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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Are Derry about to descend into fiasco like we did in 2023 I wonder? Ever since RG departed things haven't looked right. Initially it appeared that Mickey Harte had them going up to another level after their 2024 NFL win over Dublin. But things went very pear shaped after that as we all know. The Glen lads look like they're aiming for another big push with the club so it could be the case that Derry will be playing catch up if they don't get a new management team in place fairly soon?"
To me the challenges in Derry highlight how hard it is to get managers. It's pretty much a full time gig for most of the year and that probably rules a lot people out. The scrutiny from supporters is very intense. Even on this forum people are very quick to run down the likes of declan Bonner and our underage managers so why would you bother. The Monaghan forum is similarly tough on their managers.

In Derry with all the minor success you would think their succession would be the manager but he struggled the last time he was there. The Derry players will also demand a high calibre manager. Whatever you think of Rory Gallagher he did a very good job turning Derry's fortunes around. It's basically really tough to find this dream manager everybody wants.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 780 - 15/10/2024 13:10:32    2575048

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Basically I would love to hear from the referee why he gave the penalty. It's at least the paying public deserve. I don't know if the referee was right or wrong but a bit of clarification would be good. As st eunans win it doesn't matter but if they lost it would have caused a lot of trouble. Eunans playing it down now but a decision like that towards the end of a county final could cost a lot of bitterness and rightly so if there was no evidence to back it up."
You are 100% right. To give a decision like that when the game was right in the melting pot was utter madness, he didn't even consult his umpires or linesmen either.

dgcrusader (Donegal) - Posts: 43 - 15/10/2024 13:43:19    2575059

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Replying To dgcrusader:  "You are 100% right. To give a decision like that when the game was right in the melting pot was utter madness, he didn't even consult his umpires or linesmen either."
The apple never falls far from the tree.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1036 - 15/10/2024 14:03:03    2575065

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yes especially after what happened in their last county final appearance when Shane O'Donnell was harshly sent off. It would be only human nature to begin speculating if there was some agenda against them. But you'd have to admire the way they very quickly parked it, and reeled off three quick points to win themselves the championship. Other teams could have panicked and lost the heads, handing the initiative to the other team completely."
Penalty was a strange decision alright, nobody seems to know what it was for except the ref,
I thought Gaoth Dobhair got the wrong end of the stick from the ref in the semi final but they never said a word about it.
Anyway good luck to Eunans now in Ulster.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3032 - 15/10/2024 14:36:55    2575075

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https://x.com/johnjazzharan/status/1845922264983687363?t=dkv7vNMGq_QALC2CJrsE2Q&s=09

This is John Harans tweet showing the penalty decision. There was pulling and dragging (i.e. a foul) taking place, and it was within the square. The debate seems to centre around whether the ball was in play. Most seem to be of the opinion that you can commit that foul as long as the ball isn't in play. I don't think you can. But either way it remains very very soft, and thankfully the result didn't swing on this decision.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 706 - 15/10/2024 14:41:20    2575080

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Replying To Ulsterchamps_32:  "To me the challenges in Derry highlight how hard it is to get managers. It's pretty much a full time gig for most of the year and that probably rules a lot people out. The scrutiny from supporters is very intense. Even on this forum people are very quick to run down the likes of declan Bonner and our underage managers so why would you bother. The Monaghan forum is similarly tough on their managers.

In Derry with all the minor success you would think their succession would be the manager but he struggled the last time he was there. The Derry players will also demand a high calibre manager. Whatever you think of Rory Gallagher he did a very good job turning Derry's fortunes around. It's basically really tough to find this dream manager everybody wants."
Yeah I saw Jarlath Burns has suggested that inter county managers be on contracts. We all know they are compensated already via expenses. It's very intentionally vague though. A very tough gig to take on in fairness.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9519 - 15/10/2024 14:54:53    2575085

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The 3 Teams going ahead to Ulster could give it a good rattle

Muff playing division 2 football all year with senior and intermediate teams should stand to them

Termon is a up and coming side with finally getting over the line in Intermediate could relax them and push on

If Eunans get out of Tyrone in the preliminary round they'll fancy anyone on their day

StandHogan51 (Donegal) - Posts: 11 - 15/10/2024 14:57:17    2575087

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Replying To SouthOfTheGap:  "https://x.com/johnjazzharan/status/1845922264983687363?t=dkv7vNMGq_QALC2CJrsE2Q&s=09

This is John Harans tweet showing the penalty decision. There was pulling and dragging (i.e. a foul) taking place, and it was within the square. The debate seems to centre around whether the ball was in play. Most seem to be of the opinion that you can commit that foul as long as the ball isn't in play. I don't think you can. But either way it remains very very soft, and thankfully the result didn't swing on this decision."
Normally a ref tells them to cut it out and they stop, and the free is then taken. This particular incident it almost looks as if the Dungloe player grabs the Eunans player but it isn't quite clear.

That goes on in every ground around the country and never have I seen a referee award a penalty for that while awaiting a free to be taken. They stop the free being taken and have a word, then continue.

donegalgael-12 (Donegal) - Posts: 11 - 15/10/2024 15:21:29    2575097

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Brilliant county final on Sunday. Dungloe were just magnificent in defense with their intensity.
Eunans definitely did not have it there on way and yes they got a fortuitous but they still had to be awake and ready whereas Dungloe weren't. The penalty was a bit of a joke and Im glad that we aren't sitting here today saying Dungloe are champions because of that.

