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Yes Horan was doing fair warm up during games last week in Brewster, would think he be able for maybe a 10/15 minute sub role. We are limited in midfield options if any of the starters get knocks, so be good to have that option Sunday
macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1185 - 20/06/2025 11:53:02 2619437 Link 0 |
Talking silly again! No surprise there. I'd have to disagree on Horan being ready for any sort of game time this Sunday. Yes, he was doing some light warm-up drills in Brewster last week, but let's be realistic that's a far cry from being match-fit, especially for inter-county intensity. There's a big difference between going through the motions on the sideline and being physically and mentally prepared for the pace and physicality of a championship game, and this one is big and crucial one too!. Rushing him back for a 10-15 minute piece, especially when he hasn't had any real minutes under his belt in weeks, is too risky. We might be limited in midfield, sure, but plugging a hole with someone not fully ready could hurt us more than help. There's a balance to be struck between managing injuries and managing desperation, and in this case, I think caution is the wiser move.
TurnipHead. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 254 - 20/06/2025 13:36:18 2619463 Link 2 |
Disappointing end to the season. Will start by thanking all involved management, background team and players. It takes a lot of time and commitment involved. It is a lot easier to write and criticize but it is not us who have to train all year and play through injuries. ERNEDEVIL (Fermanagh) - Posts: 75 - 22/06/2025 23:42:39 2620060 Link 0 |
While paying respect to the Fermanagh team setup, I particularly want to acknowledge the unpaid players for the level of commitment required, training all year, juggling work or study and personal and social life, while sometimes suffering injuries, all often goes unnoticed and underappreciated. Having said all that, was it a disappointing end to the season? Absolutely, particularly that second half performance, yesterday. There's no glossing over that. During the game, where was the support upfront for Conor Love? What happen that we ended up with little resulting scores. Why was the 2nd half goal opportunity missed? And as for the many kickouts, well enough said! AuldGussie (Fermanagh) - Posts: 98 - 23/06/2025 09:47:36 2620124 Link 0 |
Was there some unpleasantries exchanged in the Fermanagh camp afterwards? Coa_gael (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1186 - 23/06/2025 10:01:51 2620136 Link 0 |
Hard luck to team and management yesterday. Just simply did not get going in the 2nd half at all, with all our big players either not performing to their highest level (which needed against a very good Kildare side) or were completely nullified. Bailah (Fermanagh) - Posts: 62 - 23/06/2025 18:59:48 2620487 Link 0 |
Did involve a seasoned player? If so, he has history of it!
The_Rat (Fermanagh) - Posts: 57 - 23/06/2025 19:44:41 2620492 Link 0 |
A disappointing end to the season with Sundays second half collapse, the saving grace is that Kildare didnt bring their shooting boots as easily could have been similar result to the 15 league defeat. macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1185 - 25/06/2025 18:34:32 2621061 Link 1 |
I rarely pen a comment, but having read your take on the game, the team players and manager, I must strongly disagree with the idea that Sunday's result amounts to a "disappointing end to the season." That's an overly harsh and narrow interpretation of a game, and indeed, a campaign, that showed both growth and glimpses of real progress. Let's look at the fuller picture. Yes, the second half against Kildare lacked bite and composure, but to call it a "collapse" doesn't reflect the reality on the pitch. The truth is that Fermanagh competed for long stretches and were still well in the game late into the second half. This wasn't some capitulation, we were within a score or two with 10-15 minutes to go, and small margins (the O'Brien free hitting the post, the missed pass to Cassidy) made the difference. Fine margins do not equal failure. Moreover, the suggestion that we were "lucky" Kildare didn't bring their shooting boots could be flipped entirely. It discounts the serious defensive effort that kept them from doing so. Cullen's block wasn't luck, it was commitment. The clean sheet early on was earned, not gifted. The criticism of the second-half decision-making and flatness ignores the conditions, yes, but more importantly, the reality of a young and still-developing squad coming up against a more physically imposing side. Yet we didn't fold. We weren't outclassed, we were out-muscled, occasionally out-thought, but not out-hearted. And that's the key point: this team has heart. Look at the positives: the rise of Love and McDade, the return of Flanagan, McGurn's injury-free run, and the leadership emerging in Cassidy and McDade. Those aren't scraps, they're serious foundations. This season was never about silverware, it was about building, and the building is very much underway. Also, dismissing hopes for next season because of possible retirements and underage struggles overlooks the clear pipeline of returnees, Jones, McShea, Bogue, Kelm, McGullion. These aren't just bodies, they're difference-makers. A fresh squad with a hardened core and a chip on its shoulder? That's a Division 3 contender, not a crisis. So no, this was not a disappointing end. It was a hard-earned lesson, yes, but one from which a tougher, unified, and talented Fermanagh team can emerge. And that's not just optimism, it's evidence-based faith in a project still in motion. Also, you say you didn't hear anything about unpleasantries and hope it's not true, but I can tell you otherwise. If the Coa Gael highlighted it, I'd take that seriously. He's rarely off the mark when it comes to what's going on behind the scenes, and he tends to be well-informed. Passion and frustration after a tough result are natural, yes, but let's not pretend everything was smooth just because it wasn't widely reported. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire, and in this case, I'd trust the source. Even the manager's future is framed with undue pessimism. I have to disagree on the idea that Donnelly staying requires a new backroom member to "keep it fresh" that implies things have gone stale, which frankly doesn't hold up. Under Donnelly, Fermanagh have shown measurable progress: developing younger players, holding their own in tough contests, and laying foundations for future success. The issue isn't freshness it's continuity. Chopping and changing for the sake of optics risks disrupting momentum, not building on it. As for the "no queue of potential replacements" line, that's a convenient narrative but also a defeatist one. Just because the options aren't obvious doesn't mean they don't exist. There are quality coaches, both within and just outside the county, who could bring value if ever needed. But suggesting Donnelly needs to freshen up his setup or face the suggestion of replacement paints a false dilemma. If he stays, and the squad clearly still responds to him, then he's earned the right to steer the ship his way, not with imposed changes. And let's not lean too heavily into doom-and-gloom about retirements. McCusker, Lyons, and the Cullen brothers have all given immense service, but every team goes through transitions. That's not a crisis, that's footballing life's reality. The emergence of McDade, Love, Flanagan, young Cassidy and others shows there's a next generation coming through. The conversation shouldn't be about who's leaving, it should be about who's stepping up. And under Donnelly, that process is already well underway. So, macca999, when you decide to pen an analysis of a game, the team, the management and the future, please do so more objectively and with sensitivity. Thank you. Jacob86 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 247 - 26/06/2025 10:08:45 2621150 Link 5 |
Brilliant post! Good to see an honest and positive comment about our county team and management rather than the slabbering that some engage in to undermine those who give so much!
