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Replying To Kuga: "Where can tickets be purchased for the week end I do not see any on Westmeath website ? ." Tickets are available in the usual spot. https://www.universe.com/users/westmeath-gaa-KDL8BC
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 19 - 28/06/2024 00:06:56
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Fair play to county board regarding league finals. Fiver a head for single games, tenner for double headers and free programme containing team sheets for all finals. Entertaining game last night which was in the balance until late on. Looks like Kinnegad kept a few lads back who are playing Sunday. Hearing Lomans missing a good few because of a wedding.
BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts: 1134 - 29/06/2024 09:07:06
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Both games tomorrow will be very tight would not be surprised if both are draws
Kinnegad looked the best team in the league by miles their defensive record the best I have ever seen. Do they have enough talent up top to out score Lomans super inter county forward line. Will be a very tactical game I'm sure .
Caulry will go into div 2 final as favourites. Garrycastle results looked more impressive in the league with the only dropped points coming against Caulry which was a draw and the bridge in the last game when they had already topped the group. If Caulry are serious about contending in the senior championship they will need to dispatch Garrycastle with ease because at the end of the day they are only an intermediate team.
Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 419 - 29/06/2024 12:43:30
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Replying To BigSur: "Fair play to county board regarding league finals. Fiver a head for single games, tenner for double headers and free programme containing team sheets for all finals. Entertaining game last night which was in the balance until late on. Looks like Kinnegad kept a few lads back who are playing Sunday. Hearing Lomans missing a good few because of a wedding." Lomans are missing a raft of players tomorrow. Kgad should win easy
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 19 - 29/06/2024 14:33:01
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Replying To BigSur: "Fair play to county board regarding league finals. Fiver a head for single games, tenner for double headers and free programme containing team sheets for all finals. Entertaining game last night which was in the balance until late on. Looks like Kinnegad kept a few lads back who are playing Sunday. Hearing Lomans missing a good few because of a wedding." Sam and Danny Mc, Hes and Tooler all playing so d imagine Lomans will be too strong again for Kinnegad who have nothing up front without Fleming whose out injured for year
lakecounty90 (Westmeath) - Posts: 70 - 29/06/2024 19:34:56
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Lomans 2nds beating Killjcan 1.4 to 0. 1 as we speak
lakecounty90 (Westmeath) - Posts: 70 - 29/06/2024 19:37:18
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Replying To lakecounty90: "Lomans 2nds beating Killjcan 1.4 to 0. 1 as we speak" Lomans win 2.9 to 0.11. The Blues strength and depth is scary
lakecounty90 (Westmeath) - Posts: 70 - 29/06/2024 20:26:03
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Replying To lakecounty90: "Lomans win 2.9 to 0.11. The Blues strength and depth is scary" Lomans short a few on that team as well so great achievement. Killucan were awful though
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 19 - 29/06/2024 20:47:35
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Loman's kept Fola, Darragh O' Keefe and Conor Regan from tonight's team against Killucan to have them tomorrow night. To win with essentially 20 plus players not playing tonight against an established senior side is a fantastic achievement.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1581 - 29/06/2024 22:48:40
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Replying To lakecounty90: "Lomans win 2.9 to 0.11. The Blues strength and depth is scary" They have a large group of strong players at the moment, but it's not the first time that a club in the county have had teams in divisions 1 and 2, in fact Shamrocks are also in that position at the moment, albeit not as competitive as Lomans across the board, but Shamrocks arguably look like they have a better calibre of player coming through in the next couple of years. Lomans not near winning a minor or under 16 at the minute from looking at recent underage competitions, so when this cycle of senior players comes to its end the playing field will even out. That may not be too far off, there's plenty of players in this cycle with a lot of miles on the clock, they've won 7 of the last 11 seniors but these runs don't last forever, in the 90s with Shamrocks and then the 2000s with Garrycastle we thought that these teams would dominate indefinitely but this didn't happen.
CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 279 - 29/06/2024 23:56:01
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Replying To Claretandblue: "Loman's kept Fola, Darragh O' Keefe and Conor Regan from tonight's team against Killucan to have them tomorrow night. To win with essentially 20 plus players not playing tonight against an established senior side is a fantastic achievement." Killucan may be regarded as an established senior side but they've struggled to get out of division 3 league for a while, they're always short a number of players for the league with county hurling or other reasons. You could say that they're more of a championship team, but never really make that much of a mark there either. Other than an odd "scalp" here and there they are quite inconsistent and don't threaten the business end at all.
CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 279 - 30/06/2024 00:04:04
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Now the leagues are practically at an end, it's always interesting to take stock of where all contenders in the different grades appear to be with the championships just around the corner.
No surprise to see Lomans and Kinnegad in div 1 final and this has to be the early runner for a repeat in the championship final, they have been the 2 standout teams in the last 18 months. Shamrocks and Downs also with decent leagues and should secure the 2 quarter final spots from section b, but are a bit off the pace set by the other 2, the Downs a long way off what they were when winning in 2022. Caulry had a good run in div 2, bit of recent hype around them but not going to win a senior championship from there and a lot of ground to make up still. Tang and Athlone showed where they are with poor leagues and will drop to section b for next year. Malachys abysmal run in the league shows they're not near ready for senior football, granted they lose a good few hurlers for the league but they will be relegated straight away unless something drastic happens.
Milltownpass were the only intermediate side in div 1 and although relegated the exposure will stand to them later in the year. Garrycastle with a statement of intent topping div 2, and they could be stopping the rot and will be hoping to bounce back quickly. Milltown also had a great league and were unbelievably unlucky not to get promoted to div1, any other team that reached 14 points in the league made it to a final, and some got there with less. The intermediate is always the most open and competitive grade but I think the winner will come from this trio. Tubberclair could be a dark horse, a young team that's improving fast in the last couple of years. Multyfarnham were another team unlucky not to get promoted in the league with 13 points and that would have been a huge step for their development, I think they'll make the quarters with Rochfortbridge from section b and that will be as far as either team goes, winners definitely coming out of section a this year. Ballynacargy look a side in serious decline and will need to do something big to halt this after a whitewash and relegation from div 3 in the league. No intermediate team is currently playing below div 3 and their first round with kilbeggan could double as a relegation playoff for championship. They also appear to have very little coming through their underage which must be a concern, Inny Shamrocks sides are in the lower leagues which is a far cry from Ballynacargy underage teams of memory competing in the top division and winning titles. Rosemount and Castledaly always peak round championship time and capable of winning a game or 2 but don't see either in the running.
St Josephs are looking the strongest of the sole junior clubs after the league, almost getting promotion from div 3 to div 2, they only lost a couple of matches late on, promotion would have been a huge achievement for them. CFCW are well poised after winning div 5 without any apparent bother, and they've shown over the last couple of years that they are capable of winning games at intermediate level when they have their act together, they're a hard team to read. Bunbrosna to their credit have hung on in div 3 again for another year, with 2 wins and a walkover in their last 4 games, ironically scuppering Joseph's promotion in the last one, but they are an aging team on borrowed time and won't be in the running, and like the other half of their underage amalgamation don't have enough coming through. Ballycomoyles recent form of the last couple of years has deserted them, they also look like a team in decline after finishing bottom of div 5 and struggling to get any result, and are another junior club whose sides are really struggling at underage, it's a common theme with any of the clubs struggling in the other grades as well.
In the junior section with the second string teams, Lomans and Downs obviously going very well after winning divisions 3 and 4, Kinnegad also getting promoted from div 4. You could see a team from this section in the mix, particularly Lomans or Shamrocks second string who held their own in div 2, but ultimately these sides will lose players to senior as the competition progresses which usually scuppers them. I think the winner will come from CFCW, Josephs or a senior clubs second string, maybe Lomans or Downs best placed of them.
CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 279 - 30/06/2024 01:54:15
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Replying To CleanShoulder: "They have a large group of strong players at the moment, but it's not the first time that a club in the county have had teams in divisions 1 and 2, in fact Shamrocks are also in that position at the moment, albeit not as competitive as Lomans across the board, but Shamrocks arguably look like they have a better calibre of player coming through in the next couple of years. Lomans not near winning a minor or under 16 at the minute from looking at recent underage competitions, so when this cycle of senior players comes to its end the playing field will even out. That may not be too far off, there's plenty of players in this cycle with a lot of miles on the clock, they've won 7 of the last 11 seniors but these runs don't last forever, in the 90s with Shamrocks and then the 2000s with Garrycastle we thought that these teams would dominate indefinitely but this didn't happen." Lomans were in the under 17 final in 2021 and 2022. Lomans were in the under 15 final the last two years and in the under 13 final the last two years (winning the under 13 final). In fact in most ages they had two teams in the final. In fact the only underage team in Lomans last year that didn't get to a final was the under 17 team and even they won the division 1 shield. Shamrocks coming strong too with current minor group but not sure where you're getting some of them facts from. Lomans had ten under twenties on their team last night.
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 19 - 30/06/2024 09:58:40
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Replying To CleanShoulder: "Now the leagues are practically at an end, it's always interesting to take stock of where all contenders in the different grades appear to be with the championships just around the corner.
No surprise to see Lomans and Kinnegad in div 1 final and this has to be the early runner for a repeat in the championship final, they have been the 2 standout teams in the last 18 months. Shamrocks and Downs also with decent leagues and should secure the 2 quarter final spots from section b, but are a bit off the pace set by the other 2, the Downs a long way off what they were when winning in 2022. Caulry had a good run in div 2, bit of recent hype around them but not going to win a senior championship from there and a lot of ground to make up still. Tang and Athlone showed where they are with poor leagues and will drop to section b for next year. Malachys abysmal run in the league shows they're not near ready for senior football, granted they lose a good few hurlers for the league but they will be relegated straight away unless something drastic happens.
Milltownpass were the only intermediate side in div 1 and although relegated the exposure will stand to them later in the year. Garrycastle with a statement of intent topping div 2, and they could be stopping the rot and will be hoping to bounce back quickly. Milltown also had a great league and were unbelievably unlucky not to get promoted to div1, any other team that reached 14 points in the league made it to a final, and some got there with less. The intermediate is always the most open and competitive grade but I think the winner will come from this trio. Tubberclair could be a dark horse, a young team that's improving fast in the last couple of years. Multyfarnham were another team unlucky not to get promoted in the league with 13 points and that would have been a huge step for their development, I think they'll make the quarters with Rochfortbridge from section b and that will be as far as either team goes, winners definitely coming out of section a this year. Ballynacargy look a side in serious decline and will need to do something big to halt this after a whitewash and relegation from div 3 in the league. No intermediate team is currently playing below div 3 and their first round with kilbeggan could double as a relegation playoff for championship. They also appear to have very little coming through their underage which must be a concern, Inny Shamrocks sides are in the lower leagues which is a far cry from Ballynacargy underage teams of memory competing in the top division and winning titles. Rosemount and Castledaly always peak round championship time and capable of winning a game or 2 but don't see either in the running.
St Josephs are looking the strongest of the sole junior clubs after the league, almost getting promotion from div 3 to div 2, they only lost a couple of matches late on, promotion would have been a huge achievement for them. CFCW are well poised after winning div 5 without any apparent bother, and they've shown over the last couple of years that they are capable of winning games at intermediate level when they have their act together, they're a hard team to read. Bunbrosna to their credit have hung on in div 3 again for another year, with 2 wins and a walkover in their last 4 games, ironically scuppering Joseph's promotion in the last one, but they are an aging team on borrowed time and won't be in the running, and like the other half of their underage amalgamation don't have enough coming through. Ballycomoyles recent form of the last couple of years has deserted them, they also look like a team in decline after finishing bottom of div 5 and struggling to get any result, and are another junior club whose sides are really struggling at underage, it's a common theme with any of the clubs struggling in the other grades as well.
