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What I said is not incorrect though. They have 8 Senior Club Sides that participate in the Senior Club Championship. They have 16 teams in the County Championship which is a separate competition. Their representatives in Munster club will be from the Club Championship Dingle as a divisional side won the County Championship. They have an unfair advantage over other counties due to their lack of standalone club senior sides. Sounds like your trying to make an argument for the sake of it. drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 328 - 07/11/2023 12:12:09 2511902 Link 0 |
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Correct..all in all only 1 of 8 teams represent Kerry in the Munster club series.
veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 647 - 07/11/2023 12:56:41 2511914 Link 0 |
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This Weekends Predictions; drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 328 - 08/11/2023 11:00:47 2512052 Link 0 |
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But it is. You there's 8 teams in the Kerry championship and that's not the case. You mentioned the club championships after. If they have an unfair advantage why aren't Kerry clubs winning the All-Ireland senior title every year? oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1472 - 08/11/2023 15:47:02 2512133 Link 0 |
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Senior Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1781 - 08/11/2023 16:42:47 2512146 Link 0 |
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We never mentioned that's it was the senior teams with the advantage. It's there Intermediate and junior teams that have the advantage. And that's due to their lack of senior teams. Hence why they are top of the roll of honour by some distance in both Junior and Intermediate Club All-Ireland wins. Whether they have 20 Senior teams or 4 senior teams will be of no advantage or disadvantage to their senior champions but it will impact the quality of their Intermediate and Junior Champions. Surely this is common sense? drumalee11 (USA) - Posts: 328 - 08/11/2023 16:48:28 2512147 Link 1 |
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Cross draw but win in ET by 2 Kilcoo by 5 Glen by 6 Glenties by 2 Ballyhaise by 3 Liatroim by 3 Glenullin by 11 Pomeroy by 5 Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 724 - 08/11/2023 20:25:54 2512169 Link 0 |
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I'll give was it a bash Senior Trillick (Tyrone) v Crossmaglen (Armagh) - Crossmaglen by 3 Kilcoo (Down) v - Scotstown (Monaghan) - Draw, Kilcoo by 4 After ET Glenn (Derry) v Cargin (Antrim) - Glen by 9 Gowna (Cavan) v Glenties (Donegal) - Gowna by 1 Intermediate Ballyhaise (Cavan) v Downings (Donegal) - Ballyhaise by 2 Liatroim (Down) v Killanny (Monaghan) - Killanny by 2 Glenullin (Derry) v Glenravel (Antrim) - Glenullin by 7 Pomeroy (Tyrone) v St Patricks (Armagh) - Pomeroy by 5 farneygael (Monaghan) - Posts: 296 - 08/11/2023 20:52:11 2512171 Link 0 |
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Because they usually have a 6-8 week lay off….
veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 647 - 09/11/2023 06:27:06 2512183 Link 0 |
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They have no unfair advantage at senior level. After all the best club team represents every county in the All-Ireland senior club championship. Where they have a big advantage is at All-Ireland intermediate club level, where their 9th best club represents them. In most other decent football counties it's the 13th to 17th team. This advantage also extends down to junior level for the same reason. Kerry clubs have dominated at intermediate and junior club level as a result. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 09/11/2023 09:13:06 2512194 Link 0 |
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Still no games for a 5 weeks not great preparation…. Having to wait and see if you Will represent your county
veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 647 - 09/11/2023 10:50:36 2512205 Link 0 |
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Ballygunner had an 8-week break from their county final win until they played Sarsfields last weekend. It didn't bother them a bit. 5 weeks isn't a whole lot. It provides a chance to get some injuries cleared up. Dingle already knew after the weekend they lost, that they'd be representing Kerry, as Rathmore were also beaten in the semi-final. There was no waiting and seeing. Where I do feel for Dingle is that they've been very unlucky not to have won a county title in recent years, mainly due to extremely strong divisional teams. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 09/11/2023 11:51:59 2512224 Link 0 |
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Cross x 2 Kilcoo x 5 Glen x 3 Gowna x 1 Downing x 2 Liatroim x 6 Glenulin x 10 Pomeroy x 2 ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 386 - 09/11/2023 12:03:35 2512227 Link 0 |
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Since Croke Park made a ruling on the number of clubs that a county can have at senior level less Kerry clubs have won Intermediate All-Ireland titles. So please explain what advantage it's been? What excuse do you have for why Kerry clubs won All-Irelands before that?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1472 - 09/11/2023 13:34:20 2512255 Link 0 |
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Can't compare the situations
veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 647 - 09/11/2023 15:19:51 2512269 Link 0 |
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Ulster is tough to judge many games can go either way, I expect scotstown v kilcoo trillick v cross and gonna v Glenties all to be close. I also think cullyhanna have a great chance and think whoever wins that game will win intermediate, they have 3 county forwards and another 1 or 2 forwards good enough for county and have always been at the business end of senior championship. Cross by 2 Glen by 6 Kilcoo by 1 Gowna by 2 Ballyhaise by 4 Kilanny by 2 Glenullin by 4 Cullyhanna by 4 Liftball (Armagh) - Posts: 22 - 09/11/2023 15:25:36 2512270 Link 0 |
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Not only are the Intermediate Champions in real terms more highly ranked in comparison to other counties, but when you add in that probably 4 or 5 of their players will have played Senior Championship in that same year representing one of the Divisional teams, it means that they have a number of players who are well accustomed to playing their football at a much higher level than their direct opponents. Very unfair.
SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 703 - 09/11/2023 18:27:43 2512289 Link 1 |
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Due to the same reason as now. They had fewer senior clubs than other top counties, even back then. Prior to 2016, they had 11 clubs and 9 divisional teams. So their intermediate winners were their 12th team. Galway had 20 senior clubs at that time. Other top counties had 16 or more, so they were competing against teams ranked 17th to 21st and above. In 2016 the number of clubs in Kerry reduced to 8, so their intermediate winners are their 9th ranked team since then. Galway had 17 senior clubs this year. Our intermediate winners are our 18th team. We've been in the process of reducing from 20 to 16 teams over the past few years. From next year we'll have 16, so our intermediate champions will be our 17th ranked team. It's still quite a difference. The 9th ranked club in Galway would be much stronger than our intermediate winners most years. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 09/11/2023 19:06:43 2512292 Link 0 |
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I wouldn't agree with that part. I think the divisional system is positive as a whole and works well in Kerry. The fact that the best junior and intermediate players get to play senior championship is a good thing and I don't think it's a huge factor in competitiveness versus other clubs from other counties. My main issue is to do with the very small number of actual senior clubs. It leads to two main issues: - Kerry's intermediate and junior winners are much higher ranked than most of their counterparts when it comes to the Munster and All-Ireland club championship. - Some of the divisional teams become far too strong, as they have the pick of some already very good clubs. This leads to actual clubs being at a big disadvantage when it comes to trying to win the county championship. I'll use Dingle again as an example in this case. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 10/11/2023 09:56:28 2512318 Link 0 |
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Nothing stopping any other county having divisional teams is there?
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1472 - 10/11/2023 10:46:27 2512329 Link 0 |