WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2187 - 29/02/2024 19:15:39    2528975

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 29/02/2024 20:28:07    2528978

I think the one thing people are forgetting here is population, the amount of Kerry clubs who's second teams have all but gone extinct, first teams struggling, you had urban league for every clubs second string every Friday night from April /May to August then junior champs (for clubs second string).

You could promote 2 or 4 clubs up to senior go to 12 but they won't have big squads, what's more important having Numbers the same as everyone else and a watered down championship or a competition that every side in actually has a chance of if winning.

If you go to 12 you'll be back to yoyo clubs swapping senior for interm every 2/3 years like before.

Then those weaker club teams draw East Kerry and get a 20 plus point hammering, nobody should be getting beaten by more than 4/5 points, all teams should be of equal standard and I think of that's the way the county board want to run it then so be it, at the end of the day, Sam is the only currency and strong divisional sides allow management to see players at another level again from their club (Junior/Intermediate).

I keep hearing East Kerry have a crazy pick, it's cyclical give it a few years and they'll be back to where 6 plus years ago.

People bemoaning the fact that Stacks & Rahillys went down, they simply were not good enough, haven't paid attention to their underage, we've always been senior we'll be fine, Mitchels was starring them in the face and they couldn't see it, Na Gaeil's success is absolutely killing them, fact is their population are moving out of the catchment areas and paying the price for it now, low and behold county board now putting parish rule and first registration back in the agenda when it suits the big boys while ignoring the plight of smaller clubs or contentious areas for years when they wanted something similar where parents could take the kids back to home club.

Nobody mentions the amount of Tyrone teams that make Intermediate & Junior finals, fact of the matter is, they have strong club scene, junior was always tough to win in Kerry it's harder now, but if you promote 4 up you'll still have the junior clubs getting to AI finals cause what people don't talk about is that the teams winning the club championships (intermediate & junior) are usually playing in Division 1 or 2 and playing higher caliber teams than they face in championship so that will always happen, some counties have league linked to championship.which is ludicrous, it doesn't foster a healthy will to want to win as you only move out of it if you win the championship, so the first actual test you could get is when you play provencial game.

Galway good example was 20 plus at one stage, reduced now and could go further again, I lived there played there, teams basically going out to stay senior, doing absolutely nothing for football but they are senior, and the county have big number of teams in senior championship.

Let's have a look and see how many of these would actually contribute to a senior championship if you could bring it down to 12.

Tuam, always senior, barren spell but coming good again, can always put a run together.
Milltown, fallen off the radar but can produce the odd display.
Annaghdown, meh, can talk a good game,
Caherlistrane, if ever a team needed to go down to get things going again, they still go around like they are kings, only thing they are good at the moment is probably bettering a junior Headford side.
Dunmore, finally got back up and actually made an impression under ex Corofin man Gary Delaney, one to watch I think.
Claregalway, these are going to explode and if they don't it'll be their own fault, massive population, big secondary school, facilities, it's all their for them.
Salthill knocknacarra, always there or there abouts.
MB-Moylough, the loudmouths of Galway football, always have something to say, strong club big area but pulling from a small playing pool,
Corofin, nothing to add here, their intermediate team if senior squad members actually played with them instead of warming the timber seats in Tuam Stadium for the senior squad would probably beat an awful lot of senior clubs.
Maigh Cuillin, massive population got it right, should keep it going
St. James, city club, flatter to deceive an awful lot of the time.
Oughterard, noisey, can't see them pushing for Q/F's.
St. Michaels, haven't done a things since making final 10 years ago, got relegated.
An Spideal, young side, won't make inroads in the championship.
Leitir mor, hanging on and just about last ten years, if nothing else it's impressive.
Bearna, another big population, flirting with playoffs & Q/F's haven't done an ounce in 10 years or so since they made a semi,
Killanin, like Bearna, always around but not really doing anything, the odd year there's a push, need to up it can you consider them senior, would they even have made an impression in intermediate along with 4 or 5 others, I doubt it.