In the junior section with the second string teams, Lomans and Downs obviously going very well after winning divisions 3 and 4, Kinnegad also getting promoted from div 4. You could see a team from this section in the mix, particularly Lomans or Shamrocks second string who held their own in div 2, but ultimately these sides will lose players to senior as the competition progresses which usually scuppers them. I think the winner will come from CFCW, Josephs or a senior clubs second string, maybe Lomans or Downs best placed of them." St Joseph's weren't promoted from division 3, Lomans were and got promoted. To be fair though the rest of your analysis is fair for the most part
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 19 - 30/06/2024 10:01:28
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Division 1 final this evening looks like a closer affair than people think on paper with notable absentees for St. Lomans. Shane Dempsey, Tj Cox, Kevin Regan, Jack Geoghegan, Conor O' Donoghue, Darragh O'Keefe and Jason Daly won't feature, so this looks like a golden opportunity for Kinnegad to claim consecutive league titles.
However, Lomans do still have that star studded county quality top 8 with O'Toole, Heslin, Danny and Sam McCartan, and Peter Foy all looking like lining out in that area but it is notable that the Lomans defence will be considerably weaker this evening. A great chance for Kinnegad to go at Lomans.
That being said, seeing the strength in depth Lomans had playing in the division 3 final last night, I'm tipping them to get over the line with the experienced county players giving them the edge, but barely.
WmeathWarrior (Westmeath) - Posts: 2 - 30/06/2024 10:32:05
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Replying To Bluelake: "Lomans were in the under 17 final in 2021 and 2022. Lomans were in the under 15 final the last two years and in the under 13 final the last two years (winning the under 13 final). In fact in most ages they had two teams in the final. In fact the only underage team in Lomans last year that didn't get to a final was the under 17 team and even they won the division 1 shield. Shamrocks coming strong too with current minor group but not sure where you're getting some of them facts from. Lomans had ten under twenties on their team last night." Based on the fact they haven't won a minor in a good while and well off the pace of Shamrocks and Tubberclair at the moment, also I watched the under 16 league final a few weeks ago and well outclassed by Shandonagh. It may be a while again before they get their hands on a minor championship. Okay they've brought through some good young lads through to compete in division 3, not questioning that, but I was talking about senior championship winning standard in my post, how many can make that step up.
CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 279 - 30/06/2024 17:17:38
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Replying To Bluelake: "St Joseph's weren't promoted from division 3, Lomans were and got promoted. To be fair though the rest of your analysis is fair for the most part" I said they almost got promotion…
CleanShoulder (Westmeath) - Posts: 279 - 30/06/2024 17:20:17
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Replying To CleanShoulder: "Now the leagues are practically at an end, it's always interesting to take stock of where all contenders in the different grades appear to be with the championships just around the corner.
No surprise to see Lomans and Kinnegad in div 1 final and this has to be the early runner for a repeat in the championship final, they have been the 2 standout teams in the last 18 months. Shamrocks and Downs also with decent leagues and should secure the 2 quarter final spots from section b, but are a bit off the pace set by the other 2, the Downs a long way off what they were when winning in 2022. Caulry had a good run in div 2, bit of recent hype around them but not going to win a senior championship from there and a lot of ground to make up still. Tang and Athlone showed where they are with poor leagues and will drop to section b for next year. Malachys abysmal run in the league shows they're not near ready for senior football, granted they lose a good few hurlers for the league but they will be relegated straight away unless something drastic happens.
Milltownpass were the only intermediate side in div 1 and although relegated the exposure will stand to them later in the year. Garrycastle with a statement of intent topping div 2, and they could be stopping the rot and will be hoping to bounce back quickly. Milltown also had a great league and were unbelievably unlucky not to get promoted to div1, any other team that reached 14 points in the league made it to a final, and some got there with less. The intermediate is always the most open and competitive grade but I think the winner will come from this trio. Tubberclair could be a dark horse, a young team that's improving fast in the last couple of years. Multyfarnham were another team unlucky not to get promoted in the league with 13 points and that would have been a huge step for their development, I think they'll make the quarters with Rochfortbridge from section b and that will be as far as either team goes, winners definitely coming out of section a this year. Ballynacargy look a side in serious decline and will need to do something big to halt this after a whitewash and relegation from div 3 in the league. No intermediate team is currently playing below div 3 and their first round with kilbeggan could double as a relegation playoff for championship. They also appear to have very little coming through their underage which must be a concern, Inny Shamrocks sides are in the lower leagues which is a far cry from Ballynacargy underage teams of memory competing in the top division and winning titles. Rosemount and Castledaly always peak round championship time and capable of winning a game or 2 but don't see either in the running.
