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Replying To bdbuddah:  "
Replying To tirawleybaron:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=Ulsterchamps_32:  "[quote=fizzygravy:  "Games for the most part are difficult to watch because of tactical set-ups. Predominantly a defensive approach. There isn't much point in tinkering with rules that don't have potential to make this defensive ploy less effective. As a spectacle we want to see a more flowing game and one that presents more one-on-one contests; I think most people would agree. The solution lies is creating more space; 13-a-side is a step in that direction; certainly much easier than increasing the playing area. Another tweak is to bring the kickout back to the edge of the small rectangle; there is a huge amount of unplayable space behind the 'keeper when they are kicking at the moment. This may encourage more pressure up high as the reward for an interception closer in would be higher - that's not to say teams won't simply concede the kickout as they do now but there could be more incentive not to. The reality is that astute coaches will navigate any new rule pretty quickly; likewise lazy coaches will simply revert to type and 'Park the bus'. At the end of the day it's the poorer teams who can <u>only </u>play the slow lateral game. Often times this is because of the poor coaches. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Galway, Derry and perhaps one or two more are comfortable playing against these tactics and are happy they'll come out on top regardless. I'm expecting (hoping maybe) the Review Committee to come back with a plan which includes coach development, calendar restructure and games promotion much more than a focus on trying to 'fix' things with additional rules."</div>On your kick out from the small rectangle I would tend to agree. The kick would have to go beyond the twenty and not into the semi circle. I'd probably still allow the kick out after a score from the twenty to give the team that's conceded a little benefit. A kick out from the small rectangle is immediately longer than it currently is so you'd think it would have to encourage teams to press more and force the keeper to kick it to a contest out the field. As you say teams could still concede the kick out it but less likely that they will. Downs tactics last week would a great game to analyse and maybe create to see can they do a few things be to counter how they went about the game. They wanted to play it slow all the time and take the sting out of armagh. They used their keeper an awful lot and if armagh pushed up they'd just use him to take the sting out of the press. If the keeper couldn't be passed to from open play armagh would have been more likely to push up. As much as I'd like to see the spectacle of gealic football improve overall I don't want them to be too radical with changes (at least initially) as you'll lose sight of what actually is working or not working."
In stead of trying in 10 areas for rule changes they should focus on maybe about 2 areas.
But minor tinkering I think won't work I think.
I agree with the general sentiment in this article on the Cork GAA CEO's report last year.
Simple dramatic rule changes is what we need.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cork-chief-executive-kevin-odonovan-calls-for-dramatic-gaelic-football-rules-intervention/a1214546567.html"]I also agree with him on the need for a Gaelic Games specific - offside rule.

Some along the lines of no extra players permitted inside the defensive 45 unless
(a) they do so with 3m of their marker or
(B) the ball has been kicked into the area ahead of them (like ice hockey offside) by an attacking player who is outside the 45m line

I wouldn't be in favour of having a set position to return to before a kick out can be taken (likely to create a unintended opportunity for time wasting)

I really hate the last 10 min of a lot of games due to the amount of play acting, melees etc. Really puts a stop to comebacks.

For that reason I would think that the offside rule above combined with with a 45 yard free to be awarded after the 10 team frees conceded per half.- a bit like basketball
40 frees in 70min is enough to be looking at.

Then have a shot clock (so teams can't run down the clock) and your in business.

You now have stopped the running game (as players have to kick it forwards inside the 45).
There can be no sweeper (concedes a free if he enters the 45 before the ball).
There can be no passing around the middle (due to shot clock)
There can be no persistent fouling to slow an attack.
Also like to see any player going down injured in the last 10 mins having to go off on a stretcher and can only return to match at halfway line once referee allows at the next break in play

And lastly - max of 3 subs per match (excluding 10 min blood sub or HIA)."]I think getting players to line up in positions for kick outs is actually easier than implementing players staying inside a certain area tof the pitch while the game is flowing.

Your not talking about getting players to stand on a spot, you could use the existing lines of the pitch to define different positions for kickouts (eg. You could use the 13m line to define the full forward line- 3 players inside this line)

I said I generally agreed with Cork CEO in that the rule changes need to be simple but dramatic.
I'm not sure it would be easy to workable to insist a team keeps 4 players forward at all times, hard to imagine it when the game is flowing.

