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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "This about the members of Cork GAA stopping same crowd making another short sighted financially motivated decision!

The "hassle" (cultural assault is actually more accurate) is aimed at further commercialisation and dumbing down of what was once part of the Irish revolution. Those who mentioned Pearse get that."
Agree 100 percent. The origins in our organisation are to preserve irishness in the midst of a global conquering power.

If we lose sight of that we've lost everything.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3143 - 17/01/2024 19:23:27    2520705

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "This about the members of Cork GAA stopping same crowd making another short sighted financially motivated decision!

The "hassle" (cultural assault is actually more accurate) is aimed at further commercialisation and dumbing down of what was once part of the Irish revolution. Those who mentioned Pearse get that."
Hope the members of Cork GAA don't expect the rest of us to pay for their Stadium?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1954 - 17/01/2024 19:30:33    2520707

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "This about the members of Cork GAA stopping same crowd making another short sighted financially motivated decision!

The "hassle" (cultural assault is actually more accurate) is aimed at further commercialisation and dumbing down of what was once part of the Irish revolution. Those who mentioned Pearse get that."
As a member of the GAA, I want them to pay back the money they owe the GAA as soon as possible, every last penny. I couldn't care less how they do it. Beggars can't be choosers, they're lucky that a brand like Supervalu even wants to be associated with the financial mess that is Cork GAA. They're in no position to be start dictating what they want to do. That tends to happen when you loose control of the cheque book.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1024 - 17/01/2024 20:45:18    2520717

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Carlow, Longford, Wicklow and Leitrim four of the lesser successful counties allowed their county grounds name to be adjusted a little by a business firm for a financial gain.

There was no great hullabaloo made by anyone as a result, from memory it barely got a mention through the media, just wondering.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3050 - 17/01/2024 21:05:22    2520720

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "This about the members of Cork GAA stopping same crowd making another short sighted financially motivated decision!

The "hassle" (cultural assault is actually more accurate) is aimed at further commercialisation and dumbing down of what was once part of the Irish revolution. Those who mentioned Pearse get that."
I have to wonder when the naming of a grounds became part of the Irish culture? if we are true the ancient games there wouldn't be any stadiums and we would be all playing in open fields. So please inform the rest of us of what is an isn't Irish culture? The GAA a long time ago - who knows when it really started, accepted money from businesses, everyone was happy that the GAA accepted at the HQ level sponsorship from Tobacco and Alcohol companies but I guess smoking and drinking is part of the Irish culture? The GAA quite rightly realized that taking money from these companies was not in line with its vision and purpose however I would like you to show where the naming of a Stadium contradicts with what the GAA is about.
As other posters have pointed out this has happened in many other counties and nobody raised any issues - are the people who play GAA In those counties somehow lesser of Irish people than you?
As for the naming of cups and grounds after individuals - the GAA survives on volunteers (which for most of Ó Caoimh's involvement he was not- what makes one persons contribution any greater than the other? Venerating individuals can be left to the church.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 18/01/2024 02:05:34    2520740

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Agree 100 percent. The origins in our organisation are to preserve irishness in the midst of a global conquering power.

If we lose sight of that we've lost everything."
Lost everything? Get a grip of yourself. Sometimes things just evolve. The technology and thinking from the days of Cusack and Pearse, albeit great visionaries for their time, has accelerated on.

I mean, for a guy like you, would you rather still watch a match on a black n white 14" TV screen in the pokey corner of your dim-lit kitchen because that is the way we always had to do it in the 60's and 70's or would you rather watch it on a 70" big color screen with almost 3-D effects, because that is what progression brings?

The authorities in charge of O'Keeffe Park in Cork can decide to change its name whatever way they choose fit.

It's a shame that there isn't such a rush to change the names of any clubs or grounds around the country, associated with the pro-slavery bigot, John Mitchell! Hero, mo thoin!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2095 - 18/01/2024 03:18:31    2520741

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Replying To supersub15:  "Carlow, Longford, Wicklow and Leitrim four of the lesser successful counties allowed their county grounds name to be adjusted a little by a business firm for a financial gain.

There was no great hullabaloo made by anyone as a result, from memory it barely got a mention through the media, just wondering."
UPMC Nowlan Park?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2654 - 18/01/2024 05:58:06    2520743

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "UPMC Nowlan Park?"
What about it? Did you read his post? Lots of counties have taken the coin from the corporate world including my own but because it's Cork we're all hearing about how unjust it is. Some joke in fairness.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1024 - 18/01/2024 08:41:02    2520749

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Replying To supersub15:  "Carlow, Longford, Wicklow and Leitrim four of the lesser successful counties allowed their county grounds name to be adjusted a little by a business firm for a financial gain.