St Josephs are looking the strongest of the sole junior clubs after the league, almost getting promotion from div 3 to div 2, they only lost a couple of matches late on, promotion would have been a huge achievement for them. CFCW are well poised after winning div 5 without any apparent bother, and they've shown over the last couple of years that they are capable of winning games at intermediate level when they have their act together, they're a hard team to read. Bunbrosna to their credit have hung on in div 3 again for another year, with 2 wins and a walkover in their last 4 games, ironically scuppering Joseph's promotion in the last one, but they are an aging team on borrowed time and won't be in the running, and like the other half of their underage amalgamation don't have enough coming through. Ballycomoyles recent form of the last couple of years has deserted them, they also look like a team in decline after finishing bottom of div 5 and struggling to get any result, and are another junior club whose sides are really struggling at underage, it's a common theme with any of the clubs struggling in the other grades as well.
In the junior section with the second string teams, Lomans and Downs obviously going very well after winning divisions 3 and 4, Kinnegad also getting promoted from div 4. You could see a team from this section in the mix, particularly Lomans or Shamrocks second string who held their own in div 2, but ultimately these sides will lose players to senior as the competition progresses which usually scuppers them. I think the winner will come from CFCW, Josephs or a senior clubs second string, maybe Lomans or Downs best placed of them." Great post, lots of info and knowledge there.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1581 - 30/06/2024 17:54:20
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Replying To CleanShoulder: "Based on the fact they haven't won a minor in a good while and well off the pace of Shamrocks and Tubberclair at the moment, also I watched the under 16 league final a few weeks ago and well outclassed by Shandonagh. It may be a while again before they get their hands on a minor championship. Okay they've brought through some good young lads through to compete in division 3, not questioning that, but I was talking about senior championship winning standard in my post, how many can make that step up." No evidence that shamrocks will either bar Ormsby. Also a lot easier to introduce these lads when there isn't much in their way
Bluelake (Westmeath) - Posts: 19 - 30/06/2024 18:08:46
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Replying To lakecounty90: "Tang done brilliant to get out of the B last year. They wont be anywhere within an asses roar of winning Flanagan Im afraid. Anyway get league finals out of the way first.
Lomans havent won league title in five years, full complement of players and they will always beat Kinnegad. Division 2 is between two teams that appear to be heading in very different directions. Killucan shouldnt be in Division 3 and anything less than a win for them will be a surprise. Dont know alot about Division 4 but Id imagine the Downs second are stronger than Kinnegad
My predictions.
Div 1- Lomans to beat Kinnegad by 6
Div 2- Caulry to beat Garrycastle by 5
Div 3 - Killucan to beat Lomans by 2
Div 4 - The Downs" The two teams heading in very different directions was correct but think you got the teams mixed up!!!!!!! Seriously, Garrycastle minus John Gaffey, Mark McCallon, Eoin Monaghan and Tom O' Halloran were deserving winners, totally dominated the second half despite playing against the breeze, worrying defensively for Caulry, conceded 3-3 in second half and they were at full strength. Garrycastle looked impressive and the team to beat in the Intermediate championship, In the division 1 final a goal for the ages by Fola was the highlight, incredible finish, Loman's minus Jason Daly, Kevin Regan, Shane Dempsey, Darragh O' Keefe, Jack Geoghan and others deservedly beat a full strength Coralstown Kinnegad side, John Heslin was majestic at midfield with Danny McCartan and Sam McCartan also good. Kinnegad's defensive style is getting them to finals but not winning trophies. Great weekend for Loman's winning Division 1 and 3 league titles.
Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1581 - 30/06/2024 21:15:26
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