The more you tink about it maybe it would be best instead of asking for all the team to line in position have a rule that a team must leave a minimum number of players advanced beyond a certain line of the pitch for kickouts, maybe at least 3 inside the 13m line and at least 6 inside the 45m (this 6 would include the 3 already mentioned above).

At the end of the day the idea behind a rule like this is to stop forward players coming back to be part of a blanket defense. Exceptions to a rule like this could be when a team has players sent off."]It's easy for players to keep to the 4 up front rule, just as it is easy for them to follow a "don't cross the 45 until the ball is kicked" offside rule.
Most fellas have played a range of sports with different offside rules.
Is the refs, linesmen and old lads on committees who will struggle with it as they might not have played any "foreign games".

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1600 - 07/05/2024 07:00:04    2543433

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Replying To tirawleybaron:  "
Replying To bdbuddah:  "[quote=tirawleybaron:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=Ulsterchamps_32:  "[quote=fizzygravy:  "Games for the most part are difficult to watch because of tactical set-ups. Predominantly a defensive approach. There isn't much point in tinkering with rules that don't have potential to make this defensive ploy less effective. As a spectacle we want to see a more flowing game and one that presents more one-on-one contests; I think most people would agree. The solution lies is creating more space; 13-a-side is a step in that direction; certainly much easier than increasing the playing area. Another tweak is to bring the kickout back to the edge of the small rectangle; there is a huge amount of unplayable space behind the 'keeper when they are kicking at the moment. This may encourage more pressure up high as the reward for an interception closer in would be higher - that's not to say teams won't simply concede the kickout as they do now but there could be more incentive not to. The reality is that astute coaches will navigate any new rule pretty quickly; likewise lazy coaches will simply revert to type and 'Park the bus'. At the end of the day it's the poorer teams who can <u>only </u>play the slow lateral game. Often times this is because of the poor coaches. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Galway, Derry and perhaps one or two more are comfortable playing against these tactics and are happy they'll come out on top regardless. I'm expecting (hoping maybe) the Review Committee to come back with a plan which includes coach development, calendar restructure and games promotion much more than a focus on trying to 'fix' things with additional rules."</div>On your kick out from the small rectangle I would tend to agree. The kick would have to go beyond the twenty and not into the semi circle. I'd probably still allow the kick out after a score from the twenty to give the team that's conceded a little benefit. A kick out from the small rectangle is immediately longer than it currently is so you'd think it would have to encourage teams to press more and force the keeper to kick it to a contest out the field. As you say teams could still concede the kick out it but less likely that they will. Downs tactics last week would a great game to analyse and maybe create to see can they do a few things be to counter how they went about the game. They wanted to play it slow all the time and take the sting out of armagh. They used their keeper an awful lot and if armagh pushed up they'd just use him to take the sting out of the press. If the keeper couldn't be passed to from open play armagh would have been more likely to push up. As much as I'd like to see the spectacle of gealic football improve overall I don't want them to be too radical with changes (at least initially) as you'll lose sight of what actually is working or not working."
In stead of trying in 10 areas for rule changes they should focus on maybe about 2 areas.
But minor tinkering I think won't work I think.
I agree with the general sentiment in this article on the Cork GAA CEO's report last year.
Simple dramatic rule changes is what we need.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cork-chief-executive-kevin-odonovan-calls-for-dramatic-gaelic-football-rules-intervention/a1214546567.html"]I also agree with him on the need for a Gaelic Games specific - offside rule.

Some along the lines of no extra players permitted inside the defensive 45 unless
(a) they do so with 3m of their marker or
(B) the ball has been kicked into the area ahead of them (like ice hockey offside) by an attacking player who is outside the 45m line

I wouldn't be in favour of having a set position to return to before a kick out can be taken (likely to create a unintended opportunity for time wasting)

I really hate the last 10 min of a lot of games due to the amount of play acting, melees etc. Really puts a stop to comebacks.

For that reason I would think that the offside rule above combined with with a 45 yard free to be awarded after the 10 team frees conceded per half.- a bit like basketball
40 frees in 70min is enough to be looking at.

