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Replying To Viking66:  "Sean O Brien won't be. He will still be minor next year.
Lads I'd be expecting to step up are Darragh Kehoe and Eoin Whelan. Rowley and Simon Roche are still u20 next year. Think it's unreasonable to expect a lad like Oisin Moore or Jack Dunne to step up from Minor to Senior. Hopefully they can step up to u20."
Just to clarify Viking I used the term "in around the panel". That's how you get young superstars. It worked with Mac, guiney, Rory etc.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3142 - 24/07/2024 15:18:33    2561257

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Replying To WEXILE:  "I think Mogie and O'Hanlon did play a huge role this year to be fair"
They will be big losses but they're in decline. If Matt was two years younger we'd have beaten Antrim. I know mogie still started but wouldn't have had near the contribution of 22, 23. Not knocking them at all, I just think time is up.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3142 - 24/07/2024 15:20:10    2561259

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Replying To WEXILE:  "I think Mogie and O'Hanlon did play a huge role this year to be fair"
Tbh both would have plenty to offer next year if they would commit.
If Paudie Foley and Carty came back, Patsy was fully fit, and Whelan and Kehoe made the step up to Senior, then maybe Matthews size especially, but also his distribution forwards, wouldn't be missed as badly at the back.
Likewise if Oisin Foley and Flood were fully fit, and maybe a few others stepped up, then maybe Mogie wouldn't be missed as badly either.
Impossible to say who will be injured or in form next year at this stage though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13861 - 24/07/2024 15:43:23    2561267

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "I think it is overly negative as well DoyleWex.

Wexford just need to get the knack of seeing out matches, not conceding 2 goals like they did v us. And just beating the likes of Antrim because they are better hurlers.

And as someone said above, start standing up for yourselves. Nobody has your back in competitive sport. Demand answers as to why their request months in advance of the quarter final fell on deaf ears. Demand answers to the questionable refereeing decisions. Demand answers as to why the linesman didn't tell Johnny Murphy the players were encroaching at the start of the Clare game. Demand answers about the u20 farce. Figure out the schools hurling situation
and find out HOW a combined colleges SHOULD be structured to work. Find out how Offaly made it work.

Because if you tolerate this, then your children will be next as the song goes.

But I am adamant the whole of Leinster is trailing Munster so everybody in the whole province and Galway need to up our game. Only Kilkenny can hold their head high and even they would view the year as a disappointment with their 2nd half display v Clare. If Wexford got that far and lost it would be "great year, won Leinster, fell short in semi" but Kilkenny bar is on one thing. "Did we bring home Liam McCarthy"? And anything else is a failure."
Maybe it is pessimistic lads but the way I see it. Lots of the same players were involved in the Westmeath debacle the year before so it's far from this year. That inconsistency kills us. I did like what I saw from Conor Foley and Cian Byrne this year, there was a bit of cut (and quality) in both of them that you need. So maybe a few more can push ahead next year and nail down spots.

Agreed also on Chin, putting him in full forward changed our style of play completely from the league and that was a tactical error. He had no impact in any case against KK or Clare, not a great example seeing puckouts being regularly caught over him like happened on both days. HF line only, might need to shift a bit of bulk and improve his work rate too. Watching Harnedy or O'Donnell last few games, that's what I expect from Lee.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 24/07/2024 16:50:23    2561285

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Maybe it is pessimistic lads but the way I see it. Lots of the same players were involved in the Westmeath debacle the year before so it's far from this year. That inconsistency kills us. I did like what I saw from Conor Foley and Cian Byrne this year, there was a bit of cut (and quality) in both of them that you need. So maybe a few more can push ahead next year and nail down spots.

Agreed also on Chin, putting him in full forward changed our style of play completely from the league and that was a tactical error. He had no impact in any case against KK or Clare, not a great example seeing puckouts being regularly caught over him like happened on both days. HF line only, might need to shift a bit of bulk and improve his work rate too. Watching Harnedy or O'Donnell last few games, that's what I expect from Lee."
I suspect chin is carrying some kind of injury. Thought he was in nowlan park and has spent most of his time in full forward with the harriers so far in the club championship

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 528 - 24/07/2024 17:13:35    2561294

