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Kerry lost to Carlow 0-19 to 3-22
Laois beat Down 2-18 to 0-17
Meath beat Kildare 2-20 to 3-14

Carlow and Laois are favourites to make the final and secure promotion to Division 1B for next year, joining 5 counties from Division 1. Both got off to winning starts at the weekend. There won't be any relegation from Division 2A this year as the 2A semi-final loser and counties 4th to 6th will be joined by the top 3 from 2B in Division 2.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 07/02/2024 06:05:27    2524851

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Kerry lost to Carlow 0-19 to 3-22
Laois beat Down 2-18 to 0-17
Meath beat Kildare 2-20 to 3-14

Carlow and Laois are favourites to make the final and secure promotion to Division 1B for next year, joining 5 counties from Division 1. Both got off to winning starts at the weekend. There won't be any relegation from Division 2A this year as the 2A semi-final loser and counties 4th to 6th will be joined by the top 3 from 2B in Division 2."
Kerry going through a rebuilding job at the moment.

Our matches are usually tighter affairs but we don't miss Mickey Boyle
sweeping up everything for your lads.

Good luck for the rest of the year.

carlovia (None) - Posts: 1525 - 07/02/2024 10:17:51    2524870

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As a Carlowman I was really happy with the win in Kerry as we have struggled there badly in the past. I realise Kerry are in transition atm with a young team so that will stand to them going forward. There's still a lot of work to do to get out of 2A but division 1 is where you need to be if you have any hope competing in liam Mccarthy. We have meath up next who are on the back of a good win against kildare so they'll be a difficult opponent.

Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 91 - 07/02/2024 10:46:54    2524875

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Carlow's only difficult game will be against Laois. The winner will secure a place in the final and promotion. The rest are battling for a semi-final spot.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 08/02/2024 03:06:25    2525050

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Carlow and Laois have two wins from two. The favourites to make the final and promotion to Division 1B. Kerry's loss to Down has Kerry hurling supporters disgruntled with the current management.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 11/02/2024 15:46:59    2525465

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Kerry lost to Carlow 0-19 to 3-22
Laois beat Down 2-18 to 0-17
Meath beat Kildare 2-20 to 3-14

Carlow and Laois are favourites to make the final and secure promotion to Division 1B for next year, joining 5 counties from Division 1. Both got off to winning starts at the weekend. There won't be any relegation from Division 2A this year as the 2A semi-final loser and counties 4th to 6th will be joined by the top 3 from 2B in Division 2."
Watched the Kerry v Down game
Kerry were in cruise control at H/T
Just were not in it in second half

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 713 - 11/02/2024 16:35:05    2525476

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Replying To Blackbog:  "Watched the Kerry v Down game
Kerry were in cruise control at H/T
Just were not in it in second half"
Kerry have had a good record against counties outside of the top 15. It's not a defeat that will sit well and has concerns McDonagh status could be in jeopardy. No disrespect to Down who competed well in 2A two years ago and even won in Tralee in the first round of the McDonagh before Kerry recovered to get to the final against Antrim.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 12/02/2024 09:29:32    2525568

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Kerry have had a good record against counties outside of the top 15. It's not a defeat that will sit well and has concerns McDonagh status could be in jeopardy. No disrespect to Down who competed well in 2A two years ago and even won in Tralee in the first round of the McDonagh before Kerry recovered to get to the final against Antrim."
Down have a few lads back and stronger panel. Fully expected them to take Kerry who have lost a few key players. especially as was a home game.
Carlow and Kildare games will give a better indication of where Down are at but early indications are that they are improving.

HurlingObserver (Down) - Posts: 61 - 12/02/2024 12:25:53    2525623

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Replying To HurlingObserver:  "Down have a few lads back and stronger panel. Fully expected them to take Kerry who have lost a few key players. especially as was a home game.
Carlow and Kildare games will give a better indication of where Down are at but early indications are that they are improving."
Down looked very sharp in second half

Blackbog (Carlow) - Posts: 713 - 13/02/2024 13:41:04    2525851

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Replying To HurlingObserver:  "Down have a few lads back and stronger panel. Fully expected them to take Kerry who have lost a few key players. especially as was a home game.
Carlow and Kildare games will give a better indication of where Down are at but early indications are that they are improving."
What about the first game against Laois?
For Kerry, being well beaten by Carlow and losing to a county outside of the top 15 is a worrying start.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 13/02/2024 13:52:28    2525854

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Replying To legendzxix:  "What about the first game against Laois?
For Kerry, being well beaten by Carlow and losing to a county outside of the top 15 is a worrying start."
In fairness Down over the years would always fancy their chances against Kerry and as things stand Down are most certainly a top 15 team. Carlow and Laois probably be the top 2 behind top 11

HurlingObserver (Down) - Posts: 61 - 13/02/2024 14:47:33    2525869

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Replying To legendzxix:  "What about the first game against Laois?
For Kerry, being well beaten by Carlow and losing to a county outside of the top 15 is a worrying start."
I'd have Antrim, Westmeath, Carlow, Offaly, Laois as the next 5 outside the top 9. Not sure I'd say Down were outside the top 15 as such. Who do you think should be 15th?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 13/02/2024 15:16:44    2525874

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Down were traditionally a more established hurling county previously playing in div1 for a good few years in the 90s early 2000s and putting in respectable all Ireland semi final performances against the likes of Cork. However have fallen of recently but are on the up again it would seem.