Then have a shot clock (so teams can't run down the clock) and your in business.

You now have stopped the running game (as players have to kick it forwards inside the 45).
There can be no sweeper (concedes a free if he enters the 45 before the ball).
There can be no passing around the middle (due to shot clock)
There can be no persistent fouling to slow an attack.
Also like to see any player going down injured in the last 10 mins having to go off on a stretcher and can only return to match at halfway line once referee allows at the next break in play

And lastly - max of 3 subs per match (excluding 10 min blood sub or HIA)."]I think getting players to line up in positions for kick outs is actually easier than implementing players staying inside a certain area tof the pitch while the game is flowing.

Your not talking about getting players to stand on a spot, you could use the existing lines of the pitch to define different positions for kickouts (eg. You could use the 13m line to define the full forward line- 3 players inside this line)

I said I generally agreed with Cork CEO in that the rule changes need to be simple but dramatic.
I'm not sure it would be easy to workable to insist a team keeps 4 players forward at all times, hard to imagine it when the game is flowing.

The more you tink about it maybe it would be best instead of asking for all the team to line in position have a rule that a team must leave a minimum number of players advanced beyond a certain line of the pitch for kickouts, maybe at least 3 inside the 13m line and at least 6 inside the 45m (this 6 would include the 3 already mentioned above).

At the end of the day the idea behind a rule like this is to stop forward players coming back to be part of a blanket defense. Exceptions to a rule like this could be when a team has players sent off."]It's easy for players to keep to the 4 up front rule, just as it is easy for them to follow a "don't cross the 45 until the ball is kicked" offside rule.
Most fellas have played a range of sports with different offside rules.
Is the refs, linesmen and old lads on committees who will struggle with it as they might not have played any "foreign games"."]Seeing as possession is king and it's almost impossible to get in a legal tackle why not allow the ball to be pulled out of the hands?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2558 - 07/05/2024 10:56:24    2543459

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I dont think any new rules are needed. They are, largely, unworkable anyway in that the referee cannot really enforce these proposals at all levels of the game. Take the 5 hand pass rule from a few years ago. Every ref I know was against it. The current kick out rule(where keeper can't receive ball back) is rubbish also. The game is worse for it. Counting players and hand passes isn't the answer. It makes refereeing too difficult. Neither is restricting one player positions possessions of the football.

I've watched a lot of intercounty minor and u20 football this season. The teams , by and large, set up like senior intercounty teams. The kick out strategies are similar, they get bodies behind the ball and counter of turnovers at pace just like the seniors However it's a much more enjoyable game to watch, particularly at minor.
Why is that? They play the same way so it should be a similar spectacle. The fact that it isn't I put down to size and conditioning. The senior players are bigger, stronger and faster so there is less space to attack. It's as simple as that for me. Throw in the extra time they have together to work on their strategies and you get the game(and problems) we have today. The game only needs one change. It needs to create more space on the pitch. Therefore it needs to go to 13 a side. That will create the space and the game will open up again. Forget counting players, gaa offsides, counting passes or any other BS. Forget your marks. Take two players off each team and watch the runners attack the space created.

Tadhg2020 (Limerick) - Posts: 19 - 07/05/2024 11:01:43    2543461

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Replying To Tadhg2020:  "I dont think any new rules are needed. They are, largely, unworkable anyway in that the referee cannot really enforce these proposals at all levels of the game. Take the 5 hand pass rule from a few years ago. Every ref I know was against it. The current kick out rule(where keeper can't receive ball back) is rubbish also. The game is worse for it. Counting players and hand passes isn't the answer. It makes refereeing too difficult. Neither is restricting one player positions possessions of the football.

