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Replying To Pikeman96: "Despite my better intentions, I'm back to make one further statement. A short one. I don't think anybody has ever argued here that Hawkeye is not flawed. Cleary there have been periodical issues with it, and well-documented ones at that. However, the issue is in regard to other things discussed in association with that, such as your absolute steadfast refusal to accept what the Rule Book says, how that applies to Hawkeye rulings if it deems the ball has passed directly over a post, and also your insistence that you're "right" in doing things wrong when you're umpiring. You've already shown umpteen times that you're incapable of separating these things in discussion, and you're doing it again here. Good day." I don't think Hawkeye is flawed Pikeman96. I think it can be improved on. Having worked on this technology for far more serious consequences than a score in a game since it started. Basic sensors that light and colour conversion effecting the accuracy to imaging that can detect a microscopic hair entry into the image. I would venture that Hawkeye has got many many more scores correct that the guys at the poles would and did get wrong. Perfection is a constant on going process. It is not of aborting it. I am sure glad the car manufacturers kept going from the days when the side of the road was littered with broke down vehicles. Let alone where we are going in the future. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2854 - 07/08/2024 21:42:34 2564199 Link
Replying To Canuck: "I don't think Hawkeye is flawed Pikeman96. I think it can be improved on. Having worked on this technology for far more serious consequences than a score in a game since it started. Basic sensors that light and colour conversion effecting the accuracy to imaging that can detect a microscopic hair entry into the image. I would venture that Hawkeye has got many many more scores correct that the guys at the poles would and did get wrong. Perfection is a constant on going process. It is not of aborting it. I am sure glad the car manufacturers kept going from the days when the side of the road was littered with broke down vehicles. Let alone where we are going in the future." Well there you go, blasting out of the water my statement that nobody has ever said Hawkeye is not flawed! :) Seriously though, I too believe that Hawkeye has gotten much more right than two lads in white coats at the bottom of the posts would have done. And that's despite the occasional issue with it. Whether or not you're happy to use the word 'flaw' in connection with those issues is up to yourself! Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2487 - 08/08/2024 10:06:53 2564225 Link
Replying To Pikeman96: "Well there you go, blasting out of the water my statement that nobody has ever said Hawkeye is not flawed! :) Seriously though, I too believe that Hawkeye has gotten much more right than two lads in white coats at the bottom of the posts would have done. And that's despite the occasional issue with it. Whether or not you're happy to use the word 'flaw' in connection with those issues is up to yourself!" Pikeman I was not lambasting your opinion on Hawkeye and believe that you see value in it. Just putting some prospective to it. On the other hand I think there are those who would abolish it for only being 99.9% accurate. The GAA spent a lot of money on the system and probably once going down the road it went were committed to it. There is better technology. Or a combination of it. . The cost of research and testing etc. maybe gives them headaches. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2854 - 08/08/2024 14:14:49 2564271 Link
Looked up the rules. It clearly says that a point is scored by the ball going between the uprights. If the intent was to call a score where the ball travelled in the area above the post in the same area as between, then the rule is worded wrong. However you can't say such a ball went between the post. Very simple really. It seems to me not too difficult to capture and retrieve the ball that is within the scoring area if you do not want technology doing it. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2854 - 09/08/2024 16:30:26 2564443 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Looked up the rules. It clearly says that a point is scored by the ball going between the uprights. If the intent was to call a score where the ball travelled in the area above the post in the same area as between, then the rule is worded wrong. However you can't say such a ball went between the post. Very simple really. It seems to me not too difficult to capture and retrieve the ball that is within the scoring area if you do not want technology doing it." Yeah, that was my point exactly about that rule. I'm sure the intention is that any ball passing between what would be two infinitely tall posts should be awarded a point. However, if it passes through that plane but at a greater height than posts which obviously can't be infinitely tall, then it hasn't passed between those posts. Was at a hurling match last weekend, and for the first time ever, I looked at things with this in mind. Of the 38 points scored, I'd say around half of them were so high that they wouldn't have been points at all if the rule was applied as it's actually written. Anyway, this is one where the spirit of the law should continue to apply, rather than the letter of it. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2487 - 09/08/2024 18:44:09 2564448 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Looked up the rules. It clearly says that a point is scored by the ball going between the uprights. If the intent was to call a score where the ball travelled in the area above the post in the same area as between, then the rule is worded wrong. However you can't say such a ball went between the post. Very simple really. It seems to me not too difficult to capture and retrieve the ball that is within the scoring area if you do not want technology doing it." Why not change the wording of the rule to.. " a point is awarded when the ball goes over the crossbar " .. simple…!!!! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2811 - 09/08/2024 22:07:17 2564476 Link
Replying To Canuck: "Looked up the rules. It clearly says that a point is scored by the ball going between the uprights. If the intent was to call a score where the ball travelled in the area above the post in the same area as between, then the rule is worded wrong. However you can't say such a ball went between the post. Very simple really. It seems to me not too difficult to capture and retrieve the ball that is within the scoring area if you do not want technology doing it." Why not change the wording of the rule to.. " a point is awarded when the ball goes over the crossbar " .. simple…!!!! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2811 - 09/08/2024 22:07:49 2564477 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Why not change the wording of the rule to.. " a point is awarded when the ball goes over the crossbar " .. simple…!!!!" That's a bit like New York, so good you said it twice. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2133 - 10/08/2024 11:35:45 2564521 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Why not change the wording of the rule to.. " a point is awarded when the ball goes over the crossbar " .. simple…!!!!" Wouldn't solve anything, because you'd still have to specify something about the ball also going between the posts. If the rule just said "over the crossbar", then using the logic that currently prevails, any shot more than seven feet high would be "over" the crossbar, even if didn't pass directly over it - i.e. if it was wide of the posts. To properly close things off, the rule would have to say something like "when the ball is played over the crossbar and between the posts, to include an virtual upright vertical extension of the posts". Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2487 - 10/08/2024 11:45:29 2564524 Link
