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Kilkenny had the advantage of playing in Leinster. Less competitive than Munster and easier to get to an All Ireland semi final. Limerick have come out of the intense Munster championship with injuries and Peter Casey was a big loss to them today. Agree that it's hard to see 5 in a row being done in hurling.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2300 - 07/07/2024 21:06:49 2557534 Link 0 |
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Yes but KK never lost a single game in their 4 in a row run.
Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 90 - 07/07/2024 21:28:08 2557541 Link 3 |
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As well in fairness it was a different system back then. Limerick played 23 games to win the 4 in a row, while Kilkenny played 16 games. So you have to take that into consideration.
CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 56 - 07/07/2024 21:59:10 2557546 Link 3 |
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Kilkenny suffered fair share of injuries too, Henry and John Tennyson missed the 2010 final, two huge players.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1921 - 07/07/2024 22:00:55 2557547 Link 2 |
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For me Kilkenny being unbeaten for their 4 in a row is an obvious plus point when comparing these 4 in a row teams (I read the Cork 4 in a row team way back were also beaten one year, due to foot and mouth one year the Munster championship wasn't played until after the All Ireland and Tipp, who couldn't play initally that year, beat them in the deferred Munster championship). Also remember Kilkenny won their 4 in a row in the back door era. So, if Munster teams were good enough more than one of them would have (and often did) play Kilkenny on their All Ireland winning years (didn't look ot up but I think in KK 4 in a row era they, some years may have had to play quarter finals). I'd still rate KK team of Cody era as the best ever. GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 50 - 07/07/2024 22:03:46 2557549 Link 0 |
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For me KK 4 in a row made better by coming up against 2 other great teams (Cork team of early 2000s and Tipp team in 2009 onwards) is another plus point for that team over this Limerick team.
GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 50 - 07/07/2024 22:47:26 2557563 Link 0 |
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Yes but they conceded five goals that day and we're well beaten. Having said Cork were the better team to day and got some great points. Still our boys fought to the last ball, as Limerick teams always do.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4467 - 08/07/2024 00:09:09 2557577 Link 0 |
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Ya, KK conceded 4 goals in that final and were beat by 8 points but on the plus side that year they actually made the final. The Tipperary team that beat Kilkenny that time for me was a very strong team, we saw that in subsequent years. It remains to be seen will we view the current Cork team in the same light in a few years time. GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 50 - 08/07/2024 14:10:08 2557701 Link 0 |
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If the format is round robin, 'being beaten' isn't the big deal you're making it out to be here. In fact, if you wind up as allireland champions, it's not an issue worthy of mention.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3875 - 08/07/2024 14:15:55 2557702 Link 1 |
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Brian Hogan was a bigger loss for Kilkenny in 2010. Everything went down the middle. Tipp never pushed on in the years after that. They bet Galway the following week in u21 final in Thurles, was at it, serious momentum and never followed through, because Kilkenny were still there, that's how good they were. Kilkenny got a shot of 5 in a row in terms of 70 minutes, Limerick didnt. Different era and different styles of play. If Limerick come back next year and win it, that will be some going. They have some great young prospects and will be there again for the next couple of years. Not gone yet! Biffo21 (Offaly) - Posts: 10 - 08/07/2024 14:29:59 2557708 Link 0 |
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Be careful….. there are lads here who still think Leinster is a competitive as Munster
LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 2679 - 08/07/2024 14:44:23 2557709 Link 1 |
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Well beaten maybe on scoreboard with late goals but Kilkenny hurled brilliantly that day and were right in contention with 5-6 mins left
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1921 - 08/07/2024 14:56:11 2557712 Link 0 |
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Silly comparison really. Cats were unbeatable for a couple of years as were Limerick. Both won four in a row. Both unlikely to be surpassed for quite a long time. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3131 - 08/07/2024 15:03:23 2557717 Link 0 |
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For the record, Tennyson played at centre half back in the 2010 final and, as far as I can recall, played a full game. Shefflin also lined out but lasted just 13 minutes.
midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 583 - 08/07/2024 15:04:34 2557718 Link 0 |
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Better at rugby anyway, by grace of god and all that malarkey.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3875 - 08/07/2024 15:55:02 2557736 Link 0 |
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My Irish wouldn't be as good as yours Barney, is Ring talking about getting help from referees here......each time? I knew it. My favourite quote that I saw attributed to Ring was that only CIE can afford to carry passengers on allireland final day. Might be a worry for Cork carrying Hoggy these days. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3875 - 08/07/2024 15:59:57 2557739 Link 0 |
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Love to know what this means? Bhí cabhair againn gach uair," nó focail mar sin." There was ??? within every hour, no words for that? ? can hair?? PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1377 - 08/07/2024 16:27:35 2557757 Link 0 |
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No! More,as in they had luck on their side .occasionally Which is true of every good team i suppose.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3131 - 08/07/2024 16:30:11 2557758 Link 0 |
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Hoggy had his epitaph written on many occasions over the last few years. He has answered his critics repeatedly, and have no doubt he will do so again. He got 3 nice points in second half, and we aren't dependent on any one forward. All 6 scored from play!
Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 384 - 08/07/2024 16:31:49 2557760 Link 0 |
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Regarding Kilkenny's 4 in a row in the Cody era. In the back door era saying that because the Leinster championship wasn't as competitive as the Munster championship (which it wasn't) doesn't necessarily mean it was easier for Leinster teams to win All Irelands or that it was harder for Munster teams to win All Irelands. An argument like this made more sense in the pre back door era. The reason being back then if a Leinster team were to win the All Ireland they would usually have had to play more than 1 Munster team anyway because of the backdoor and teams beaten in the Munster championship who were beaten were still in the All Ireland championship. The strongest teams came through back door to make the quarter finals/ semi finals anyway regardless of what happened in the provincial championships. To win an All Ireland back then KK usually had to beat 2 of the 5 traditional Munster counties in knockout games to win the competition. There are not that many traditional (ie competitive) hurling counties. In the back door era most of them made it the All Ireland quarter final stage where they then played knockout to win the All Ireland. Looking at Wikipedia in KKs 4 in a row run after the Leinster championship- In 2006 KK beat Galway and 2 Munster teams to win All Ireland. In 2007 KK beat Galway, Wexford (who had previously beat Tipp) and 1 Munster team to win All Ireland. In 2008 KK beat 2 Munster teams to win All Ireland. In 2009 KK beat 2 Munster teams to win All Ireland (this was first year Galway played in Leinster Championship). GreenMan1987 (Meath) - Posts: 50 - 08/07/2024 17:06:47 2557777 Link 0 |