Current rankings from ourgame.ie below - I would add Laois, Carlow, Offaly and then Down as 15th

Limerick (no change)
Kilkenny (no change)
Galway (no change)
Clare (no change)
Tipperary (+3)
Cork (-1)
Waterford (-1)
Dublin (+1)
Wexford (-2)
Antrim(+1)
Westmeath (-1)

upandwin (Down) - Posts: 112 - 13/02/2024 15:35:26    2525878

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Replying To HurlingObserver:  "In fairness Down over the years would always fancy their chances against Kerry and as things stand Down are most certainly a top 15 team. Carlow and Laois probably be the top 2 behind top 11"
I take your point. Kerry have been consistently top 15 however. That brings a reasonable expectation. There are definitely concerns that is under threat.
Down can't be considered a top 15 team until achieving at least a top 4 in the McDonagh. Down have been consistently just outside the top 15.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 14/02/2024 03:53:21    2525961

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Replying To Viking66:  "I'd have Antrim, Westmeath, Carlow, Offaly, Laois as the next 5 outside the top 9. Not sure I'd say Down were outside the top 15 as such. Who do you think should be 15th?"
Kerry have been consistently top 15. Three McDonagh finals followed by a slip to 4th last year. Carlow and Offaly have moved above Kerry.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 14/02/2024 04:03:02    2525962

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Replying To upandwin:  "Down were traditionally a more established hurling county previously playing in div1 for a good few years in the 90s early 2000s and putting in respectable all Ireland semi final performances against the likes of Cork. However have fallen of recently but are on the up again it would seem.

Current rankings from ourgame.ie below - I would add Laois, Carlow, Offaly and then Down as 15th

Limerick (no change)
Kilkenny (no change)
Galway (no change)
Clare (no change)
Tipperary (+3)
Cork (-1)
Waterford (-1)
Dublin (+1)
Wexford (-2)
Antrim(+1)
Westmeath (-1)"
It could well be the case at the end of the season but for now you are jumping the gun. Carlow missed on the 2A semi-finals last year and yet won the McDonagh. Kerry can have a poor league, no relegation from 2A this year.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 14/02/2024 04:08:21    2525963

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Replying To legendzxix:  "It could well be the case at the end of the season but for now you are jumping the gun. Carlow missed on the 2A semi-finals last year and yet won the McDonagh. Kerry can have a poor league, no relegation from 2A this year."
You mentioned losing to Down as losing to a county outside the top 15. Are you basing that on the Joe Mcdonagh Cup from last year?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13886 - 14/02/2024 08:01:51    2525970

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Replying To Viking66:  "You mentioned losing to Down as losing to a county outside the top 15. Are you basing that on the Joe Mcdonagh Cup from last year?"
I am basing it on last year's McDonagh. Even taking 2022 into account, Down are consistently outside the top 15 so far. People can get too carried away by the league. Carlow last year being the best example of delivering in championship. Down '22 and Kildare '23 got to the 2A final only to finish below 4th in the McDonagh.
Down to be fair are knocking on the door. They have dealth with Meath and Kildare trying to dispose them of their McDonagh status. The next step for Down is challenging higher. Kerry are concerned for now. Down have given previous warnings e.g. in Tralee in 2022.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 14/02/2024 09:22:55    2525976

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From what I seen so far Offaly would be 12 with Laois and Carlow behind them. Behind that you have Down, Kerry and Kildare pushing for top 15. Based on form Kerry would be at tale end of this trio but with some of the big players to come back it would even it up. Meath are also looking good. That would be my top 18. No idea how things look below this list.. The likes of Wicklow, London, Mayo and Derry has performed at decent levels in recent years but have fell off.

dingle82 (Down) - Posts: 231 - 14/02/2024 09:33:15    2525979

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Replying To dingle82:  "From what I seen so far Offaly would be 12 with Laois and Carlow behind them. Behind that you have Down, Kerry and Kildare pushing for top 15. Based on form Kerry would be at tale end of this trio but with some of the big players to come back it would even it up. Meath are also looking good. That would be my top 18. No idea how things look below this list.. The likes of Wicklow, London, Mayo and Derry has performed at decent levels in recent years but have fell off."
Kildare are in the Ring this year despite making last year's 2A final. One swallow doesn't make a summer for Down! It was an important win on Saturday though, and worrying for Kerry.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 14/02/2024 10:44:19    2526000

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