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List the key matches played by Fiji, Tonga and Samoa between the 2019 and 2023 World Cups

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1916 - 03/11/2023 18:15:36    2511460

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Lots of counties can be regarded as not taking gaelic football seriously then because they are rubbish. ireland must only have a tiny number of credible sides playing gaelic football because of the rubbish factor

theres lot more than 9 teams in rugby world cup who're competitive...."
Out of 10 world cups. 7 have been won by SA. and NZ. The reason Ireland have been doing well of late is that the standard of rugby has dropped. Sa and NZ have 2 old teams yet they still got to the final. Ireland won't get as good a chance again. They missed the boat.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 04/11/2023 11:13:28    2511486

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Replying To Viking66:  "Only 10 different counties have won the AI Football title since the first RWC in 1987. Only 11 have won it since 1958. In 65 years. And currently only a handful might win it next year. Pessimists might even say only 1 of 2 counties might win it next year. Gaelic Football is no more competitive at the top than Rugby or Hurling really."
10 different counties since 87 is pretty good imo.
That's effectively a third of the teams available.
In that time roscommon, Mayo, kildare, Roscommon, Monaghan have also produced very competitive teams, and counties like Westmeath, wexford, fermanagh, Laois have caused upsets the likes of which you'd almost never see at the RWC.

I see it getting worse as time goes on tho, as the increased commitment from players and expenditure required to compete will probably see all but the top 5 or 6 fall away.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 04/11/2023 18:59:21    2511500

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Over how many years are you counting? And is it fair to compare a yearly event to an event geld once every 4 years?
Rugby is played widely over Ireland ss well and rugby is a minority sport in Ireland as are all sports bar the biggest 2.
No Ireland is a top team in international rugby because of the systems in place from academies to the provinces to the national team"
I agree (and have said previously) Irish professional rugby has very good systems in place to maximise performance and that the 3 provincial teams and national Rugby team is well supported.

I have said, world cups aside, the national team have done well in the professional era and I'm happy to see that and support them.

I've praised Irish rugby for doing well despite few actually playing the sport here and you have taken that as an insult, I'm only stating the reality as I see it, as stated where I am you have to travel 30 minutes to get to the nearest Rugby club and the 2 parents I know of who have had children actually playing rugby have to travel big distances to away matches as there are few clubs around.

You then took insult because I answered a post to give a bit of perspective in the achievement that the national soccer team did in getting to last 8 of World cup in 1990 compared to the rugby team this year.
The reality is it is far easier to make a mark in international rugby than international soccer due to the relative popularity of both sports worldwide.

Your criticisms of me seem delusional as you have not really backed up anything your have criticised me for.

You took insult, as if I was downplaying how popular rugby is worldwide when I named what I saw as the 9 or 10 serious international rugby teams. You have said there is far more than this.
Can you actually name a good few of the teams you think I left out (by the way just for information Tonga has a population of 100k (slightly more than Westmeath) and Samoa has a population of 205k (slightly more than Armagh)).

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1400 - 05/11/2023 09:01:54    2511535

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Killingfields struggling to list the competitive matches played by Tonga, Fiji and Samoa between this year's and the 2019 RWC.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1916 - 05/11/2023 11:18:41    2511547

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "I agree (and have said previously) Irish professional rugby has very good systems in place to maximise performance and that the 3 provincial teams and national Rugby team is well supported.

I have said, world cups aside, the national team have done well in the professional era and I'm happy to see that and support them.

I've praised Irish rugby for doing well despite few actually playing the sport here and you have taken that as an insult, I'm only stating the reality as I see it, as stated where I am you have to travel 30 minutes to get to the nearest Rugby club and the 2 parents I know of who have had children actually playing rugby have to travel big distances to away matches as there are few clubs around.

You then took insult because I answered a post to give a bit of perspective in the achievement that the national soccer team did in getting to last 8 of World cup in 1990 compared to the rugby team this year.
The reality is it is far easier to make a mark in international rugby than international soccer due to the relative popularity of both sports worldwide.

Your criticisms of me seem delusional as you have not really backed up anything your have criticised me for.

You took insult, as if I was downplaying how popular rugby is worldwide when I named what I saw as the 9 or 10 serious international rugby teams. You have said there is far more than this.
Can you actually name a good few of the teams you think I left out (by the way just for information Tonga has a population of 100k (slightly more than Westmeath) and Samoa has a population of 205k (slightly more than Armagh))."
Aren't there 4 Professional Rugby Clubs?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1952 - 05/11/2023 12:19:10    2511558

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "Out of 10 world cups. 7 have been won by SA. and NZ. The reason Ireland have been doing well of late is that the standard of rugby has dropped. Sa and NZ have 2 old teams yet they still got to the final. Ireland won't get as good a chance again. They missed the boat."
Ireland has lost to 2 poor NZ teams at the last 2 WC, if we can't beat this NZ team with 1 of our greatest teams ever we will never beat them when they have a great team agai, we haven't got the mentality amongst our players or the supporters.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 847 - 05/11/2023 13:57:25    2511567

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Replying To bdbuddah:  "I agree (and have said previously) Irish professional rugby has very good systems in place to maximise performance and that the 3 provincial teams and national Rugby team is well supported.

I have said, world cups aside, the national team have done well in the professional era and I'm happy to see that and support them.

I've praised Irish rugby for doing well despite few actually playing the sport here and you have taken that as an insult, I'm only stating the reality as I see it, as stated where I am you have to travel 30 minutes to get to the nearest Rugby club and the 2 parents I know of who have had children actually playing rugby have to travel big distances to away matches as there are few clubs around.

You then took insult because I answered a post to give a bit of perspective in the achievement that the national soccer team did in getting to last 8 of World cup in 1990 compared to the rugby team this year.
The reality is it is far easier to make a mark in international rugby than international soccer due to the relative popularity of both sports worldwide.

