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Replying To Yellaman: "Fair comment Magpie. So many people are blaming the layoff since county final ( the clubs and players voted for the current system) but what are the excuses for the poor Leinster club results in the last 6 or 7 years ??
We can go on making excuses (blaming fixture schedule, poor referees etc) but unfortunately I believe that we are not at the top table when it comes to Leinster club championship. The results of the last few years are testament to this.
Its only a few months since we were one bad result (thankfully it didn't happen) from dropping out of the Senior championship.
It gives me no pleasure in reminding people that we are not the hurling super-power that some seem to think we are." Kilcormac finished that game with 5 18 year olds on the field - they wouldn't have hurled in adult competitions this year in wexford ...another bonkers decision that was pushed through at the convention last year. St pats had a 16 year old a 17 year old and an 18 year old on the field at the end of the FAI Cup final today ..in wexford we were told we had to protect our 18 year olds from burnout... id imagine the kilcormac young lads are happy they weren't 'protected' the same way as they walzted their way past our senior champs today.
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Results for Wexford clubs not really much different to what they had been before the split season.
I think a bit too much giving out being done about clubs not performing in Leinster. It's a good achievement for the club involved but realistically is has very little baring on hurling in the rest of the county. Our club players get to play championship hurling in the best weather which has to make it more enjoyable for players and supporters alike. I think it's the best way to go. Leinster is only bonus territory for one club. I'd rather have the majority playing when the weather's good tbh (I know the weather can be bad then too, but not as bad).
Ballygunners dominance is not having any effect on Waterford hurling, Cualas run did nothing for Dublin. Same as the few northern teams that have done well has done nothing for hurling in them counties. You'll rarely see a tipp or clare team do well in the club championships and it's not holding them back.
I'd say leave it as it is.
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Its crazy that 5 KK players who featured today including Adam Screeney wouldn't have been allowed to play in the Wexford championship this year with the u18 decoupling.
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Replying To Viking66: ""Or is it that our club teams are not as good as we think they are? My opinion is that the latter is the case."
Who thinks any of our clubs have great teams at the minute? There's no club standing out in Wexford at the minute so if they aren't standing out here why would anyone expect them to stand out among the best teams in Leinster? As regards Cloughbawn the feedback I got from them during the week was that they had achieved what they wanted to achieve. Plus they were missing players also." Very strange mentality from Cloughbawn to have I must say considering how they performed in the Leinster club in 2019 and a very low bar to set as they have won the Wexford Intermediate championship as recently as 2019 and put in one of the worst provincials displays ever by a Wexford club in Leinster IHC q-final V Naas in 2019. (Cloughbawn scored 2pts from play the whole game out of total of 9pts).
Wexford hurling will go nowhere without ambitious clubs like in Kilkenny, Limerick, Galway etc.
Past hurler (None) - Posts: 798 - 12/11/2023 22:45:00
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Replying To Magpie2: "If I hear anyone else saying we were rusty, haven't played for 10 weeks, they were off the pace, first touch poor, I'll go mad. Are we going to be saying the same things every year.
The bald facts are that Gorey today and Cloughbawn yesterday were quite simply beaten out the gate. Gorey I believe were training very hard for the last 3 or 4 weeks, so they shouldn't be short of match practice. The K ks were in control for most of the game and they made Naomh Eanna look like a very average side. 14 point win says it all and the same yesterday.
The sooner we wake up in Wexford the better.
The split season has to be abolished. Or is it that our club teams are not as good as we think they are? My opinion is that the latter is the case.
It gives me no pleasure making the above observations. I want to come on be proud of the achievements of our club and county teams but the results don't lie." Spot on Magpie..... yesterday showed how average that Gorey side is and how average club hurling in general in Wexford is. Yes its competitive in all grades within the county but that's about it. Wouldn't pick too many county lads from that team yesterday - Charlie was the stand out performer in club champ and didn't get a look at it yesterday when intensity and speed of game was bit faster.
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It's hard to know what the answer is but overall I'd be very disappointed with that.
To be fair kk really wanted it. Their defence wasn't giving anything up and keeper made about 10 serious saves.
They were willing to put their bodies on the line and Gorey were not.
Thought they should have been further ahead at half time to be honest.
After the dodgy first goal, and very good second goal there was only one team in it.
It had no impact on the result, but Sean cleere was seriously hard on Gorey I thought.
