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McDonagh Cup Link To All-Ireland To Be Removed?

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hard to know why they did that."
I'm not going to complain about Leinster's decision to put the Kerry minors in Tier 1. If it was seen as a barometer that Kerry must be in Tier 2, so be it.
The minor and u20 championships are getting good crowds within the current provincial format, again the GAA will not be moving away from that in a hurry.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 14/07/2023 16:25:34    2494400

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Replying To legendzxix:  "I'm not going to complain about Leinster's decision to put the Kerry minors in Tier 1. If it was seen as a barometer that Kerry must be in Tier 2, so be it.
The minor and u20 championships are getting good crowds within the current provincial format, again the GAA will not be moving away from that in a hurry."
I went to nearly all our minor and u20 games this year and the Leinster u20 final was the only one of them with a good crowd at it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 15/07/2023 13:09:25    2494483

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Replying To Viking66:  "I went to nearly all our minor and u20 games this year and the Leinster u20 final was the only one of them with a good crowd at it."
And only for Offaly, there would have been a small crowd at it too.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1785 - 16/07/2023 12:23:21    2494745

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "And only for Offaly, there would have been a small crowd at it too."
Yep. I'd say there were only around 2000 of us from down here at it.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 16/07/2023 16:12:20    2494812

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Recent media reports seem to suggest the McDonagh final will move to later in the year. Counties will decide I suppose. If the McDonagh final is a curtain raiser before an All-Ireland semi-final, there is scope to expand the McDonagh to 8 teams playing 7 games each and the top 4 advancing to McDonagh semi-finals, with the top 2 rewarded home advantage.
If Kildare were pardoned from relegation this year, the McDonagh could be 7 teams next year and then 8 for the following year onwards. The Christy Ring Cup can retain 6. The Rackard and Meagher then being 5 teams each.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 22/07/2023 09:35:20    2496078

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Recent media reports seem to suggest the McDonagh final will move to later in the year. Counties will decide I suppose. If the McDonagh final is a curtain raiser before an All-Ireland semi-final, there is scope to expand the McDonagh to 8 teams playing 7 games each and the top 4 advancing to McDonagh semi-finals, with the top 2 rewarded home advantage.
If Kildare were pardoned from relegation this year, the McDonagh could be 7 teams next year and then 8 for the following year onwards. The Christy Ring Cup can retain 6. The Rackard and Meagher then being 5 teams each."
The Leinster chairman is also chair of the CCCC.Why is he acting against the interest of Leinster counties?
Would it have anything to do with an election in 2026?

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1602 - 22/07/2023 10:02:42    2496084

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Well if they are going to take away the Mcdonagh winners place in a preliminary quarter final the least they can do is have it as the opening match on All Ireland final day.Dont agree with the change but it would provide a decent platform for the GAA's most competitive competition.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1602 - 27/07/2023 12:41:25    2497270

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Mcdonagh cup is a great competition..however most matches went under the radar outside of competing counties..how about playing the final with the McCarthy cup semi final on the Sunday??it would also allow teams have a break rather than be out 7 or weeks on the trot.

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2380 - 27/07/2023 13:40:33    2497288

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Replying To jobber:  "Well if they are going to take away the Mcdonagh winners place in a preliminary quarter final the least they can do is have it as the opening match on All Ireland final day.Dont agree with the change but it would provide a decent platform for the GAA's most competitive competition."
And ye'd get 1,500 tickets if ye were lucky.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1960 - 27/07/2023 13:47:14    2497293

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I don't think it's a good idea to have the McDonagh as a curtain raiser to a big AI game, it wasn't that popular this year for the Tailteann.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 27/07/2023 15:40:47    2497319

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Mcdonagh cup is a great competition..however most matches went under the radar outside of competing counties..how about playing the final with the McCarthy cup semi final on the Sunday??it would also allow teams have a break rather than be out 7 or weeks on the trot."
Thats fine but the Mcdonagh cup materialised on the promise of preliminary quarter finals if Leinster let Galway,Antrim and Kerry into Leinster.I think Leinster despite its ambitous chair needs to show some courage.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1602 - 28/07/2023 00:19:46    2497378

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Replying To Viking66:  "There is already a link between the 2. Win the Joe Mac and you are in the Liam Mccarthy the following year. Is that not enough?"
This.

The competition is reasonably well matched. No need for any more carrots.

Now if we can fix the ridiculous league structure, that would be a help too.