Your criticisms of me seem delusional as you have not really backed up anything your have criticised me for.

You took insult, as if I was downplaying how popular rugby is worldwide when I named what I saw as the 9 or 10 serious international rugby teams. You have said there is far more than this.
Can you actually name a good few of the teams you think I left out (by the way just for information Tonga has a population of 100k (slightly more than Westmeath) and Samoa has a population of 205k (slightly more than Armagh))."
"Three provincial teams", does Leinster not get funding as well.

tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 338 - 05/11/2023 14:53:40    2511576

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  ""Three provincial teams", does Leinster not get funding as well."
My mistake, I should of said 4 provincial teams. Main change the main points of the post.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1400 - 05/11/2023 19:51:58    2511624

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Replying To updwell:  "Ireland has lost to 2 poor NZ teams at the last 2 WC, if we can't beat this NZ team with 1 of our greatest teams ever we will never beat them when they have a great team agai, we haven't got the mentality amongst our players or the supporters."
I don't think that's a poor NZ team.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13866 - 05/11/2023 22:45:06    2511655

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "Out of 10 world cups. 7 have been won by SA. and NZ. The reason Ireland have been doing well of late is that the standard of rugby has dropped. Sa and NZ have 2 old teams yet they still got to the final. Ireland won't get as good a chance again. They missed the boat."
The games that ireland played against SA and NZ are considered by most pundits up there with the best games of rugby played. The standard of Rugby has gone through the roof in the past 10 years. That comment is barstool rubbish

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 07/11/2023 17:02:19    2511977

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "Out of 10 world cups. 7 have been won by SA. and NZ. The reason Ireland have been doing well of late is that the standard of rugby has dropped. Sa and NZ have 2 old teams yet they still got to the final. Ireland won't get as good a chance again. They missed the boat."
The standard hasn't dropped. Cade to explain how though examples of play that the standard has dropped?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 07/11/2023 17:14:14    2511980

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Killingfields struggling to list the competitive matches played by Tonga, Fiji and Samoa between this year's and the 2019 RWC."
Not struggling at all.
They were affected by covid but still managed tests against new zealand. Had the autumn nations Cup tests and I'm on phone so cant/won't list each and every test these sides played in that time...

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 07/11/2023 17:23:04    2511983

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Replying To zinny:  "The games that ireland played against SA and NZ are considered by most pundits up there with the best games of rugby played. The standard of Rugby has gone through the roof in the past 10 years. That comment is barstool rubbish"
Why wouldn't the standard go up with the game going professional? Dick Spring used to play no15 for Ireland ffs, Keenan and Kearney would be well pushed not to improve on that.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3875 - 07/11/2023 17:35:12    2511988

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Replying To KillingFields: "What about the physicality in rugby will stop it advancing in terms of playing numbers?
Theres been plenty of new rugby clubs over past decade or so and likely to be more again over the next decade or clubs expand as more join. back in my day playing underage many clubs only fielded teams at age grade every second age group now theyre fielding every single age group and its coming up at adult level as well. though provinces and irfu need to change compstitions etc to help get more done to keep people playing u20s and adult level..."


This again? I highlighted the fact there have been no new clubs in Connaught in the past 10 years yet here you are again throwing random statements out there about the formation of new clubs.

No more than yourself i grew up playing rugby and am still a member and supporter of the rugby club I played for and the GAA club I played for and am involved with. I see both sides of the debate. You are just here to promote rugby and don't have any real facts to back up a lot of your claims.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7662 - 02/11/2023 21:18:41 2511354



Still awaiting a response to this. You have mentioned more than once the new rugby clubs.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8155 - 07/11/2023 18:11:47    2511994

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Hardly.. Yet again they flattered to deceive on the big occasion.. Considering the squad had so many non Irish players hardly encouraging for any young rugby player.

Farney1990 (Monaghan) - Posts: 20 - 07/11/2023 19:23:38    2512003

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Why wouldn't the standard go up with the game going professional? Dick Spring used to play no15 for Ireland ffs, Keenan and Kearney would be well pushed not to improve on that."
The poster had said the standard of rugby has gone down, fact is each year its rising to new levels a d in particular the skills that all players now have to use on the pitch.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 08/11/2023 16:59:23    2512148

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Replying To zinny:  "The games that ireland played against SA and NZ are considered by most pundits up there with the best games of rugby played. The standard of Rugby has gone through the roof in the past 10 years. That comment is barstool rubbish"
How are you measuring the standard of rugby compared to ten years ago?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 09/11/2023 08:58:23    2512189

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "How are you measuring the standard of rugby compared to ten years ago?"
Ball in play, accuracy of set piece, tackles made, phases per possession etc. Even parts that cannot be measured or don't get measured the times a forward has been part of a passing movement that resulted in a score.
All of these will point to a game where you have to be fitter and more skilled that ever before at the top level. Not sure how much more they can get out of it and where the next evolution will come from.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1900 - 09/11/2023 19:50:01    2512297

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Replying To zinny:  "Ball in play, accuracy of set piece, tackles made, phases per possession etc. Even parts that cannot be measured or don't get measured the times a forward has been part of a passing movement that resulted in a score.
All of these will point to a game where you have to be fitter and more skilled that ever before at the top level. Not sure how much more they can get out of it and where the next evolution will come from."
Especially with looming legal issues on the latent CTE aspects too. You'd hear yer man Corcoran there on radio foaming at the mouth doing Munster games, about so-and-so 'smashing' so-and-so, smashing this, smashing that. There's a heavy physical price to be paid for all this smashing. Corkery is in a bad way. Fogarty was too, but improved when he got a coaching job.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3875 - 10/11/2023 14:11:48    2512362

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