I've watched a lot of intercounty minor and u20 football this season. The teams , by and large, set up like senior intercounty teams. The kick out strategies are similar, they get bodies behind the ball and counter of turnovers at pace just like the seniors However it's a much more enjoyable game to watch, particularly at minor.
Why is that? They play the same way so it should be a similar spectacle. The fact that it isn't I put down to size and conditioning. The senior players are bigger, stronger and faster so there is less space to attack. It's as simple as that for me. Throw in the extra time they have together to work on their strategies and you get the game(and problems) we have today. The game only needs one change. It needs to create more space on the pitch. Therefore it needs to go to 13 a side. That will create the space and the game will open up again. Forget counting players, gaa offsides, counting passes or any other BS. Forget your marks. Take two players off each team and watch the runners attack the space created."
I agree 13 a side the only easy option. Although I would scrap the advance mark also.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8514 - 07/05/2024 11:32:04    2543473

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Two very enjoyable (for the neutral) provincial finals on Sunday last with no rule changes?

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 1014 - 07/05/2024 12:08:14    2543479

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "
Replying To tirawleybaron:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=tirawleybaron:  "[quote=bdbuddah:  "[quote=Ulsterchamps_32:  "[quote=fizzygravy:  "Games for the most part are difficult to watch because of tactical set-ups. Predominantly a defensive approach. There isn't much point in tinkering with rules that don't have potential to make this defensive ploy less effective. As a spectacle we want to see a more flowing game and one that presents more one-on-one contests; I think most people would agree. The solution lies is creating more space; 13-a-side is a step in that direction; certainly much easier than increasing the playing area. Another tweak is to bring the kickout back to the edge of the small rectangle; there is a huge amount of unplayable space behind the 'keeper when they are kicking at the moment. This may encourage more pressure up high as the reward for an interception closer in would be higher - that's not to say teams won't simply concede the kickout as they do now but there could be more incentive not to. The reality is that astute coaches will navigate any new rule pretty quickly; likewise lazy coaches will simply revert to type and 'Park the bus'. At the end of the day it's the poorer teams who can <u>only </u>play the slow lateral game. Often times this is because of the poor coaches. Dublin, Kerry, Donegal, Galway, Derry and perhaps one or two more are comfortable playing against these tactics and are happy they'll come out on top regardless. I'm expecting (hoping maybe) the Review Committee to come back with a plan which includes coach development, calendar restructure and games promotion much more than a focus on trying to 'fix' things with additional rules."</div>On your kick out from the small rectangle I would tend to agree. The kick would have to go beyond the twenty and not into the semi circle. I'd probably still allow the kick out after a score from the twenty to give the team that's conceded a little benefit. A kick out from the small rectangle is immediately longer than it currently is so you'd think it would have to encourage teams to press more and force the keeper to kick it to a contest out the field. As you say teams could still concede the kick out it but less likely that they will. Downs tactics last week would a great game to analyse and maybe create to see can they do a few things be to counter how they went about the game. They wanted to play it slow all the time and take the sting out of armagh. They used their keeper an awful lot and if armagh pushed up they'd just use him to take the sting out of the press. If the keeper couldn't be passed to from open play armagh would have been more likely to push up. As much as I'd like to see the spectacle of gealic football improve overall I don't want them to be too radical with changes (at least initially) as you'll lose sight of what actually is working or not working."
In stead of trying in 10 areas for rule changes they should focus on maybe about 2 areas.
But minor tinkering I think won't work I think.
I agree with the general sentiment in this article on the Cork GAA CEO's report last year.
Simple dramatic rule changes is what we need.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/cork-chief-executive-kevin-odonovan-calls-for-dramatic-gaelic-football-rules-intervention/a1214546567.html"]I also agree with him on the need for a Gaelic Games specific - offside rule.

Some along the lines of no extra players permitted inside the defensive 45 unless
(a) they do so with 3m of their marker or
(B) the ball has been kicked into the area ahead of them (like ice hockey offside) by an attacking player who is outside the 45m line

I wouldn't be in favour of having a set position to return to before a kick out can be taken (likely to create a unintended opportunity for time wasting)

I really hate the last 10 min of a lot of games due to the amount of play acting, melees etc. Really puts a stop to comebacks.

For that reason I would think that the offside rule above combined with with a 45 yard free to be awarded after the 10 team frees conceded per half.- a bit like basketball
40 frees in 70min is enough to be looking at.

Then have a shot clock (so teams can't run down the clock) and your in business.