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "They will be big losses but they're in decline. If Matt was two years younger we'd have beaten Antrim. I know mogie still started but wouldn't have had near the contribution of 22, 23. Not knocking them at all, I just think time is up."
I agree Doyler. Some players can go on until they are 35 or 36. The likes of TJ or Horgan or conlon.
Some are burnt out at 29,30 or 31. Or maybe they can't commit for another season for various reasons. I feel that Matt and Mogie might fall into the latter category. Great servants to Wexford over many years but I think that father time may have caught up with them.
I would also be fearful about Jippo and Chin bearing in mind the injuries that have plagued them in the last few years.
Viking is right about the panel that we may have next year even if the above named players are gone.
I think that Leinster is wide open and we are well capable of reaching or winning the province.
If everyone is available and fully committed we could well surprise us and our opponents.
With Kilkenny beatable,Galway in decline, Dublin flakey and we really should be capable of beating Antrim at home. However as usual our inconsistency may come back to haunt us once again.

Magpie2 (Wexford) - Posts: 386 - 24/07/2024 17:39:38    2561306

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Maybe it is pessimistic lads but the way I see it. Lots of the same players were involved in the Westmeath debacle the year before so it's far from this year. That inconsistency kills us. I did like what I saw from Conor Foley and Cian Byrne this year, there was a bit of cut (and quality) in both of them that you need. So maybe a few more can push ahead next year and nail down spots.

Agreed also on Chin, putting him in full forward changed our style of play completely from the league and that was a tactical error. He had no impact in any case against KK or Clare, not a great example seeing puckouts being regularly caught over him like happened on both days. HF line only, might need to shift a bit of bulk and improve his work rate too. Watching Harnedy or O'Donnell last few games, that's what I expect from Lee."
Rory and Chin vs Galway = 1-17 combined
Vs Kilkenny = 9 points

Rory spent the majority of the Galway game inside the 65 at least, for the Kilkenny game he was out around midfield, yes he has accuracy from range but 1-5 from playing inside vs 0-2 from playing outside, I know where I much rather prefer seeing him, towards the end of the Laois game he and McDonald swapped, the game was virtually over, why not just let him play inside along with Conor?

OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 144 - 24/07/2024 18:11:27    2561312

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Just to clarify Viking I used the term "in around the panel". That's how you get young superstars. It worked with Mac, guiney, Rory etc."
Not sure what happened with Jack Dunne this year but he wasn't as good as I thought he would be. Oisin Moore is tenacious and plays with great intensity but he doesn't have the hurling or X factor that Rory, Guiney and Mac had at that age.
That's not running either lad down. They are different style players to eachother and both could end up playing Senior Intercounty if they really want to and drive themselves on. But neither are explosive players like the 3 lads you mentioned there. Hyland might be, but lacks the bite of Rory. Or even Moore. Drifted out of alot of the minor games this year. Rhys Wickham might be in time, but is very light, and in any case is minor again next year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13861 - 24/07/2024 18:14:58    2561313

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "I suspect chin is carrying some kind of injury. Thought he was in nowlan park and has spent most of his time in full forward with the harriers so far in the club championship"
Was talking to someone who would know and he said he wasn't, as far as anyone else connected to the Senior hurlers knows.
But I still think he might have been and just didn't let on.
Only Lee Chin knows the answer to that question.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13861 - 24/07/2024 18:18:04    2561315

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Rory and Chin vs Galway = 1-17 combined
Vs Kilkenny = 9 points

Rory spent the majority of the Galway game inside the 65 at least, for the Kilkenny game he was out around midfield, yes he has accuracy from range but 1-5 from playing inside vs 0-2 from playing outside, I know where I much rather prefer seeing him, towards the end of the Laois game he and McDonald swapped, the game was virtually over, why not just let him play inside along with Conor?"
Granted it was for about 15 mins until he lost the head and got sent off but I thought Rory caused a lot of problems by running at Clare from deep. I thought he played in a similar position v Galway to be honest. He's not an option from puckouts though which is a real problem for us generally in the HF line Rory infuriates really, at least as talented as likes of Cody, Gillane, Whelan but look at their level of conditioning v his.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 24/07/2024 21:00:44    2561336

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "I suspect chin is carrying some kind of injury. Thought he was in nowlan park and has spent most of his time in full forward with the harriers so far in the club championship"
I agree has looked to be moving freely at all since the Carlow game. Maybe he picked an injury in training or his hamstring flared up again? He hurled well against Laois but got away with being that fraction slower than he normally is.