As for ulster I think Eunans can do a job and hope they do but the only fear I have is what Eunans show up. If we are being honest Eunans won this championship by play two very good halves of football. The 1st half in glenties against NC and the 1st half in ballybofey against NC. If that Eunans show up they will do well otherwise they will come away from Tyrone with their tails between there legs. I suppose they are well used to that anyways.

naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 496 - 15/10/2024 15:45:47    2575106

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Basically I would love to hear from the referee why he gave the penalty. It's at least the paying public deserve. I don't know if the referee was right or wrong but a bit of clarification would be good. As st eunans win it doesn't matter but if they lost it would have caused a lot of trouble. Eunans playing it down now but a decision like that towards the end of a county final could cost a lot of bitterness and rightly so if there was no evidence to back it up."
I'm not sure what more evidence you need? The video is available. The referee deemed the obstruction a foul. Don't think it's fair on referees to be looking for clarification on every decision they make.

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 437 - 15/10/2024 18:11:13    2575129

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Strange call on the penalty alright, it gave Dungloe an unbelievable opportunity. If they were told it would be level with 5 minutes too go they would have bit your hand off. But Eunans experience showed through after that.

The county lads played well for Eunans but I also thought the Monaghan lad had a good game as well for them, he is well capable of chipping in with a few scores. I still think Eunans are too negative though and would love to see the shackles come off and go for it in Ulster. They have the forwards to cause real damage. I thought we might have seen it against Dungloe but in fairness to the Dungloe defence they stood tall.

FootballGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 258 - 15/10/2024 18:16:02    2575131

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "I'm not sure what more evidence you need? The video is available. The referee deemed the obstruction a foul. Don't think it's fair on referees to be looking for clarification on every decision they make."
Not asking for clarification on every decision. People would like to know especially as it's the last minute of a county final. Never seen the video so don't know the reason he gave and I'm sure you don't either.. maybe there was an obvious foul but like all the people around me nobody seems to have seen what happened .

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2563 - 15/10/2024 19:55:03    2575141

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Not asking for clarification on every decision. People would like to know especially as it's the last minute of a county final. Never seen the video so don't know the reason he gave and I'm sure you don't either.. maybe there was an obvious foul but like all the people around me nobody seems to have seen what happened ."
Why should it matter if its the last minute of a county final or the first minute. Fair play to the ref for having the courage to make a big call at that stage of the game.

greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 581 - 16/10/2024 09:48:57    2575210

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Replying To greenfan:  "Why should it matter if its the last minute of a county final or the first minute. Fair play to the ref for having the courage to make a big call at that stage of the game."
Can't really say fair play to the ref though can you? A completely wrong penalty call that almost won the game for Dungloe.

dgcrusader (Donegal) - Posts: 43 - 16/10/2024 11:09:35    2575232

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Replying To greenfan:  "Why should it matter if its the last minute of a county final or the first minute. Fair play to the ref for having the courage to make a big call at that stage of the game."
Courage you call it, don't know about that. If penalties are given for minor offences god help us down the line thell be penalties galore. Not questioning the ref by the way if he seen something he would be right to act but these so called coming together happen in every goal mouth when frees are given close to goals. It's gaa not basketball

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2563 - 16/10/2024 11:16:38    2575236

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You can't give a a free or penalty or free when the ball is not in play though.

Joke of a decision and as the Eunans camp have said it needs to be called out.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1036 - 16/10/2024 11:26:37    2575241

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Replying To dgcrusader:  "Can't really say fair play to the ref though can you? A completely wrong penalty call that almost won the game for Dungloe."
What was wrong with the penalty call? Did u see what happened ?

greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 581 - 16/10/2024 11:33:42    2575245

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "You can't give a a free or penalty or free when the ball is not in play though.

Joke of a decision and as the Eunans camp have said it needs to be called out."
Yeah I think this is right. By all means the ref is within his rights to go in and book a player who is pulling and dragging before the ball is in play.

But in this instance, the Dungloe player had the ball in his hand getting ready to take the free, but it definitely wasn't in play.

There would have been uproar and calls for a replay if Eunans hadn't gone on to win it I'd say.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9519 - 16/10/2024 11:47:31    2575256

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Replying To greenfan:  "What was wrong with the penalty call? Did u see what happened ?"
A foul cannot be awarded when the ball isn't in play, simple as that really.

dgcrusader (Donegal) - Posts: 43 - 16/10/2024 11:57:27    2575258

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Replying To dgcrusader:  "A foul cannot be awarded when the ball isn't in play, simple as that really."
It comes down what peoples interpretation of the ball being in play.

Is the ball in play once the referee blows his whistle or indicates that the ball is in play? Or does he have to wait for the ball to be physically played.

For example, if the freetaker takes too long, the referee throws the ball up. So yes, in that instance the ball is in play.

I don't know the right answer, I'm open to opinions.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 706 - 16/10/2024 13:48:44    2575293

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