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Shinty-Hurling Series To Return In October

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Poorer land more suited to a big ball?
The South Leinster/Munster stuff was more suited to big dry fields."
Not too many big dry fields in Wexford. Was a poor enough county even well into the 90s.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 08/10/2023 13:54:53    2507331

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Replying To Viking66:  "Not too many big dry fields in Wexford. Was a poor enough county even well into the 90s."
As long as you had man mountains in at edge of square you were competitive.

Need to start lashing out the fries and stop with all the Fancy Dan stuff.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 09/10/2023 00:05:37    2507456

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "As long as you had man mountains in at edge of square you were competitive.

Need to start lashing out the fries and stop with all the Fancy Dan stuff."
Spot on! Amd we need to spend more time on the clumsy big lads at underage and get their skill levels up.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 10/10/2023 21:14:16    2507803

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The promotion and coverage of this was really hopeless. An international match and It didn't even get a mention on the RTÉ news that night.

ErneSheugh (Fermanagh) - Posts: 3 - 26/10/2023 14:44:59    2510474

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Replying To ErneSheugh:  "The promotion and coverage of this was really hopeless. An international match and It didn't even get a mention on the RTÉ news that night."
Because it's bloody brutal and has run its course I think. Too many differences between the two sports to make a game any way compatible. And it's not enjoyable to watch at all.

Watching a bit of it the other day someone mentioned that it's almost like a modern day hurling team playing a hurling team from a hundred years ago (with better striking off the ground obviously haha).

Low2Joe (Wexford) - Posts: 54 - 27/10/2023 02:29:24    2510560

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Replying To MesAmis:  "The game got too uncompetitive for awhile so Ireland had to stop picking lads from top Liam McCarthy counties iirc.

It's mainly limited to lads outside the top tier now and is more competitive for it.

An enjoyable game to watch, the Scottish lads have some strike off the ground with their camán.

Any "hurling" that was played in Ulster, North Leinster before the foundation of the GAA was essentially the same as Shinty in Scotland today but was killed off by the codifying of the game basically just being the game as was played further south. Hence the lack of hurling in most places north of the Eiscir Riada today."
That's very interesting to be fair. I'd love to see how much the rules of hurling changed after the foundation of the gaa.

Leitrimforliam (Leitrim) - Posts: 326 - 27/10/2023 08:39:38    2510563

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Replying To Leitrimforliam:  "That's very interesting to be fair. I'd love to see how much the rules of hurling changed after the foundation of the gaa."
Hurling as it was played before Cusack codified the rules was more akin to shinty. The sticks that were used would not have been able to be employed much in lifting and carrying the ball, Not sure when the taking of ball into the hand was adopted but I'd imagine it was a foolhardy exercise at one point!

i have photograph of my Grandad on a Dublin team in 1920s and the bos was about 4 inches at widest. In old films you can see lads quickly lifting the sliothar and striking but not taking in hand. I used to have Ó Caithina's Scéal na hIomána but some dirtbag never returned it to me. I'd say its mad price to buy now but well worth it. Excellent history/

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 27/10/2023 09:42:12    2510570

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It's a pity for me that I had somewhere else to be that day because our club played the intermediate final (lost) that was held there and Ireland won for a change in the International.

I have always been curious about the shinty, but it's unlikely they will be playing in my county again any time soon.

Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1558 - 27/10/2023 09:43:29    2510572

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Hurling as it was played before Cusack codified the rules was more akin to shinty. The sticks that were used would not have been able to be employed much in lifting and carrying the ball, Not sure when the taking of ball into the hand was adopted but I'd imagine it was a foolhardy exercise at one point!

i have photograph of my Grandad on a Dublin team in 1920s and the bos was about 4 inches at widest. In old films you can see lads quickly lifting the sliothar and striking but not taking in hand. I used to have Ó Caithina's Scéal na hIomána but some dirtbag never returned it to me. I'd say its mad price to buy now but well worth it. Excellent history/"
Apparently at the start large groups from neighbouring parishes played hurling along roads. Organised games in fields started around the 17th or 18th Century. Even in the early 20th Century hurls were more similar to what the Scottish lads have these days.

http://irisharchaeology.ie/2011/09/hurling-its-ancient-history/

https://www.irishphotoarchive.ie/image/I0000Te9SZcS8bqw

Hope these are interesting.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 27/10/2023 10:19:36    2510588

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Replying To Viking66:  "Apparently at the start large groups from neighbouring parishes played hurling along roads. Organised games in fields started around the 17th or 18th Century. Even in the early 20th Century hurls were more similar to what the Scottish lads have these days.

http://irisharchaeology.ie/2011/09/hurling-its-ancient-history/

https://www.irishphotoarchive.ie/image/I0000Te9SZcS8bqw

Hope these are interesting."
In almost every book written by or about people who were living in Irish speaking coastal areas there are references to hurling on the beach, That was also the only place on An Blascaod Mór where the boys could play caid. An Trá Bán. Níl aon duine ar an trá anois ach na róin :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 27/10/2023 10:45:21    2510597

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "In almost every book written by or about people who were living in Irish speaking coastal areas there are references to hurling on the beach, That was also the only place on An Blascaod Mór where the boys could play caid. An Trá Bán. Níl aon duine ar an trá anois ach na róin :-)"
I suppose back in those days lads were clubbing them for their fur and blubber!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13862 - 27/10/2023 14:25:24    2510638

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Replying To Viking66:  "I suppose back in those days lads were clubbing them for their fur and blubber!"
They used ate them!

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 27/10/2023 14:35:56    2510640

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Decided to treat myself to replacing my stolen copy of Ó Caithina's book.

In the first chapter he quotes an account from an English visitor in 1697 or 1698 of hurling match in Naas, They played with sticks which sound pretty much like those still in use up to early 1900s. Players did carry the ball on the bas for up to 30/40 yards before being tackled if they got a chance, and then struck off the bas without ever taking ball in hand.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 04/11/2023 19:23:43    2511503

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