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 359 - 24/07/2024 21:10:54    2561340

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Rory and Chin vs Galway = 1-17 combined
Vs Kilkenny = 9 points

Rory spent the majority of the Galway game inside the 65 at least, for the Kilkenny game he was out around midfield, yes he has accuracy from range but 1-5 from playing inside vs 0-2 from playing outside, I know where I much rather prefer seeing him, towards the end of the Laois game he and McDonald swapped, the game was virtually over, why not just let him play inside along with Conor?"
Think Rory at 11 Mac at 14 and I'd love to see Lee at 6. Who knows he could be our John Conlon. I would love to see him tried for a few league games there. We really could build a serious spine to the team with Jippo at 3 , Chin at 6 , Rory at 11 and Mac at 14 .

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 359 - 24/07/2024 21:16:36    2561341

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Think Rory at 11 Mac at 14 and I'd love to see Lee at 6. Who knows he could be our John Conlon. I would love to see him tried for a few league games there. We really could build a serious spine to the team with Jippo at 3 , Chin at 6 , Rory at 11 and Mac at 14 ."
Is Mac fast or fit enough, or willing enough, to make the runs out from inside for 80 minutes a game though? I suggested Lee at 6 a few years ago and most of the lads posting at that time laughed at me. I do think now we are lacking ball winning half forwards in a big way, and would sooner see him out there rather than inside, or at 6 as things are now.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13861 - 24/07/2024 21:58:05    2561354

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Here's one for ye now and it's a bit off topic and might cause some controversy -

Finally got around to watching Liam Griffins Laochra Gael last night for the first time, great watch if anyone hasn't seen it it's on the TG4 player as well . He said "if we didn't win something before the end of the century, we were gone".

By that point in 1995 we had won 3 Leinster titles 70,76,77 and 1 league in 73 since the 68 All Ireland (27 years) and contested three all Ireland finals granted we didn't play a semi final in 77. I'll also throw in the Alley winning the club AI in 89. With them and Rathnure making it to three other finals in that period.

I wasn't around back then, but by all accounts those are considered to be pretty barron years for Wexford hurling, particularly the 80s.

Times are different, but could this period since 1996, now 28 years be considered worse than that period? I do think there was an opportunity to make AI Finals in 01, 03 (drawn games) and 2019 also

OpenStandWall (Wexford) - Posts: 144 - 25/07/2024 11:33:40    2561450

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Here's one for ye now and it's a bit off topic and might cause some controversy -

Finally got around to watching Liam Griffins Laochra Gael last night for the first time, great watch if anyone hasn't seen it it's on the TG4 player as well . He said "if we didn't win something before the end of the century, we were gone".

By that point in 1995 we had won 3 Leinster titles 70,76,77 and 1 league in 73 since the 68 All Ireland (27 years) and contested three all Ireland finals granted we didn't play a semi final in 77. I'll also throw in the Alley winning the club AI in 89. With them and Rathnure making it to three other finals in that period.

I wasn't around back then, but by all accounts those are considered to be pretty barron years for Wexford hurling, particularly the 80s.

Times are different, but could this period since 1996, now 28 years be considered worse than that period? I do think there was an opportunity to make AI Finals in 01, 03 (drawn games) and 2019 also"
We were desperately unlucky in 98 when Dooley scored that last minute goal.
The only thing I'd say about this millennium is this, Kilkenny and Limerick have had probably the best 2 hurling teams ever, and Tipp, Clare, Waterford and Galway have probably had their 2nd best teams ever. Tipps 60s team, Clares 90s team, Galways 80s team and Waterfords late 50s team would probably be considered those counties best teams. When you consider all that, it's probably not all that surprising we haven't won much, especially when you consider the teams we have had this millennium wouldn't be considered down here to have been as good as the teams we had in the 90s, the 60s, the 50s or even the 70s.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13861 - 25/07/2024 12:15:35    2561462

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Here's one for ye now and it's a bit off topic and might cause some controversy -

Finally got around to watching Liam Griffins Laochra Gael last night for the first time, great watch if anyone hasn't seen it it's on the TG4 player as well . He said "if we didn't win something before the end of the century, we were gone".

By that point in 1995 we had won 3 Leinster titles 70,76,77 and 1 league in 73 since the 68 All Ireland (27 years) and contested three all Ireland finals granted we didn't play a semi final in 77. I'll also throw in the Alley winning the club AI in 89. With them and Rathnure making it to three other finals in that period.

I wasn't around back then, but by all accounts those are considered to be pretty barron years for Wexford hurling, particularly the 80s.