For an 8 team championship Keep Corofin, MB-MM, Tuam, Maigh Cuillin, Salthill, then pick 3 from Bearna, Claregalway, Annaghdown, St. James, Dunmore, Monivea, Milltown or that's your 12 and you couldn't say any of the others would run away with the Intermediate if they went down.

So out of the above list, parachute them into Kerry how many bar the usual 4/5 strong clubs you have in most counties improves the value of the championship, zero is my answer, people can shout about 9th best team etc etc but Cork have 3 times as many clubs and have made a hames of their championship,

Teams that went down to massive fanfare at the time
Micheal Breathnach, aim was stay senior,
Carna Caisil, see above
An Ceathru Rua, went down after a few poor showings, will be hard to get back up, nearly went junior, population and rugby going to be an issue there.
Oranmore, insane population seem to have got the act together, need to get back up senior after what 20 plus years.
Killererin, less said about that shiteshow the better,
Caltra, massive decrease in population but coming again,
Cartoon, too good to go down was the cry, lost (threw away) semis and finals since.
Monivea Abbey, back up, will be decent but no more than that.


We can talk about low numbers etc. but the fact of the matter is and we could probably do it with loads of counties, numbers doesn't mean quality.
I've no interest getting into a I said you said debate here but I used Galway as I've a great gra for the county, the championship is good but could be on another kevel of the county board took thr difficult decision and relegated clubs ( lets not even get into the hurling champ. That's another level of crazy)

Roscommon championship of 12 with the introduction of 2 possibly 4 divisional sides is actually fairly competitive, Brigids, Boyle, Pearses out in front followed by Clann, Ros Gaels, Oran, Dominic's, etc.
Divisional sides hard to get off the ground in a county with only 27 clubs, where clubs second teams are winning the Junior championship for fun and going deep in the Intermediate championship, three championships of 12 teams and some want the Junior for 6 first teams only so that they can win something, I think that's more insane than the Cork set up. Fact is Kerry is in a healthy place, could be better but has the eyes of the country on it so will always get questioned.

Jesus I really segwayed from my initial post about population having an effect in Kerry.

TheDude23 (Roscommon) - Posts: 10 - 02/03/2024 01:13:08    2529158

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CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 04/03/2024 15:58:27    2529761

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 762 - 05/03/2024 19:45:29    2530000

May well have been asked on here already, but new to HS. Can't fathom how everywhere I go I meet a Kerry man spouting CLIFFORD is the Goat. What an insult to the gooch or Maurice fitz for example in your own county not to mention countless others in various other counties, d.connolly, Peter canavan etc. Potential to become the best no doubt but surely too early in his career to throw said tag about. What's the opinion in the kingdom? Genuinely curious

Gaeldownunder (Tyrone) - Posts: 1 - 17/04/2024 14:48:10    2538630

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 517 - 17/04/2024 14:55:37    2538632

As a Kerryman I dont like calling anyone the goat as the game has changes and times change.Players are fitter now than years ago.What I will say though is David Clifford is an exceptional talent and he is playing in an era imo thats harder now for forwards.Years ago it was man on man.Nowadays there are blanket defenses and David is nearly always double marked.He is a brilliant fielder ,can take on his man,is very strong and can score from near or far.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3844 - 17/04/2024 23:31:35    2538746

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 976 - 19/04/2024 15:41:29    2539071

Looking forward to going down to kilarney and seeing the greatest forward in modern times playing. Be nice to see some of the kerry players too!

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 199 - 16/05/2024 10:57:02    2545061

Kerry priming at the right time. With down a few players and older players past their peal should be the kerry men lifting Sam Maguire. Tom O'Sullivan best defender in game scoring a couple points every game.

LimerickForLiam24 (Limerick) - Posts: 143 - 28/06/2024 15:49:12    2555423

Gaa Fan (USA) - Posts: 762 - 28/06/2024 18:12:47    2555450