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Replying To thelongridge: "The only team in the WC who never played their National Anthem. Not the other dirge." A national anthem has lno effect in what happens on a pitch so why get so wound up by its playing/non playing KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 07/12/2023 18:22:12 2515906 Link
Replying To KillingFields: "A national anthem has lno effect in what happens on a pitch so why get so wound up by its playing/non playing" Ireland flopped despite all the hype. A short sighted Rugby apologist like you will never get it, so just join a rugby forum. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 08/12/2023 21:00:26 2516069 Link
I wouldn't be going too far out of my way to get more unionists to play Gaelic games (for other nationalities in Ireland playing the anthem I think would have very little impact positive or negative for them I think). The truth is it would be very hard for any unionist to really get into the games because it kind of would go against their identity (the GAA was set up originally in the main part to make us aware we have a seperate identity to Britain). I think it would almost be insulting to them to and try to get them into gaelic games. I myself have mixed feelings on playing the anthem before games. On one hand it adds to occasion doing it just before the throw in but on the other the fact that few sing it it takes away from it a bit. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1401 - 13/12/2023 12:15:45 2516596 Link
Replying To baire: ""Presbyterians and the Irish Language, originally published in 1996, is the first to establish the rightful place of the Irish language in the Presbyterian heritage in Ireland. It traces the Presbyterian Irish-speaking tradition from its early roots in Gaelic Scotland through the Plantation and Williamite War periods to its successive revivals in the eighteenth, nineteenth and twentieth centuries. There are biographies of influential Irish-speaking Presbyterians, clerical and lay, whose love of the language helped to ensure its survival. The author contends that the origins of the Gaelic League are as likely to be found in Presbyterian Belfast as in Catholic Dublin. At a time when the Irish language was losing ground to a combination of forces, it was Presbyterians who were to the fore in saving valuable manuscripts, in teaching through the language and in publishing works in Irish. The result is an absorbing account of an integral but little-known strand in the fabric of Presbyterianism. It adds significantly to the mutual understanding between the main traditions on our island and provides evidence for the view that we share more than divides us." You won't hear the DUP quoting any of this!" There was also an incentive for communicating in the language of those you'd like to convert to your church. Irish was of no threat to Presbyterians who were well used to discrimination from London themselves. Meanwhile O'Connell and the Catholic church despised the language and wanted us to be respectable Anglicised Catholics. MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 13/12/2023 15:05:38 2516622 Link
Replying To thelongridge: "Ireland flopped despite all the hype. A short sighted Rugby apologist like you will never get it, so just join a rugby forum." Hahahahahahahaha I'm on plenty of rugby forums where you don't see anywhere near as much deluded criticisms using falsehoods to dismiss other sports like you do here of rugby Not making a Semi final wasn't a flop. Everyone knew when draw came round we could lose a quarter whole playing very well which is what happened. That isn't flopping If I'm short sighted then most of ye here especially those who criticise rugby all the time are completely blind! KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 13/12/2023 15:45:44 2516629 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "Not really. MacSweeneys and others were part of Gaelic interchange in Ulster before the plantation." Definitely by far the biggest number were lowlanders but still a sizeable contingent from Scots Gaelic ancestry, Campbells, McClelland, McKay, McIntyre, McCausland, McAuley and McDonnell to name a few. Funny to think a lot of prominent DUPers with Gaelic names including Arlene-previously Kelly- Foster. Maybe those from Gaelic origins also helped Presbyterians being more open to Irish. MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 13/12/2023 15:50:53 2516630 Link
Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Definitely by far the biggest number were lowlanders but still a sizeable contingent from Scots Gaelic ancestry, Campbells, McClelland, McKay, McIntyre, McCausland, McAuley and McDonnell to name a few. Funny to think a lot of prominent DUPers with Gaelic names including Arlene-previously Kelly- Foster. Maybe those from Gaelic origins also helped Presbyterians being more open to Irish." There were not that many Presbyterians who either knew Irish nor later were part of the revival. Blythe was an exotic creature as an Irish speaking Presbyterian in republican movement. Ó Buachalla's book is about a very small number of Belfast antiquarians basically. It is interesting to note too that almost all of them. people like Bunting and Charlotte Brooke were hostile to republicanism; and that on the other side people like Tone had no interest whatsoever in Irish nor anything uniquely Irish. They were settler patriots like their cousins in American and many of them looked upon our lot as little better than the native Americans. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3139 - 13/12/2023 16:49:07 2516640 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "There were not that many Presbyterians who either knew Irish nor later were part of the revival. Blythe was an exotic creature as an Irish speaking Presbyterian in republican movement. Ó Buachalla's book is about a very small number of Belfast antiquarians basically. It is interesting to note too that almost all of them. people like Bunting and Charlotte Brooke were hostile to republicanism; and that on the other side people like Tone had no interest whatsoever in Irish nor anything uniquely Irish. They were settler patriots like their cousins in American and many of them looked upon our lot as little better than the native Americans." Yes, when it came to the 19th century those who cared about the fate of the Irish language, the likes of Hyde and Ó Gramhnaigh, no matter their creed, were very much in the minority. Daniel O' Connell, a native speaker and a hugely influential figure was pro-English, spoke in English at his monster meetings where the vast majority of his audience - monoglot Irish speakers - didn't understand a word he uttered. The Catholic church turned its back on those native speakers too with only one seminary in Ireland - the diocese of Tuam, preparing their seminarians in the Irish language. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 15/12/2023 14:19:24 2516937 Link