You now have stopped the running game (as players have to kick it forwards inside the 45).
There can be no sweeper (concedes a free if he enters the 45 before the ball).
There can be no passing around the middle (due to shot clock)
There can be no persistent fouling to slow an attack.
Also like to see any player going down injured in the last 10 mins having to go off on a stretcher and can only return to match at halfway line once referee allows at the next break in play

And lastly - max of 3 subs per match (excluding 10 min blood sub or HIA)."]I think getting players to line up in positions for kick outs is actually easier than implementing players staying inside a certain area tof the pitch while the game is flowing.

Your not talking about getting players to stand on a spot, you could use the existing lines of the pitch to define different positions for kickouts (eg. You could use the 13m line to define the full forward line- 3 players inside this line)

I said I generally agreed with Cork CEO in that the rule changes need to be simple but dramatic.
I'm not sure it would be easy to workable to insist a team keeps 4 players forward at all times, hard to imagine it when the game is flowing.

The more you tink about it maybe it would be best instead of asking for all the team to line in position have a rule that a team must leave a minimum number of players advanced beyond a certain line of the pitch for kickouts, maybe at least 3 inside the 13m line and at least 6 inside the 45m (this 6 would include the 3 already mentioned above).

At the end of the day the idea behind a rule like this is to stop forward players coming back to be part of a blanket defense. Exceptions to a rule like this could be when a team has players sent off."]It's easy for players to keep to the 4 up front rule, just as it is easy for them to follow a "don't cross the 45 until the ball is kicked" offside rule.
Most fellas have played a range of sports with different offside rules.
Is the refs, linesmen and old lads on committees who will struggle with it as they might not have played any "foreign games"."]Seeing as possession is king and it's almost impossible to get in a legal tackle why not allow the ball to be pulled out of the hands?"]Excellent point. Maye too, 3 seconds for man in posession to use it or lose it after defender is in contact.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8245 - 07/05/2024 12:17:23    2543481

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Looks like FRC trailing everything except the obvious...13 aside.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0611/1454165-trial-games-with-new-football-rules-set-for-weekend/

Two points for a 'point' from the new 40-metre arc and four points for a goal are the marquee proposals

games will start with a one vs one throw-in with the other two midfielders retreating behind their 45-metre lines.

They'll trial a few kick-out variations, with all kick-outs taken from the small rectangle, or all kick-outs from the 20-metre line having to go past a new 40-metre arc.
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Goalkeepers can also receive possession from a team-mate beyond their 45-metre or 65-metre line.

FRC will trial both teams keeping three players, including the 'keeper, inside their own 65-metre line.

The attacking mark will be tweaked to be taken inside the 20-metre line with the ball kicked from outside the 45-metre line.

A new definition of the tackle will see the possibility of allowing one initial contact with an open hand.

The advantage rule will not be restricted to five seconds - but the free will be called back once it's clear no advantage is accruing.

Any incident of dissent will see a free move forward 30 or 50-metres.

Tactical or delaying fouls will see a 30-metre or 50-metre advancement of the ball.

Tirchonailabu56 (Donegal) - Posts: 41 - 14/06/2024 21:49:29    2551507

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I was ahead of my time in starting this topic a few months ago!
I have read most of the replies.

But, the issue I find odd is very few have addressed the problem of the proliferation of the handpass, which is largely responsible for the current state of the game. People seem keen to get worked up about all sorts of minor issues but not the handpass.

You will recall that the Gavin Committee was instituted, following the John Tobin lead Standing Committee on Playing Rules Report, which concluded that the main problem was the proliferation of the handpass: 421 handpasses v 130 kickpasses per game.

And, even the 'new proposals' of the Gavin Group, inexplicably, do not address this issue.

I can't understand it; can anyone.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 352 - 03/07/2024 14:16:19    2556749

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Replying To Aibrean:  "I was ahead of my time in starting this topic a few months ago!
I have read most of the replies.

But, the issue I find odd is very few have addressed the problem of the proliferation of the handpass, which is largely responsible for the current state of the game. People seem keen to get worked up about all sorts of minor issues but not the handpass.

You will recall that the Gavin Committee was instituted, following the John Tobin lead Standing Committee on Playing Rules Report, which concluded that the main problem was the proliferation of the handpass: 421 handpasses v 130 kickpasses per game.