What about all grounds outside croke park and thurles which don't have hawk eye??there have been many dodgy decisions down through the years for every county..I've no problem with technology being used,however I feel an official watching a screen and maybe getting onto ref to let him know that there might be something he hasn't seen would benefit the game..I'd also maybe think hawk eye should be introduced to an ulster ground and the same in Connaught..I'm truly amazed that it wasn't put in below in cork,the most modern stadium now available..it'll be worth watching club games over next few weeks and see how many incorrect decisions are made.. CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2335 - 10/08/2024 15:17:49 2564537 Link
Mistakes will be made, by referees, linesmen, managers, umpires, players, physios, subs, so what? Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1833 - 12/08/2024 14:48:43 2564775 Link
Replying To Claretandblue: "Mistakes will be made, by referees, linesmen, managers, umpires, players, physios, subs, so what?" So in your opinion Hawk Eye , costing a fortune should be allowed make the same mistakes … Strange ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2811 - 12/08/2024 21:21:08 2564839 Link
Replying To Canuck: "I don't think Hawkeye is flawed Pikeman96. I think it can be improved on. Having worked on this technology for far more serious consequences than a score in a game since it started. Basic sensors that light and colour conversion effecting the accuracy to imaging that can detect a microscopic hair entry into the image. I would venture that Hawkeye has got many many more scores correct that the guys at the poles would and did get wrong. Perfection is a constant on going process. It is not of aborting it. I am sure glad the car manufacturers kept going from the days when the side of the road was littered with broke down vehicles. Let alone where we are going in the future." Be careful with that sort of progressive talk, some lads on here still think things are marvellous just the way they are Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2054 - 13/08/2024 22:10:37 2565029 Link
Replying To Bon: "Be careful with that sort of progressive talk, some lads on here still think things are marvellous just the way they are" I hear you Bon but ask them to give up their present automobile for a 1965 morris minor that the starter sticks in and the auld dynamo brushes only last about a year. Them fellows that developed the alternator and electronic ignition should have left well enough alone. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2854 - 14/08/2024 01:30:09 2565034 Link
Replying To Canuck: "I hear you Bon but ask them to give up their present automobile for a 1965 morris minor that the starter sticks in and the auld dynamo brushes only last about a year. Them fellows that developed the alternator and electronic ignition should have left well enough alone." You couldn't beat the Morris Minor…. she would go over land or road … not like the tin foil electric excuses for cars nowadays… ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2811 - 14/08/2024 10:11:35 2565051 Link
Replying To Canuck: "I hear you Bon but ask them to give up their present automobile for a 1965 morris minor that the starter sticks in and the auld dynamo brushes only last about a year. Them fellows that developed the alternator and electronic ignition should have left well enough alone." You couldn't beat the Morris Minor…. she would go over land or road … not like the tin foil electric excuses for cars nowadays… ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2811 - 14/08/2024 10:14:28 2565054 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "You couldn't beat the Morris Minor…. she would go over land or road … not like the tin foil electric excuses for cars nowadays…" I had one and loved it but I'd think the chances of getting to my destination has increased drastically with what I drive today. Just like Hawkeye's chances of getting it right as opposed to an umpire looking up 30 ft in the sky wondering which side of the pole the ball went. With regards electric cars. Sure it was the same with them automobiles replaces the reliable horse and buggy. Them things were said to be dangerous and would never, never replace the horse who only needed a bit of hay and oats. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2854 - 15/08/2024 00:07:49 2565169 Link
Replying To Canuck: "I had one and loved it but I'd think the chances of getting to my destination has increased drastically with what I drive today. Just like Hawkeye's chances of getting it right as opposed to an umpire looking up 30 ft in the sky wondering which side of the pole the ball went. With regards electric cars. Sure it was the same with them automobiles replaces the reliable horse and buggy. Them things were said to be dangerous and would never, never replace the horse who only needed a bit of hay and oats." Unless the umpire is stone blind he should know which side of the post a ball went especially in football… Hawk Eye only required in hurling and it has made several errors there too….. ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2811 - 15/08/2024 19:21:42 2565327 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Unless the umpire is stone blind he should know which side of the post a ball went especially in football… Hawk Eye only required in hurling and it has made several errors there too….." In my live time of watching both codes for over 50 years I have seen as many in football as hurling. I don't know is it blindness. I doubt it. Distracted for a spit second probably. I tend to stand behind the goal and on one occasion in one half seen the great Eddie Kaher put three 21 yards free wide. Eddie would on purpose hit it so hard that no one could tell where it went. Because he was a prolific scorer he would get the call. The ball now in both codes travels even faster. I played football when a number five with a lace in it and got soggy wet and if kicked from any distance you could go a cup of tea before it got to the goal. Look I never said Hawkeye was perfect. So upwards and onwards to improving this technology or a better version and I am still not going back to old Morris Minor Let alone a horse and trap that I would have travelled in as a young child. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2854 - 16/08/2024 00:30:49 2565368 Link
Replying To Canuck: "I had one and loved it but I'd think the chances of getting to my destination has increased drastically with what I drive today. Just like Hawkeye's chances of getting it right as opposed to an umpire looking up 30 ft in the sky wondering which side of the pole the ball went. With regards electric cars. Sure it was the same with them automobiles replaces the reliable horse and buggy. Them things were said to be dangerous and would never, never replace the horse who only needed a bit of hay and oats." In Cavan the haven't replaced the horse and buggy and won't until the All Ireland Final is played in the Polo Grounds again. ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 340 - 16/08/2024 02:36:23 2565374 Link