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Replying To OasisorBlur: "Kilcormac finished that game with 5 18 year olds on the field - they wouldn't have hurled in adult competitions this year in wexford ...another bonkers decision that was pushed through at the convention last year. St pats had a 16 year old a 17 year old and an 18 year old on the field at the end of the FAI Cup final today ..in wexford we were told we had to protect our 18 year olds from burnout... id imagine the kilcormac young lads are happy they weren't 'protected' the same way as they walzted their way past our senior champs today." Its clear that both the rule on 18 year olds being banned from playing adult in Wexford has to be abolished after this season. Also we need to go back to back to alternate weeks for the benefit of Wexford hurling and football whatever format it may be. On another note Conor Mac is really struggling with his back which was clearly evident yesterday and he should be given plenty of time to get that right over the coming months
Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 999 - 13/11/2023 11:01:26
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Replying To Groundball: "The reality is clubs are not working hard enough to develop players. The Olart team that were successful were as a result of a good crop coming at the same time and the local club and a few really hard working school teachers spending the time working with them. The fact that it was purely hurling surely was a help too.
There was no such thing as a GPO or asking co board to come and do anything. Can anyone name a club who is doing this work now?" Oulart
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13783 - 13/11/2023 11:11:11
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Replying To Groundball: "The reality is clubs are not working hard enough to develop players. The Olart team that were successful were as a result of a good crop coming at the same time and the local club and a few really hard working school teachers spending the time working with them. The fact that it was purely hurling surely was a help too.
There was no such thing as a GPO or asking co board to come and do anything. Can anyone name a club who is doing this work now?" Oulart and Oylegate
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13783 - 13/11/2023 11:11:25
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Replying To OasisorBlur: "Kilcormac finished that game with 5 18 year olds on the field - they wouldn't have hurled in adult competitions this year in wexford ...another bonkers decision that was pushed through at the convention last year. St pats had a 16 year old a 17 year old and an 18 year old on the field at the end of the FAI Cup final today ..in wexford we were told we had to protect our 18 year olds from burnout... id imagine the kilcormac young lads are happy they weren't 'protected' the same way as they walzted their way past our senior champs today." Think it's as much to do with fixture arranging and timing, and referee availability, as much as burnout.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13783 - 13/11/2023 11:12:17
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Replying To Groundball: "The reality is clubs are not working hard enough to develop players. The Olart team that were successful were as a result of a good crop coming at the same time and the local club and a few really hard working school teachers spending the time working with them. The fact that it was purely hurling surely was a help too.
There was no such thing as a GPO or asking co board to come and do anything. Can anyone name a club who is doing this work now?" Nail on the head ground ball , a lot of people shy away from this point. It's very admirable to try and develop hurling and football equally but it means that you will never reach a high standard in either. As you say Oulart are the example of that in Wexford , you can go back to Rathnure and the Alley also and Kilkenny are the consistent example of it. Only in very exceptional circumstances do you see clubs achieving in both. Go back the list of leinster clubs and clubs being successful in hurling Nationally , they are all almost without exception hurling only clubs.
OasisorBlur (Wexford) - Posts: 46 - 13/11/2023 11:13:03
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Replying To Low2Joe: "Results for Wexford clubs not really much different to what they had been before the split season.
I think a bit too much giving out being done about clubs not performing in Leinster. It's a good achievement for the club involved but realistically is has very little baring on hurling in the rest of the county. Our club players get to play championship hurling in the best weather which has to make it more enjoyable for players and supporters alike. I think it's the best way to go. Leinster is only bonus territory for one club. I'd rather have the majority playing when the weather's good tbh (I know the weather can be bad then too, but not as bad).
Ballygunners dominance is not having any effect on Waterford hurling, Cualas run did nothing for Dublin. Same as the few northern teams that have done well has done nothing for hurling in them counties. You'll rarely see a tipp or clare team do well in the club championships and it's not holding them back.
I'd say leave it as it is." Cork club teams haven't done that well for many years either, and I think Limerick only have one club AI same as ourselves.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13783 - 13/11/2023 11:14:02
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Replying To Past hurler: "Very strange mentality from Cloughbawn to have I must say considering how they performed in the Leinster club in 2019 and a very low bar to set as they have won the Wexford Intermediate championship as recently as 2019 and put in one of the worst provincials displays ever by a Wexford club in Leinster IHC q-final V Naas in 2019. (Cloughbawn scored 2pts from play the whole game out of total of 9pts).