And, even the 'new proposals' of the Gavin Group, inexplicably, do not address this issue.

I can't understand it; can anyone."
Grand so. Let's see how teams get on trying to break blanket defences if you change the handpass rule.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8514 - 03/07/2024 16:51:49    2556782

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Replying To Aibrean:  "I was ahead of my time in starting this topic a few months ago!
I have read most of the replies.

But, the issue I find odd is very few have addressed the problem of the proliferation of the handpass, which is largely responsible for the current state of the game. People seem keen to get worked up about all sorts of minor issues but not the handpass.

You will recall that the Gavin Committee was instituted, following the John Tobin lead Standing Committee on Playing Rules Report, which concluded that the main problem was the proliferation of the handpass: 421 handpasses v 130 kickpasses per game.

And, even the 'new proposals' of the Gavin Group, inexplicably, do not address this issue.

I can't understand it; can anyone."
Sorry Aibrean but Tobin's report in 2023 was purely a statistical log of various parameters (numbers of handpasses, footpasses, frees, long kick-outs, time ball in play etc). The report did not include "conclusions" so you are wrong to say that the report "concluded" that the proliferation of the handpass was the main problem. Tobin's report made no comment on "problems" in the game.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 1014 - 03/07/2024 16:52:22    2556783

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Replying To Aibrean:  "I was ahead of my time in starting this topic a few months ago!
I have read most of the replies.

But, the issue I find odd is very few have addressed the problem of the proliferation of the handpass, which is largely responsible for the current state of the game. People seem keen to get worked up about all sorts of minor issues but not the handpass.

You will recall that the Gavin Committee was instituted, following the John Tobin lead Standing Committee on Playing Rules Report, which concluded that the main problem was the proliferation of the handpass: 421 handpasses v 130 kickpasses per game.

And, even the 'new proposals' of the Gavin Group, inexplicably, do not address this issue.

I can't understand it; can anyone."
Gaelic football was my favourite sport as my dad was an accomplished player and our club played it only. Then the 70's came along and drastic changes as to how it was played. It brought great excitement in fairness and the game had progressed with inevitable changes. When rule changes, non rules and bad changes came it turned the game on its head for the worst. That is my personal opinion and please don't accuse me of being anti Gaelic Football. I will always use the word "Gaelic "in front of football because of the uniqueness it had. Rules changes were needed to reflect the changed games. It I now time to reverse these bad changes because it is neither Gaelic or "football " anymore. A combination of basketball and soccer. Put the ball back on the ground for all dead ball kicks. All kick outs must go 40 meters. Once the ball crosses the half way line it can not come back until it goes inside the 20 meter line. Hand striking restricted to fisting. These are the rules I would like some existed and some new to reflect the way the game changed.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3182 - 03/07/2024 17:19:06    2556786

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Replying To Canuck:  "Gaelic football was my favourite sport as my dad was an accomplished player and our club played it only. Then the 70's came along and drastic changes as to how it was played. It brought great excitement in fairness and the game had progressed with inevitable changes. When rule changes, non rules and bad changes came it turned the game on its head for the worst. That is my personal opinion and please don't accuse me of being anti Gaelic Football. I will always use the word "Gaelic "in front of football because of the uniqueness it had. Rules changes were needed to reflect the changed games. It I now time to reverse these bad changes because it is neither Gaelic or "football " anymore. A combination of basketball and soccer. Put the ball back on the ground for all dead ball kicks. All kick outs must go 40 meters. Once the ball crosses the half way line it can not come back until it goes inside the 20 meter line. Hand striking restricted to fisting. These are the rules I would like some existed and some new to reflect the way the game changed."
I get fouled on my own 20m line.
Why in the name of all that's holy should I have to put the ball on the ground to take the free?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2558 - 03/07/2024 17:59:57    2556791

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Replying To tribesmen:  "I agree with 3 subs. I would trial 13 aside with the 3 subs and see how that goes.