Top 6 in 1A
Next 6 in 1B

UpOffaly (Offaly) - Posts: 69 - 28/07/2023 01:14:15    2497380

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Replying To UpOffaly:  "This.

The competition is reasonably well matched. No need for any more carrots.

Now if we can fix the ridiculous league structure, that would be a help too.

Top 6 in 1A
Next 6 in 1B"
Spot on. League should go back to div1 and call div1b div2 and have promotion and relegation between the 2. And no League semis or finals would mean more space for either club games or breaks in the intercounty championship.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 28/07/2023 10:14:02    2497392

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The league semi-finals had good crowds this year. Understandable the GAA are reluctant to remove them.
If the top 6 are in 1A, 2nd v 3rd in a semi-final.
If the next 6 are in 1B, 2nd v 3rd in a semi-final as well. The GAA retain two semi-finals. There will be an added final for 1B.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 28/07/2023 10:29:13    2497398

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Replying To legendzxix:  "The league semi-finals had good crowds this year. Understandable the GAA are reluctant to remove them.
If the top 6 are in 1A, 2nd v 3rd in a semi-final.
If the next 6 are in 1B, 2nd v 3rd in a semi-final as well. The GAA retain two semi-finals. There will be an added final for 1B."
That's ridiculous. If 1a is going to be the new div1 then div2, div1b, teams shouldn't be in a div1 semi final ahead of div1 teams. That was one of the things that was wrong with the old 1a and 1b system in the 1st place.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 28/07/2023 10:57:45    2497402

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Replying To Viking66:  "That's ridiculous. If 1a is going to be the new div1 then div2, div1b, teams shouldn't be in a div1 semi final ahead of div1 teams. That was one of the things that was wrong with the old 1a and 1b system in the 1st place."
You've misread my comment. To elaborate:

Top 6 in 1A. 2nd v 3rd in 1A semi-final. Winner v top team in 1A final.

Next 6 in 1B. 2nd v 3rd in 1B semi-final. Winner v top team in 1B final. Winner promoted.

This format is already used in 2A, 2B, 3A and 3B.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 28/07/2023 11:36:54    2497411

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Replying To Viking66:  "That's ridiculous. If 1a is going to be the new div1 then div2, div1b, teams shouldn't be in a div1 semi final ahead of div1 teams. That was one of the things that was wrong with the old 1a and 1b system in the 1st place."
Time League Finals bit the dust in both hurling and football.
Top team wins the Trophy as a reward for having the best League record and all teams get the same amount of games.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1960 - 28/07/2023 11:46:33    2497413

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Time League Finals bit the dust in both hurling and football.
Top team wins the Trophy as a reward for having the best League record and all teams get the same amount of games."
The advantage of finals should be an extra competitive game unless you are playing the week after. People are voting with their feet and attending Division 1 finals. Lower hurling divisions could probably allow the top team home advantage. Neutral venues get less crowds for lower divisions. A high profile home game might attract more of a crowd e.g. Kildare hosting Offaly in a 2A final.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8293 - 28/07/2023 12:35:38    2497429

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Replying To jobber:  "Well if they are going to take away the Mcdonagh winners place in a preliminary quarter final the least they can do is have it as the opening match on All Ireland final day.Dont agree with the change but it would provide a decent platform for the GAA's most competitive competition."
The preliminary quarter final link was only a token gesture anyway. Wasn't it under Nickey Brennan's reign as GAA president that they went back to having the minor games as curtain raisers instead of the lower grade games? Just shows the rank protectionism of "hurling people" and then wondering why the game won't expand past a handful of counties.

Would have been great for Carlow v Offaly to be played last Sunday. At a minimum play it ahead of one of the semi finals and play the JM semi finals ahead of the Munster and Leinster finals. If we want to grow the game we need to give the lower grades as much profile as possible. Cusack and the likes always take the easy option and blame RTE, GAA Go, football etc etc....

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 301 - 28/07/2023 12:48:18    2497430

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Replying To legendzxix:  "You've misread my comment. To elaborate:

Top 6 in 1A. 2nd v 3rd in 1A semi-final. Winner v top team in 1A final.

Next 6 in 1B. 2nd v 3rd in 1B semi-final. Winner v top team in 1B final. Winner promoted.

This format is already used in 2A, 2B, 3A and 3B."
Why the need for so many extra League games?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 28/07/2023 17:25:17    2497502

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