of the 50s. Although we did reach 3 finals that decade, only losing 2 by a single point, and 1 by 2 points."
Winning 1 a decade where there's only 2 counties in the real Leinster championship, according to some Wexford posters, is nothing to write home about. To be fair to KK they don't moan about the number of counties in "Leinster", they just get on with it.

Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 74 - 10/06/2024 16:19:31    2550621

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Replying To Crashingwaves:  "Winning 1 a decade where there's only 2 counties in the real Leinster championship, according to some Wexford posters, is nothing to write home about. To be fair to KK they don't moan about the number of counties in "Leinster", they just get on with it."
I never moaned about the number of counties in it. Like alot of other posters I think there should be more in it. Historically we were never as good as Kilkenny. Only in the 50s and 60s did we match them over a decade . But then neither were any other county. Apart from Tipps lucky win in 2001, Cork were the only other county to win an AI in the noughties. Kilkenny weren't just the dominant force in Leinster from 2000 to 2015, they were the dominant force in the country. They won 2/3rds of all the AI titles won in that period. In the noughties they won 70% of them. No other team has ever been that dominant, although Limerick are heading that way.
All that is irrelevant to Galways performance in Leinster. After a bright start in your 1st 9 years, you haven't stopped Kilkenny since. As I said, the last team to beat Kilkenny in a Leinster final was us.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 10/06/2024 16:33:39    2550623

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Replying To Viking66:  "I never moaned about the number of counties in it. Like alot of other posters I think there should be more in it. Historically we were never as good as Kilkenny. Only in the 50s and 60s did we match them over a decade . But then neither were any other county. Apart from Tipps lucky win in 2001, Cork were the only other county to win an AI in the noughties. Kilkenny weren't just the dominant force in Leinster from 2000 to 2015, they were the dominant force in the country. They won 2/3rds of all the AI titles won in that period. In the noughties they won 70% of them. No other team has ever been that dominant, although Limerick are heading that way.
All that is irrelevant to Galways performance in Leinster. After a bright start in your 1st 9 years, you haven't stopped Kilkenny since. As I said, the last team to beat Kilkenny in a Leinster final was us."
Galway beat them the year before, in 2018 and beat yourselves in 2017, hammered KK in 2012 and were very unlucky not to beat them last year. Not a bad record for a Connacht team all the same.

Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 74 - 10/06/2024 19:47:32    2550675

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Replying To bloodandbandage:  "Brilliant...
Appreciate there's Laois to navigate first, but ye must be a bit more confident having watched Clare yesterday?"
On fairly typical Wexford fashion I'm more worried about laois than the prospect of facing Clare.

This weekend is exactly the type of fixture we struggle with.

If we get over that I'm sure we'll bring a performance against a top team. They were lucky to beat us in 22. We're a little better than we were then and I think they've regressed a small bit, but we won't get ahead of ourselves.

Cork are everyone's dark horse. They won't fear Kilkenny or Limerick that's for sure.

I'd expect ye to steamroll both Offaly and Dublin to be honest.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3148 - 10/06/2024 22:20:00    2550696

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Replying To Crashingwaves:  "Galway beat them the year before, in 2018 and beat yourselves in 2017, hammered KK in 2012 and were very unlucky not to beat them last year. Not a bad record for a Connacht team all the same."
You had a very good team in the teens that would likely have won more than one AI in a different era. Just unlucky.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 11/06/2024 03:32:13    2550712

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "On fairly typical Wexford fashion I'm more worried about laois than the prospect of facing Clare.

This weekend is exactly the type of fixture we struggle with.

If we get over that I'm sure we'll bring a performance against a top team. They were lucky to beat us in 22. We're a little better than we were then and I think they've regressed a small bit, but we won't get ahead of ourselves.

Cork are everyone's dark horse. They won't fear Kilkenny or Limerick that's for sure.

I'd expect ye to steamroll both Offaly and Dublin to be honest."
I'm not sure if "worried about playing" is the correct term. We had this with Carlow also.

I believe we are "more worried about losing" to Laois than to Clare. We should beat Laois every day but that doesn't mean we will. The fallout of losing to them would be so toxic whereas losing to Clare less so.

No team should be more worried about playing Laois than Clare. If we are to be a top.sode.pike we.think we can be then we should dismis Laois without major fuss the same way we did Carlow.

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 312 - 11/06/2024 08:14:07    2550718

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Replying To WEXILE:  "I'm not sure if "worried about playing" is the correct term. We had this with Carlow also.

I believe we are "more worried about losing" to Laois than to Clare. We should beat Laois every day but that doesn't mean we will. The fallout of losing to them would be so toxic whereas losing to Clare less so.

No team should be more worried about playing Laois than Clare. If we are to be a top.sode.pike we.think we can be then we should dismis Laois without major fuss the same way we did Carlow."
Yes for sure. But did it take too much out of us? In the 2nd half one week later after the Carlow game we faded badly and energy levels were down all over the pitch, especially in the 3rd quarter. We were slow to bring on subs which made the problem worse then. If we beat Laois we can't afford to be like that against Clare.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 11/06/2024 08:53:07    2550733

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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes for sure. But did it take too much out of us? In the 2nd half one week later after the Carlow game we faded badly and energy levels were down all over the pitch, especially in the 3rd quarter. We were slow to bring on subs which made the problem worse then. If we beat Laois we can't afford to be like that against Clare."
Maybe remember it was just a 6 day turnaround and the game was played in over 20 degrees. But kilkenny had a tougher game than us...only came good at the end and kk still were pulling away from us from minute 30 to 55 or so.

I could be wrong I'm.no expert but I think kk pulled their half backs and midfield really far back on our puck outs and seriously choked the likes of chin. Bar one clean catch I think Lawlor et all were happy to bat the ball instead of trying to field it as they knew they had the numbers and their scoring from distance was sensational.

Something to consider too we needed to put 20+ points win up on Carlow, we don't need that this week so maybe the efforts got to us. It's really silly the scheduling. We'll have had 3 weeks off, Laois will have had only a week to recover. Feast or famine

WEXILE (Wexford) - Posts: 312 - 11/06/2024 21:34:37    2550889

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The championship is Limericks to lose now at this stage.

hurler301 (Tipperary) - Posts: 12 - 11/06/2024 22:31:25    2550903

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Replying To WEXILE:  "Maybe remember it was just a 6 day turnaround and the game was played in over 20 degrees. But kilkenny had a tougher game than us...only came good at the end and kk still were pulling away from us from minute 30 to 55 or so.

I could be wrong I'm.no expert but I think kk pulled their half backs and midfield really far back on our puck outs and seriously choked the likes of chin. Bar one clean catch I think Lawlor et all were happy to bat the ball instead of trying to field it as they knew they had the numbers and their scoring from distance was sensational.

Something to consider too we needed to put 20+ points win up on Carlow, we don't need that this week so maybe the efforts got to us. It's really silly the scheduling. We'll have had 3 weeks off, Laois will have had only a week to recover. Feast or famine"
Another issue in that bad period was our workrate in the forwards when Kilkennys backs had the ball seriously dropped at that time. A marquee forward who scores a few points or a goal and a few points but who let's his man directly assist in more scores than he scores is actually costing the team by being out on the pitch.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 12/06/2024 06:33:58    2550920

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