Personally, I wouldn't touch the scoring system for the time being."
13 a side and 3 subs max would be very stupid and unfair to members of the panel. Way less playing time or chances.
Ridiculous ideas..

eddieSize5Balls (Donegal) - Posts: 247 - 03/07/2024 19:07:40    2556800

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "I get fouled on my own 20m line.
Why in the name of all that's holy should I have to put the ball on the ground to take the free?"
Simple because it is one of the skills of the game to deliver the ball accurately and a skill to win it at the other end of the kick. Of course if your own interest is a game that is based on time wasting and maintaining possession then kick it out of your hand back to the goalie. Not too much skill required with that. You are welcome to your opinion but that's mine.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3182 - 03/07/2024 21:13:54    2556813

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I'm reminded what James Corden said when talking about the proposed European super league:

"They took something so pure and so beautiful and they beat the love and the joy out of it"

Down to club level the player disciple codes would put the most ardent player off. The joy is gone, players are robots, no mavericks anymore they are discouraged. Players are athletes not footballers. The joy is gone for player and spectator

leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 704 - 03/07/2024 22:00:53    2556823

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Oh jesus not the taking frees from the ground debate again.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8514 - 03/07/2024 23:42:53    2556839

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After 4 or 5 consecutive hand passes ball must kicked
Scrap the advanced mark
Mark for goalkick if the kickout passes the 45
Handpassed points must be closed fisted - not open handed
fisted goals must be closed fisted not open handed
5 subs only

Championship structure
Division 1 and 2 in one bowl
Division 3 and 4 in second bowl

One from each bowl to make up pairings

16 knock out matches called the playoffs in neutral venues over first 2 weekends of championship.
Winners of each tie go through to 4 groups of 4 for all Ireland
Runners up of each tie into 4 groups of 4 for the tailtean cup

Gives every county equal chance to compete for all Ireland
Allows for shocks in the play offs

Biggest seeded fixture in each group played as first fixture in group stage

Eg Dublin Donegal Cavan Cork in the same group the Dubs v Donegal fixture would be played first, this would give the lower seeds in the group a better chance because one of the top teams would already have been beaten after the first fixture

2 from each group qualify for quarter finals played at provincial venues, one in each province
Croke park premium ticket holders get dibs on stand tickets if their nominated province

From play offs to all Ireland final = 7 matches

Run the provincials as a winter completion with the winners of each province playing in semi finals and final for the winter/floodlit all Ireland

bernardmessi (Dublin) - Posts: 182 - 04/07/2024 01:18:52    2556845

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "I get fouled on my own 20m line.
Why in the name of all that's holy should I have to put the ball on the ground to take the free?"
You don't…. The free can be taken from the hand as long as it doesn't go directly over the bar… Why do you think goalkeepers are trudging up the field to take 45's and the like… slowing down the game no end.. Outfield players unable to kick the ball of the ground is a disgrace

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 4243 - 04/07/2024 13:32:19    2556898

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "You don't…. The free can be taken from the hand as long as it doesn't go directly over the bar… Why do you think goalkeepers are trudging up the field to take 45's and the like… slowing down the game no end.. Outfield players unable to kick the ball of the ground is a disgrace"
Who asked you.
I was replying to Canuck saying ALL frees must be taken drom the ground.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2558 - 04/07/2024 15:57:22    2556927

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "You don't…. The free can be taken from the hand as long as it doesn't go directly over the bar… Why do you think goalkeepers are trudging up the field to take 45's and the like… slowing down the game no end.. Outfield players unable to kick the ball of the ground is a disgrace"
1. After any stoppage of play, unless a throw-in is called for, the ball must be kicked from the ground, as for the kick-out.
2. The kick-out must be taken from the edge of the small square and must cross the twenty metre line before being touched by a player from the kicking team.
3. A player in possession of the football may score a goal or point only by kicking the ball. (FOOTBALL)
4. All scores from inside the opponent's the twenty metre line must be kicked.
5. Abolish the forward mark.
6. The goalkeeper may not advance past his twenty metre line for any reason.
7. When a team advances the ball inside the opponent's forty five metre line it cannot be played back out by the team.

#1 and #2 would force a long kick-out.
#3 The game is "Football".
#4 The game is still football not "Volleyball".

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 764 - 04/07/2024 17:19:27    2556937

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