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Round 3 Neutral Venues All Ireland

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After the draw this afternoon we know that round 3 will be held in neutral venues. I have had a stab at choosing the venues. Of course Croke Park will be used for at least 2 games but I have not picked Croke Park for any of the games as I have gone with stand alone fixtures to fill stadiums and create a better atmosphere. This fixtures also depend on how wins provincial finals over the next 2 weeks. I have predicted that all 4 favorites will win them. (Galway, Kerry, Dublin and Derry)

Kerry VS Louth - O'Moore Park, Portlaoise - Capacity: 22,000
Mayo VS Cork - TUS Gaelic Grounds - Capacity: 44,000

Tyrone VS Westmeath - Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada, Carrick-on-Shannon - Capacity: 10,000
Galway VS Armagh - Breffni Park, Cavan - Capacity: 25,000

Dublin VS Sligo - Dr. Hyde Park, Roscommon - Capacity: 19,000
Roscommon VS Kildare - O Connor Park, Tullamore - Capacity: 18,000

Derry VS Clare - MacHale Park, Castlebar - Capacity: 26,000
Monaghan VS Donegal - Healy Park, Omagh - Capacity: 18,000

Imagine the atmospheres that we could get at some of these games!!!

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 513 - 02/05/2023 15:00:54    2475120

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Even though I live in Dublin, it would be great if the vast majority of the round three matches were played in rural towns. Less travelling for supporters and not stuck in Dublin traffic. The rural towns could certainly do with the extra business. For example playing the Dublin v Sligo match or the Galway v Armagh match in Roscommon would go down well in Roscommon town.
Unfortunately we will probably have double headers in Croke Park on the Saturday & Sunday?
Getting stewarts might be a problem if your county team is playing away on the same day.
Probably the GAA will consider this when deciding if the match is on a Saturday or Sunday.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 631 - 02/05/2023 15:24:16    2475139

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Id imagine that there will be a double header in Croker at some stage for these neutral clashes

Jack L (None) - Posts: 3141 - 02/05/2023 15:24:32    2475141

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Replying To Jack L:  "Id imagine that there will be a double header in Croker at some stage for these neutral clashes"
You'd imagine the only chance of a double header in Croke Park would be Dublin v Sligo and Galway v Armagh / Derry. With 3 teams progressing from a group it means both games will have meaning on the final day so both games would need to be played at the same time to make it fair.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3685 - 02/05/2023 22:53:33    2475279

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Whilst I completely agree with you, it's nonsensical to have any of these games in a half empty Croke Park, but it's inevitable there will be a Double header somewhere. There's plenty of provincial grounds all over the country capable of hosting big games.

I could see that Dublin Vs Sligo & Roscommon VS Kildare fixture being the double header. The GAA won't be able to resist the revenue whilst hiding behind the whole "Oh we have to fulfil the Dublin season ticket holder" argument. Dublin will only play 1 game outside of Croke Park for the remainder of the championship and it'll be that away game in the group stage

hyperache (Meath) - Posts: 251 - 03/05/2023 11:17:31    2475354

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Think it's disgraceful that the best team in the championship gets 2 home games while every other team gets one.

Why play a group game in a half empty croker when you can generate a great atmosphere in a provencial ground?

Either Galway or Sligo should refuse to play their nuetral game in the Dub's back yard. Regardless of the result It's the principal and if Galway or Sligo boycot the game it'll set the precedent.

centrefield99 (Galway) - Posts: 136 - 03/05/2023 12:13:19    2475372

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Replying To if_in_doubt:  "You'd imagine the only chance of a double header in Croke Park would be Dublin v Sligo and Galway v Armagh / Derry. With 3 teams progressing from a group it means both games will have meaning on the final day so both games would need to be played at the same time to make it fair."
Good point. They are not going to hold two games from same group at different times.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 03/05/2023 12:15:00    2475373

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Replying To hyperache:  "Whilst I completely agree with you, it's nonsensical to have any of these games in a half empty Croke Park, but it's inevitable there will be a Double header somewhere. There's plenty of provincial grounds all over the country capable of hosting big games.

I could see that Dublin Vs Sligo & Roscommon VS Kildare fixture being the double header. The GAA won't be able to resist the revenue whilst hiding behind the whole "Oh we have to fulfil the Dublin season ticket holder" argument. Dublin will only play 1 game outside of Croke Park for the remainder of the championship and it'll be that away game in the group stage"
Whats the " dublin season ticket holder argument"? Every other county has season ticket holders and they dont expect that to mean that they play so called neutral venue games at home.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 955 - 03/05/2023 12:23:44    2475375

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Whats the " dublin season ticket holder argument"? Every other county has season ticket holders and they dont expect that to mean that they play so called neutral venue games at home."
There should be a term and condition that it does not guarantee entry into all home grounds.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8284 - 03/05/2023 13:09:40    2475389

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Probably a question for another thread but there will likely be dead rubbers by the neutral venue round. Would they not have been better off have 3 groups of 5 with 2 home and 2 away games each.