There was no great hullabaloo made by anyone as a result, from memory it barely got a mention through the media, just wondering."
There was actually some controversy in Carlow when it became Netwatch Cullen Park rather than Netwatch Doctor Cullen Park.

Think the feeling was that the name Netwatch Doctor Cullen Park would be too long. Some people were offended that the Doctor Cullen in question (a former Bishop, who'd died just a few months before the Park was opened in the 1930s) was no longer being given his proper title.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 18/01/2024 09:04:04    2520752

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Replying To zinny:  "I have to wonder when the naming of a grounds became part of the Irish culture? if we are true the ancient games there wouldn't be any stadiums and we would be all playing in open fields. So please inform the rest of us of what is an isn't Irish culture? The GAA a long time ago - who knows when it really started, accepted money from businesses, everyone was happy that the GAA accepted at the HQ level sponsorship from Tobacco and Alcohol companies but I guess smoking and drinking is part of the Irish culture? The GAA quite rightly realized that taking money from these companies was not in line with its vision and purpose however I would like you to show where the naming of a Stadium contradicts with what the GAA is about.
As other posters have pointed out this has happened in many other counties and nobody raised any issues - are the people who play GAA In those counties somehow lesser of Irish people than you?
As for the naming of cups and grounds after individuals - the GAA survives on volunteers (which for most of Ó Caoimh's involvement he was not- what makes one persons contribution any greater than the other? Venerating individuals can be left to the church."
Good post Zinny

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13867 - 18/01/2024 09:33:42    2520756

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Replying To Square_B:  "What about it? Did you read his post? Lots of counties have taken the coin from the corporate world including my own but because it's Cork we're all hearing about how unjust it is. Some joke in fairness."
Nah, point remains that the main part of the controversy isn't over adding "SuperValu" to the name of the stadium, but is instead about the proposed removal of "Uí Chaoimh".

Would be like if your ground was just called "Avant Money Park" rather than "Avant Money Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada".

Cork people are attached to the Uí Chaoimh name and want to keep it, in the same way Leitrim people would surely want to keep the Seán Mac Diarmada names for yours.

However, I can't help thinking there's a bit of an irony in all this too -

If a new county ground was being built today and the proposal was to name it in memory of a paid administrator of the GAA rather than some great player of the past or some other local personality, there'd probably be uproar.

An example I can think of here in Wexford is Martin O'Neill - he was Secretary of the Leinster Council for more than 40 years between 1920s and 1960s, and other claims to fame are that he refereed the All-Ireland Football Final in New York in 1947.

I'd say if Wexford County Board announced plans for a new county ground to be called "Martin O'Neill Park", people would be giving out, and saying it should be called after Nickey Rackard or somebody similar instead.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 18/01/2024 10:39:31    2520773

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Lost everything? Get a grip of yourself. Sometimes things just evolve. The technology and thinking from the days of Cusack and Pearse, albeit great visionaries for their time, has accelerated on.

I mean, for a guy like you, would you rather still watch a match on a black n white 14" TV screen in the pokey corner of your dim-lit kitchen because that is the way we always had to do it in the 60's and 70's or would you rather watch it on a 70" big color screen with almost 3-D effects, because that is what progression brings?

The authorities in charge of O'Keeffe Park in Cork can decide to change its name whatever way they choose fit.

It's a shame that there isn't such a rush to change the names of any clubs or grounds around the country, associated with the pro-slavery bigot, John Mitchell! Hero, mo thoin!"
Progress is fine. I am saying we need to consider the cost. Cork will do what cork want to do. I'm saying I disapprove of the concept that everything is for sale. You can't put a price on heritage.

Intangible values can be forever.

To answer your question, regardless of what decade I'd like to be at the game.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3143 - 18/01/2024 12:50:58    2520805

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Nah, point remains that the main part of the controversy isn't over adding "SuperValu" to the name of the stadium, but is instead about the proposed removal of "Uí Chaoimh".

Would be like if your ground was just called "Avant Money Park" rather than "Avant Money Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada".

Cork people are attached to the Uí Chaoimh name and want to keep it, in the same way Leitrim people would surely want to keep the Seán Mac Diarmada names for yours.

However, I can't help thinking there's a bit of an irony in all this too -

If a new county ground was being built today and the proposal was to name it in memory of a paid administrator of the GAA rather than some great player of the past or some other local personality, there'd probably be uproar.

An example I can think of here in Wexford is Martin O'Neill - he was Secretary of the Leinster Council for more than 40 years between 1920s and 1960s, and other claims to fame are that he refereed the All-Ireland Football Final in New York in 1947.