Wexford hurling will go nowhere without ambitious clubs like in Kilkenny, Limerick, Galway etc." Provincial success only seems a bonus to most Wexford clubs. Remember most of those lads were togged out for Cloughbawn for 13 weekends over 16 weekends. For many promotion was the target, not Provincial success.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13783 - 13/11/2023 11:16:17
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Replying To Afinestick: "Its clear that both the rule on 18 year olds being banned from playing adult in Wexford has to be abolished after this season. Also we need to go back to back to alternate weeks for the benefit of Wexford hurling and football whatever format it may be. On another note Conor Mac is really struggling with his back which was clearly evident yesterday and he should be given plenty of time to get that right over the coming months" How will Wexford hurling and football benefit from alternate weeks? The only people who will benefit from that are ones who don't have too many players playing both, or those that aren't really interested in both codes. The vast majority of club players in Wexford play both codes, and the standard would have to be worse if they have to alternate training week on week between what are 2 completely different sports with different skillsets. The general standard in both would have to be worse.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13783 - 13/11/2023 11:20:17
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Replying To Past hurler: "Very strange mentality from Cloughbawn to have I must say considering how they performed in the Leinster club in 2019 and a very low bar to set as they have won the Wexford Intermediate championship as recently as 2019 and put in one of the worst provincials displays ever by a Wexford club in Leinster IHC q-final V Naas in 2019. (Cloughbawn scored 2pts from play the whole game out of total of 9pts).
Wexford hurling will go nowhere without ambitious clubs like in Kilkenny, Limerick, Galway etc." Cloughbawn rested players during football champ so they would be right for Leinster Club - that's why they bombed in the football. They were going all out for Leinster Club but we are not at same level as other counties. Be interesting to see how Cranford do against Kilkenny junior champs.
grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 176 - 13/11/2023 11:23:56
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Gorey are to reliant on mac and he was poor yesterday in my opinion.
Their half backs and midfield lines who dominated most teams in wexford championship.
were nt as sharp and when they won ball had too few options up front. kk used the plus 1 very well and rarely looked like they were in trouble through the middle even when gorey got a run at them. They got blocked down too many times in standing positions all over the field .
Gorey sucked up the field especially in 2nd half left too much space between midfield and full firward line and subseqently had no space up front and got punished having to turn and face their own goal too often to defend .
Kk got the game plan right Gorey did nt . Few lads looked unfit and carrying timber
Eoin molloy was a huge loss for gorey don't think their f forward would have had it that easy on him .
Gorey whilst good team prob lack a little in skill and wristiness just an observation not a criticism .
Where do we stand In leinster club championship hard to see any wexford team going well in hurling for good while football seems to be more competitive is that to do with structure, or that couple football teams are well ahead of the pack . As no stand out club hurling teams at present a fairly level playing field .
Thought few years back st martins would have been that team hard to know where that went wrong .
Fethard really are the stand out team in last few years at leinster club football was some achievement last year . And now they are relegated again just shows how hard it can be at club In wexford . Never mind leinster .
Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 299 - 13/11/2023 11:30:47
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The spread of different winners has a huge impact on a teams hunger going beyond the county championship. I'd imagine a lot of lads after winning a county championship don't have a massive hunger for the provincial championship and would rather enjoy the county win and possibly just take a break? The season is long enough. What our clubs do after our county championships has no bearing on wexford hurling. And also very hard to get back to hard training in the winter weather when realistically you have no hope of actually winning a Leinster or All Ireland.
If we had a team or a couple of teams that dominated, then you'd see a different attitude going in to Leinster. Oulart were like that when they were on top, now they didn't do great but still they could get themselves up to have a go because a wexford championship wasn't a new thing to them.
Looking at our results, since Oularts Leinster win in 15, our teams have been mostly well bet. It's not a new thing. It's obviously where our clubs are at. Plenty of other "strong counties" don't perform well in club all Ireland's. Can we just enjoy our hurling, football and our clubs and stop always looking for something to change or moan about.
I do think that u18 should be playing adult though. That is one thing I would change. Burnout is from over training, not playing matches so it can be done if managed correctly.
Low2Joe (Wexford) - Posts: 54 - 13/11/2023 11:38:50
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Replying To TerribleFootwork: "Its crazy that 5 KK players who featured today including Adam Screeney wouldn't have been allowed to play in the Wexford championship this year with the u18 decoupling." Offaly play minor at U17 which was how wexford had it. Why was it changed?
wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 185 - 13/11/2023 11:48:06
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Replying To grassroots01: "Cloughbawn rested players during football champ so they would be right for Leinster Club - that's why they bombed in the football. They were going all out for Leinster Club but we are not at same level as other counties. Be interesting to see how Cranford do against Kilkenny junior champs." They were still celebrating would be a better way of putting it! Along with the important lads that missed the whole club championship this year and therefore had no competitive hurling done in over a year, Flood and Murphy were also injured coming into last weekend. Any club team would struggle missing so many of their best lads.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13783 - 13/11/2023 11:48:08
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Replying To grassroots01: "Cloughbawn rested players during football champ so they would be right for Leinster Club - that's why they bombed in the football. They were going all out for Leinster Club but we are not at same level as other counties. Be interesting to see how Cranford do against Kilkenny junior champs." Horeswood won Leinster at that level last year.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13783 - 13/11/2023 11:52:57
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