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Replying To OpenStand: "In a pub yesterday evening and someone after Aintree was over asked owner to put on Down V Antrim , those in the pub must have used every adjective possible in the first half to describe it ie negative , horrible, numbing , etc before it was duly turned off at half time by request of practically everyone in the bar , it's becoming a big problem the amount of neutrals that are giving up on watching football due to the cagey tactics been used ." Out of interest, what was put on instead? points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 275 - 14/04/2024 21:29:21 2537845 Link
Hitting a free off the ground well is a skill that not everyone has. By allowing frees out of the hand, we are favouring the un-skilled. And the biggest annoyance with frees out of the hand is that every single player who takes a free out of the hands cheats. They all steal a few metres and they make the angle easier. Referees do nothing. points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet (Tyrone) - Posts: 275 - 14/04/2024 21:36:13 2537846 Link
Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "If you take all you say here as accurate you're advocating for a change that will create more fouling. Why would you advocate for such a thing?" Im not advocating for more fouling.I want more entertainment.Free taking from the ground is entertaining.Its no coincidence the higlights years ago showed free taking .They dont now unless its from awkward angles or distance.Maybe im looking through rose tinted glass but the Jimmy Keaveneys Barney and Dean Rocks Maurice Fitzgeralds Matt Connors Colin Corkerys Brian Staffords gave us all great entertainment not to mention the Cluxtons Seanie O Sheas Niall Morgans and Rory Beggan.My point is that ground free taking is so much more skilful. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 14/04/2024 22:00:36 2537852 Link
Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet: "Hitting a free off the ground well is a skill that not everyone has. By allowing frees out of the hand, we are favouring the un-skilled. And the biggest annoyance with frees out of the hand is that every single player who takes a free out of the hands cheats. They all steal a few metres and they make the angle easier. Referees do nothing." True CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 14/04/2024 22:02:09 2537853 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "1. Slows play down 2. Can be difficult in certain condtions 3. Not everyone can do it. If main free taker is missing it makes it even harder for team to convert 4. Cynical fouling by defenders in certain area of the field knowing they won't concede. 5. It will lead to attackers who are not confident or having an off day going short instead of kicking for score from distance from the hands. Feel free to actually debate the above good lad." No evidence it would slow pay down at all..all aspects of the game are difficult in certain conditions …practice means any forward could do it but I agree none of them can kick a ball of the ground at present leading to the nonsensical sight of every goalkeeper trudging up the field to take free kicks and 45's ( and this really does slow down the game ) you will never cut out cynical fouling regardless and players can still go short out of their hands or from the ground if they chose….You have to try a bit harder than that.. good lad…..! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 14/04/2024 22:56:19 2537865 Link
Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet: "Hitting a free off the ground well is a skill that not everyone has. By allowing frees out of the hand, we are favouring the un-skilled. And the biggest annoyance with frees out of the hand is that every single player who takes a free out of the hands cheats. They all steal a few metres and they make the angle easier. Referees do nothing." Well put… another good reason taking frees from the ground for scores makes more sense.. cuts out cheating… some players gain 2/3 yards before they shoot taking frees from the hand…! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 14/04/2024 23:01:41 2537866 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "Im not advocating for more fouling.I want more entertainment.Free taking from the ground is entertaining.Its no coincidence the higlights years ago showed free taking .They dont now unless its from awkward angles or distance.Maybe im looking through rose tinted glass but the Jimmy Keaveneys Barney and Dean Rocks Maurice Fitzgeralds Matt Connors Colin Corkerys Brian Staffords gave us all great entertainment not to mention the Cluxtons Seanie O Sheas Niall Morgans and Rory Beggan.My point is that ground free taking is so much more skilful." If it's more difficult to score frees than out of the hands then the game would end up with more fouls. Apart from a game winning free is anbody truly looking back at free kicks from the ground from close to goal. Even that one from Morgan didn't get that much attention and it was truly an epic kick. Maurice Fitz most iconic kick point was that banana kick shot fom the sideline against dublin in Thurles. What a brilliant kick it was to and imagine this.... it was from out of the hands. Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 780 - 15/04/2024 00:30:14 2537877 Link
Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "If it's more difficult to score frees than out of the hands then the game would end up with more fouls. Apart from a game winning free is anbody truly looking back at free kicks from the ground from close to goal. Even that one from Morgan didn't get that much attention and it was truly an epic kick. Maurice Fitz most iconic kick point was that banana kick shot fom the sideline against dublin in Thurles. What a brilliant kick it was to and imagine this.... it was from out of the hands." Of all the problems with foitball, lads taking frees from the hand isn't one of them. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1952 - 15/04/2024 09:26:41 2537904 Link
Replying To points50swiththeargyllsonthewrongfeet: "Out of interest, what was put on instead?" Dundalk racing OpenStand (Limerick) - Posts: 717 - 15/04/2024 09:32:25 2537908 Link
Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "If it's more difficult to score frees than out of the hands then the game would end up with more fouls. Apart from a game winning free is anbody truly looking back at free kicks from the ground from close to goal. Even that one from Morgan didn't get that much attention and it was truly an epic kick. Maurice Fitz most iconic kick point was that banana kick shot fom the sideline against dublin in Thurles. What a brilliant kick it was to and imagine this.... it was from out of the hands." No point arguing with some lads on here. They seem to think this is straightforward stuff. Bizarre. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 15/04/2024 09:36:40 2537912 Link
Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "If it's more difficult to score frees than out of the hands then the game would end up with more fouls. Apart from a game winning free is anbody truly looking back at free kicks from the ground from close to goal. Even that one from Morgan didn't get that much attention and it was truly an epic kick. Maurice Fitz most iconic kick point was that banana kick shot fom the sideline against dublin in Thurles. What a brilliant kick it was to and imagine this.... it was from out of the hands." Officials playing the advantage consistently over whistle happy referees should help to make the game better to watch. Call it back for a free then if no advantage arises within a set time. Needs to be done by all officials in communication with each other and by all, not just some referees who let a game flow and for me results in a better game. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 15/04/2024 09:45:41 2537915 Link
Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "If it's more difficult to score frees than out of the hands then the game would end up with more fouls. Apart from a game winning free is anbody truly looking back at free kicks from the ground from close to goal. Even that one from Morgan didn't get that much attention and it was truly an epic kick. Maurice Fitz most iconic kick point was that banana kick shot fom the sideline against dublin in Thurles. What a brilliant kick it was to and imagine this.... it was from out of the hands." Maurice Fitz s kick was from a line ball.I have no problem taking line balls from the hand but I dont think any free from inside the 45 metre line should be taken from hands .At least stop anyone inside the 21 line taking frees from hand.Im not saying im right.Im just saying there is no skill involved in taking close in frees from the hand. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 15/04/2024 09:46:07 2537916 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "Maurice Fitz s kick was from a line ball.I have no problem taking line balls from the hand but I dont think any free from inside the 45 metre line should be taken from hands .At least stop anyone inside the 21 line taking frees from hand.Im not saying im right.Im just saying there is no skill involved in taking close in frees from the hand." So you think taking time to set up a free from inside the 21 metre line and pop it over the bar is going to improve the game? Seriously? And this idea that players can just start training to take frees from the ground is not straight forward. Also the poster is making the point that we sometimes see amazing scores from frees from the hands where the kicker hits it with the outside of the boot from his wrong side. The likes of Ciaran McDonald does it all the time. There was 2 of them Saturday evening in the club game I was at. That doesn't happen if this idea became reality. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 15/04/2024 09:55:48 2537920 Link
Replying To Ulsterchamps_32: "If it's more difficult to score frees than out of the hands then the game would end up with more fouls. Apart from a game winning free is anbody truly looking back at free kicks from the ground from close to goal. Even that one from Morgan didn't get that much attention and it was truly an epic kick. Maurice Fitz most iconic kick point was that banana kick shot fom the sideline against dublin in Thurles. What a brilliant kick it was to and imagine this.... it was from out of the hands." A once in a lifetime shot…. nobody did it before or since…. a little bit like a cow standing on a hare…!!!! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 15/04/2024 10:00:13 2537925 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "No evidence it would slow pay down at all..all aspects of the game are difficult in certain conditions …practice means any forward could do it but I agree none of them can kick a ball of the ground at present leading to the nonsensical sight of every goalkeeper trudging up the field to take free kicks and 45's ( and this really does slow down the game ) you will never cut out cynical fouling regardless and players can still go short out of their hands or from the ground if they chose….You have to try a bit harder than that.. good lad…..!" Spoken like someone with absolutely zero involvement in the game as a player or a coach. Practice means any forward could do it. Lol lol lol lol. Club football must be unreal in your area . Ballers everywhere just waiting to pop frees over from the ground no matter what the distance is or the angle. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 15/04/2024 10:00:58 2537927 Link
Ciaran Mc did it all the time. Past tense obviously. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 15/04/2024 10:02:01 2537929 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "You obviously love the skill of kicking a ball from hands over the bar 14 yards out.Joe Biden could do that." Joe Biden has Mayo blood in him Mick, he'd probably miss it or kick it into his own goal at the vital moment. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3029 - 15/04/2024 10:52:05 2537947 Link
Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Joe Biden has Mayo blood in him Mick, he'd probably miss it or kick it into his own goal at the vital moment." What are you implying. That would never happen. Well, maybe in a final though! GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 15/04/2024 11:20:23 2537962 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "So you think taking time to set up a free from inside the 21 metre line and pop it over the bar is going to improve the game? Seriously? And this idea that players can just start training to take frees from the ground is not straight forward. Also the poster is making the point that we sometimes see amazing scores from frees from the hands where the kicker hits it with the outside of the boot from his wrong side. The likes of Ciaran McDonald does it all the time. There was 2 of them Saturday evening in the club game I was at. That doesn't happen if this idea became reality." First of all I was a free taker myself and most of that is practiced seperately from training.The outside of the boot kicks can be taken from distamce and line balls.You said you were a coach.Surely you dont think taking frees off the hand from near the posts is skillfull.No close in frees off the hand is my suggestion.You dont like it fine.Move on! Id also only allow marks from kicks from ground and they have to be caught over the head. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 15/04/2024 12:08:00 2537990 Link
Replying To TheFlaker: "Ciaran Mc did it all the time. Past tense obviously." Ciaran McDonald kicked off the ground also but you have selective memory as did Cillian O Connor.Much more skilful but you cant see that. CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 15/04/2024 12:10:46 2537992 Link