Replying To baire: "Yes, when it came to the 19th century those who cared about the fate of the Irish language, the likes of Hyde and Ó Gramhnaigh, no matter their creed, were very much in the minority. Daniel O' Connell, a native speaker and a hugely influential figure was pro-English, spoke in English at his monster meetings where the vast majority of his audience - monoglot Irish speakers - didn't understand a word he uttered. The Catholic church turned its back on those native speakers too with only one seminary in Ireland - the diocese of Tuam, preparing their seminarians in the Irish language." Tomsmith here Baire from County Galway You rehash asll you like about injustices ect , but lets move forward and hold the hand of friendship out to our Non Gaa Northern Ireland brethren. I say try Ireland call for a few games up in Northern Ireland and let a Flute Band from a non Nationalist area play it at a Gaa game. Just sit back and see the wonderful response tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3982 - 16/12/2023 10:28:38 2517023 Link
Replying To tomsmith: "Tomsmith here Baire from County Galway You rehash asll you like about injustices ect , but lets move forward and hold the hand of friendship out to our Non Gaa Northern Ireland brethren. I say try Ireland call for a few games up in Northern Ireland and let a Flute Band from a non Nationalist area play it at a Gaa game. Just sit back and see the wonderful response" Drop this nonsense, let a fluke band play for the brethren in Cavan if you so wish, there's plenty of them there as well. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2151 - 16/12/2023 11:21:49 2517033 Link
Replying To tomsmith: "Tomsmith here Baire from County Galway You rehash asll you like about injustices ect , but lets move forward and hold the hand of friendship out to our Non Gaa Northern Ireland brethren. I say try Ireland call for a few games up in Northern Ireland and let a Flute Band from a non Nationalist area play it at a Gaa game. Just sit back and see the wonderful response" Quit with the nonsense trolling man. If you find this kind of posts funny christmas you must have little to entertain yourself in your life. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 16/12/2023 11:25:40 2517035 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "Drop this nonsense, let a fluke band play for the brethren in Cavan if you so wish, there's plenty of them there as well." Who's to say that Tom isn't an orange man?................................................................................................................................................................. ...............................................................................................I've a picture in my head of Donald trump sitting at the end of the bar in the Imperial in his fake tan supping a pint of plain;-) Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13890 - 16/12/2023 12:59:48 2517048 Link
Replying To tomsmith: "Tomsmith here Baire from County Galway You rehash asll you like about injustices ect , but lets move forward and hold the hand of friendship out to our Non Gaa Northern Ireland brethren. I say try Ireland call for a few games up in Northern Ireland and let a Flute Band from a non Nationalist area play it at a Gaa game. Just sit back and see the wonderful response" A good rousing rendition of "The Sash" by the Shankill Flute Band would be well received at an Ulster final in Casement. In fact, since everyone is tired of "Zombie"the Irish rugby supporters should adopt it as their new anthem! Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 385 - 16/12/2023 21:11:29 2517101 Link
Replying To Ryanteam: "A good rousing rendition of "The Sash" by the Shankill Flute Band would be well received at an Ulster final in Casement. In fact, since everyone is tired of "Zombie"the Irish rugby supporters should adopt it as their new anthem!" Ryan Team Cork Tomsmith here from Cavan Great suggestion to invite a Flue Band from the Shankill Road to an Ulster final. Loyalist flute band The biggest and best musical flute band in the Shankill Road is the mens Churchill flute band which takes part in the annual relief of Derry parade the largest Loyal order parade. in Belfast, each year You also have a womans Flute and Drum band from Shankill Road which in the past played at Drumchapel Glasgow at the annual Orange Lodge parade. So now Ryan Team your suggestion has got legs and its your choice which would you prefer , tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3982 - 17/12/2023 21:50:21 2517243 Link
The way things are going, anthem will probably be replaced by Eircode gang doing a rap :-) BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3139 - 18/12/2023 08:57:23 2517256 Link
Replying To tomsmith: "Ryan Team Cork Tomsmith here from Cavan Great suggestion to invite a Flue Band from the Shankill Road to an Ulster final. Loyalist flute band The biggest and best musical flute band in the Shankill Road is the mens Churchill flute band which takes part in the annual relief of Derry parade the largest Loyal order parade. in Belfast, each year You also have a womans Flute and Drum band from Shankill Road which in the past played at Drumchapel Glasgow at the annual Orange Lodge parade. So now Ryan Team your suggestion has got legs and its your choice which would you prefer ," Either of these bands would suffice. Another excellent performing band is "The Shankill Protestant boys". It would be very rousing hearing the beat of the Lambeg drum resonate across Casement and indeed Croke park to tunes like "The Sash" and Penny Arcade. The Lisburn fusiliers FB would fill Croke Park with the rat a tat of the Lambeg Drum! Ryanteam (Cork) - Posts: 385 - 18/12/2023 10:30:04 2517266 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "The way things are going, anthem will probably be replaced by Eircode gang doing a rap :-)" While 'Hanging on the telephone line' thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1879 - 18/12/2023 17:25:04 2517330 Link
Replying To Lockerroomboy: "Are you having a laugh, April fool's joke your a bit late" Or he might be a bit early. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4467 - 19/12/2023 19:28:53 2517428 Link
Tomsmith here Well we right thinking Gaa folk have to express an opinion as regards what can be done to attract allthe Nothern Ireland folk to our Games. I feel whatever it takes should be tried tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 3982 - 20/12/2023 13:46:54 2517475 Link
Replying To tomsmith: "Tomsmith here Well we right thinking Gaa folk have to express an opinion as regards what can be done to attract allthe Nothern Ireland folk to our Games. I feel whatever it takes should be tried" Lots of "Northern Ireland" folk are devoted to the GAA. Far more so proportionately than among Irish people in most other parts of the country. Those who choose not to identify as Irish are perfectly entitled to do so and perfectly entitled not to feel attracted to "our games." Which they are obviously not! BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3139 - 20/12/2023 14:03:13 2517477 Link