Top 2 come out for each group + 2 best runners up from across all groups, giving 8 for a quarter final round. If you want to promote the game to kids we need local games.

Bit more cutting to it too than 16 teams down to 12. I can see the 3rd round being played in a lot of empty stadia. People won't travel unless there is something worthwhile at stake.

dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 353 - 03/05/2023 13:13:50    2475391

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Whats the " dublin season ticket holder argument"? Every other county has season ticket holders and they dont expect that to mean that they play so called neutral venue games at home."
Don't think it's an argument any more. The season ticket only guarantees you a ticket subject to availability. It has led to issues with Dublin season ticket holders not getting tickets to some games previously, such as away games at smaller venues in the old super six. Omagh was a prime example.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4734 - 03/05/2023 13:25:28    2475400

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Whats the " dublin season ticket holder argument"? Every other county has season ticket holders and they dont expect that to mean that they play so called neutral venue games at home."
It's that every season ticket holder is supposed to be able to buy a stand ticket for a championship match if they want to.

Means that if there are 5,000 season ticket holders (for example), you can't put the match in a venue with a stand that holds less than 5,000 people. Or realistically, less than probably 5,500 people, because certain others such as sponsors, Provincial Council and County Board officials, etc., would have to be accommodated there too.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 03/05/2023 13:28:58    2475402

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Whats the " dublin season ticket holder argument"? Every other county has season ticket holders and they dont expect that to mean that they play so called neutral venue games at home."
There is no "Dublin season ticket" argument. More invented nonsense.

Last I heard Dublin and Mayo had the most, which is was then 3,500. Which was the 2021 limit on the number any county could have.

The amount of stuff people make up to justify their hatred of Dublin is mind boggling at times.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 03/05/2023 13:29:13    2475403

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Replying To legendzxix:  "There should be a term and condition that it does not guarantee entry into all home grounds."
It is never going to be an issue in any ground that holds more than 6,000. Check it out. The actual facts i mean rather than the makey up stuff.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3118 - 03/05/2023 13:33:26    2475407

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Actually, this is interesting. There's a line in the T&Cs of season tickets that says:
There is a small number of venues where there is insufficient stand capacity to guarantee a seat.

That blows the "season ticket holder argument" out of the water, and Barney is actually correct that it doesn't exist at all.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 03/05/2023 13:39:32    2475411

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I think there just has to be a firm and rigid line in the sand drawn. If Dublin nominate Croke Park as their home venue for any game in a year (league/championship) Croke Park then cannot be considered a neutral venue for them for the remainder of that year. I understand having Croker used for Leinster finals, all Ireland semi finals and finals, but Dublin playing such a majority of their games there, their fans having to travel the least, familiarity etc.. undermines the integrity of the competitions they're in.

Sweetspot (Kildare) - Posts: 323 - 03/05/2023 14:16:02    2475420

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Sligo fans would prefer travelling to Dublin than travelling to Roscommon. Let's be honest, Dublin against Sligo will be a blow out so at least a day out for the supporters in Croke Park would be better than being hammered and been in Roscommon

muscles (Sligo) - Posts: 460 - 03/05/2023 14:29:15    2475425

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Replying To Sweetspot:  "I think there just has to be a firm and rigid line in the sand drawn. If Dublin nominate Croke Park as their home venue for any game in a year (league/championship) Croke Park then cannot be considered a neutral venue for them for the remainder of that year. I understand having Croker used for Leinster finals, all Ireland semi finals and finals, but Dublin playing such a majority of their games there, their fans having to travel the least, familiarity etc.. undermines the integrity of the competitions they're in."
I think that's a very common sense suggestion. If they choose themselves to nominate it as a home venue for one day, they can't expect it to then be declared a neutral venue on another day. Would be up to themselves to make the call on it, and they couldn't blame anybody else.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 03/05/2023 14:39:30    2475428

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Whats the " dublin season ticket holder argument"? Every other county has season ticket holders and they dont expect that to mean that they play so called neutral venue games at home."
Good point. I don't think the Dublin season ticket holders would be the main priority. Premium seat holders would be the main priority. Some people would reduce Croke Park to being little more than an ornament.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6144 - 03/05/2023 14:43:14    2475431

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Forgive my ignorance, and going slightly off topic.
If 3 teams get out of the group, what happens after?
I'd assumed that only 2 teams get out of the 4 groups, and there we have our quarter finals?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 03/05/2023 15:01:06    2475436

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