Times are different, but could this period since 1996, now 28 years be considered worse than that period? I do think there was an opportunity to make AI Finals in 01, 03 (drawn games) and 2019 also"
The biggest difference now is that at least there's a bigger opportunity to progress in the championship. Up to '97 there was no second chance. Wexford had some fine teams between '68 and'96 . lost to a fine cork team in '96 and '97. Thought the '93 team in particular was a very good team. Lost the league final after 3 games v cork and then Kilkenny scored a wonder point to draw the Leinster final and beat us in the replay. Would've been interesting to see that team get a second chance. The worst time for me was the mid/late 00's when we seemed lost as a hurling county until Liam dunne came along as manager.

HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 528 - 25/07/2024 12:23:53    2561465

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Here's one for ye now and it's a bit off topic and might cause some controversy -

Finally got around to watching Liam Griffins Laochra Gael last night for the first time, great watch if anyone hasn't seen it it's on the TG4 player as well . He said "if we didn't win something before the end of the century, we were gone".

By that point in 1995 we had won 3 Leinster titles 70,76,77 and 1 league in 73 since the 68 All Ireland (27 years) and contested three all Ireland finals granted we didn't play a semi final in 77. I'll also throw in the Alley winning the club AI in 89. With them and Rathnure making it to three other finals in that period.

I wasn't around back then, but by all accounts those are considered to be pretty barron years for Wexford hurling, particularly the 80s.

Times are different, but could this period since 1996, now 28 years be considered worse than that period? I do think there was an opportunity to make AI Finals in 01, 03 (drawn games) and 2019 also"
Back in that day if there had have been a back door system . We would definitely have been in contention for all irelands winning them maybe not but we must certainly woukd have been on 1 or 2 finals at least
You are right there is a danger we are falling further behind year on year .
Let's hope not .
Positivity and realism need to be more closely linked.
Negativity needs to be changed to constructive participation .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 25/07/2024 12:26:13    2561467

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Replying To OpenStandWall:  "Here's one for ye now and it's a bit off topic and might cause some controversy -

Finally got around to watching Liam Griffins Laochra Gael last night for the first time, great watch if anyone hasn't seen it it's on the TG4 player as well . He said "if we didn't win something before the end of the century, we were gone".

By that point in 1995 we had won 3 Leinster titles 70,76,77 and 1 league in 73 since the 68 All Ireland (27 years) and contested three all Ireland finals granted we didn't play a semi final in 77. I'll also throw in the Alley winning the club AI in 89. With them and Rathnure making it to three other finals in that period.

I wasn't around back then, but by all accounts those are considered to be pretty barron years for Wexford hurling, particularly the 80s.

Times are different, but could this period since 1996, now 28 years be considered worse than that period? I do think there was an opportunity to make AI Finals in 01, 03 (drawn games) and 2019 also"
Id be afraid our wait for another all Ireland could stretch into the 2030s . I find it hard to see us winning one in the next few years hope im wrong

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 359 - 25/07/2024 12:32:25    2561471

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Replying To Viking66:  "Is Mac fast or fit enough, or willing enough, to make the runs out from inside for 80 minutes a game though? I suggested Lee at 6 a few years ago and most of the lads posting at that time laughed at me. I do think now we are lacking ball winning half forwards in a big way, and would sooner see him out there rather than inside, or at 6 as things are now."
Lee chin has never hurled centre back for his club wouldn't work,at least Hannon and Conlon hurled centre back for their clubs!!! I'd be confident that what we have available for centre back would be alot better!!!!

theboys (Wexford) - Posts: 236 - 25/07/2024 17:48:37    2561565

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Replying To Viking66:  "Is Mac fast or fit enough, or willing enough, to make the runs out from inside for 80 minutes a game though? I suggested Lee at 6 a few years ago and most of the lads posting at that time laughed at me. I do think now we are lacking ball winning half forwards in a big way, and would sooner see him out there rather than inside, or at 6 as things are now."
Conlan had the humility to go back into a completely new position late in his career. Not saying Chin wouldn't do it if asked but I always thought him playing in the full forward line was a bit more for his benefit than the team. To be fair I thought he worked like a trooper that day v Galway forcing turnovers etc but we got very little out of him v KK and Clare.

With other options, It might be a stretch to think P Foley can come back from Aus and be our starting 6. Not exactly sure what happened Molloy this year but from watching him at underage and club level, thought he was a cert to make step up to senior level. Damien Reck isnt a 6 anyway.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 25/07/2024 19:01:29    2561579

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