I'd say if Wexford County Board announced plans for a new county ground to be called "Martin O'Neill Park", people would be giving out, and saying it should be called after Nickey Rackard or somebody similar instead."
I get that. But Supervalu are no fools either. That's what they want, and the price they are willing to pay is pitched on that basis. Our friends over in Munster Rugby have agreed to let Musgrave Park be called Virgin Media Park with no big fanfare. Munster are in debt to the IRFU for a similer amount as Cork GAA as well. To be honest, my own county ground will be always be 'Pairc Sean' (MacDiarmada) exactly like 'The Aviva' to me is Lansdowne Road. I refuse to call it anything else. If some company wants to put their name to it, we'll happily relieve of them of a few euro. In any event, Cork are in no position to be too picky. Supervalu could also decide to walk away as well. It's time for a few people to suck up their pride and get real.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1024 - 18/01/2024 13:05:51    2520808

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I would say it would be the most ironically named GAA stadium in history since it has been terrible value!

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 18/01/2024 14:39:44    2520823

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Replying To Ryanteam:  "SuperValu is an apt name for the stadium. 87 million from Croke Park to pay for it. Isn't that Super value??"
Posted before I read the thread.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 18/01/2024 14:54:53    2520828

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Posted before I read the thread."
The ordinary people of Cork have always referred to it as "De Park". will that change?
In Galway it has always been referred to as "The Stadium".

Considering Musgraves own Super Valu I'm surprised they allowed the name change to the rugby park in Cork.

SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 327 - 18/01/2024 15:16:35    2520831

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Progress is fine. I am saying we need to consider the cost. Cork will do what cork want to do. I'm saying I disapprove of the concept that everything is for sale. You can't put a price on heritage.

Intangible values can be forever.

To answer your question, regardless of what decade I'd like to be at the game."
Nothing like being at the game Doylerwex. And tbh whatever they call PUC, personally I call it Franks Folly I suppose that is honouring a great Cork Gael, it's a great stadium and aside from the youngest fella locking himself in the toilet it provides for a great family experience. It took 2 hours after the League game last year to reach the Low Road though. I'd dread to think what it would be like if it was full. I could've carried all 4 kids there quicker walking one by one. The last day before that the kids were too small so I went by motorbike;-)

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13867 - 18/01/2024 15:16:46    2520832

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Who cares what the Stadium is called really?

I think a lot of people romanticise about days gone by and history etc. etc. But prior to redevelopment, the old Pairc was not fit for purpose, had the tightest leg room/seating of any county ground in the country and I would say was actually a health and safety risk (i.e. the tunnels accessing the terraces we too tight etc.)

The new stadium is modern and safe venue which will stand the test of time for years to come. If we are all honest, facilities wise, this is probably the best GAA Stadium outside of Croke Park in terms of modern seating, unobstructed views and Corporate/media facilities etc.

All this costs money, but for some reason GAA people get too hung up on tradition and volunteerism and often look down from their pedestals on people who perhaps can't volunteer in their local club every week for one reason or another. People providing financial support can have just as important and impact on GAA Clubs as volunteers helping out on the Ground but this is overlooked a lot in the GAA. Sponsors and Corporate events/donors are the backbone of many a GAA club's finances and if there money to be got from Sponsors for putting their name on a jersey or Stadium/pitch then the commercial reality is this had to be considered and I don't blame the Cork County Board for going the route they have

LimerickandProud (Limerick) - Posts: 94 - 18/01/2024 16:29:46    2520846

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Replying To SixtiesKid:  "The ordinary people of Cork have always referred to it as "De Park". will that change?
In Galway it has always been referred to as "The Stadium".

Considering Musgraves own Super Valu I'm surprised they allowed the name change to the rugby park in Cork."
Most people I know around the country just refer to Pearse Stadium as Salthill including me!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13867 - 18/01/2024 17:11:38    2520861

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Replying To LimerickandProud:  "Who cares what the Stadium is called really?

I think a lot of people romanticise about days gone by and history etc. etc. But prior to redevelopment, the old Pairc was not fit for purpose, had the tightest leg room/seating of any county ground in the country and I would say was actually a health and safety risk (i.e. the tunnels accessing the terraces we too tight etc.)

The new stadium is modern and safe venue which will stand the test of time for years to come. If we are all honest, facilities wise, this is probably the best GAA Stadium outside of Croke Park in terms of modern seating, unobstructed views and Corporate/media facilities etc.

All this costs money, but for some reason GAA people get too hung up on tradition and volunteerism and often look down from their pedestals on people who perhaps can't volunteer in their local club every week for one reason or another. People providing financial support can have just as important and impact on GAA Clubs as volunteers helping out on the Ground but this is overlooked a lot in the GAA. Sponsors and Corporate events/donors are the backbone of many a GAA club's finances and if there money to be got from Sponsors for putting their name on a jersey or Stadium/pitch then the commercial reality is this had to be considered and I don't blame the Cork County Board for going the route they have"
Anybody can find time for a bit of voluntary work at their local club if they want to. It just means not doing something else, or not doing as much of it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13867 - 18/01/2024 17:41:36    2520863

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