cillnaile. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1008 - 26/06/2025 13:00:25 2621200 Link 1 |
I'm confused. Does macca want Donnelly to stay or not as one could interpret it either way. Maybe that's his intention, to sit on the fence. By the way I like your post Jacob. You should express your views more often. Wired2theMoon (Fermanagh) - Posts: 42 - 26/06/2025 22:37:45 2621385 Link 0 |
I rarely pen a comment here but after seeing a rant about how strong our management is I think it's time to state a few facts . jimmy1 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 13 - 28/06/2025 10:26:35 2621683 Link 0 |
Good man Jimmy, ye sound like me mate macca with the gloves off, and fair play to ye, yer dead right. Fermanagh not gettin outta div 3 again, like, that says it all. Beat longford, wexford and sligo sure, but we should be beatin them teams, no two ways about it. Anything less would've been a disaster. When the proper games came, antrim twice ands at home too, kildare, and even carlow, we just didn't show up. No point dressin it up. The kildare game was there for the takin, they weren't great at all, and we made a mess of it. The subs made no sense, and blamin the weather? jaysus, that was just desperate stuff. We beat offaly in lashin rain up in ederny, so that excuse dont wash. ands for Quigley, i'm 100% with ye on that. New rules suit a lad like him down to the ground. still the best forward in the county, no question. why he's not on the panel someone whos burstin with talent is beyond me. ok there's serious potential in this panel, don't get me wrong but sure what goods that if it's bein wasted? Time for a change in the management, plain and simple. And the underage setup? it's a shambles. that's where the real work needs to start or we're gonna be stuck in the same mess for years. no more excuses. time to fix it!!!
GalloonBaffoon (Fermanagh) - Posts: 121 - 01/07/2025 09:14:12 2622804 Link 0 |
Jimmy, while you have made some good points and questioned if it's sensible to keep someone who has faithe team which are valid, I honestly don't see how the Roslea man could be brought in again given what has happened in past or indeed if he really would be up for it. The_Rat (Fermanagh) - Posts: 57 - 01/07/2025 14:04:22 2622886 Link 0 |
Good to see some debate here about the county team. Jacob, good detailed post fully respect and value your opinion, as everyone on here entitled too and without them forums dont exist:-) On the second half must there would agree Fermanagh didnt get going and Kildares wastefulness helped keep Fermanagh in the game up until last 10 minutes. 100% Cullens block didnt involve any luck, his desire and ability mean that is part of his game, However certainly was luck in the effort for goal off the crossbar early on and in the wides and poor efforts from Kildare, who won miss such opportunities against Limerick if given them. We agree in that the team gave their all, no doubt about that plus the bright lights of the season are the prominence from Love and McDade, while Flanagan and a fit McGurn all were key. Ive no doubt that to end the campaign after the second half was disappointing for players, management and the supporters, there is no shame in that, its being honest and be something wrong if not as id be sure every player feels didnt perform near to their ability You seem to agree that their was unpleasantries after the game, in this case would you think that provides a strong platform for current management team to continue if things not smooth as you say? Its not pessimism on my part to ask the simple honest question regarding management, name a county manager who is over 4 year with team currently??? Yes only one, Kieran McGeeney, who has survived a few votes to hang in there even despite his legend status. There is reasons the longevity has declined rapidly for managers thats just the dynamic of intercounty management, the demands in terms of their time, huge sacrifices plus the high expectations of players/ county boards make it very difficult for a manager to stay within same set-up more than 3 years and hold the same motivation and get the same high commitment of the players. Look already how many have left within the last week alone! So that is why suggested that if decided to stay think new backroom team member might help in energise the set-up! Agree there is quality coaches within clubs around the county, can I ask you to maybe name or 2 two whom then you think be ready to take county job if became available? As always I try to support my opinions with rationale, based on championship to date, I anticipate division 3 next year to be stronger than division 3 was this year, with Down/Westmeath plus Limerick, thats an honest view. Certainly has been some progress from last year, the younger players have extra years experience, then hopefully can add a fit Kelm and Sean Cassidy, McShea, Callum Jones to that panel plus keep older lads involved and hopefully be in the promotion mix as squad wont be under the young learning bracket as much and be more required to build on the experience of last 2 years. In terms of new players to make impact in 2026, think Aogan Kelm and Kealan Fitzpatrick could progress to strengthen the attack. From Under 20s, Mattie McDermott maybe has potential going forward. Jimmy1, yes 100% we beat Offaly in torrential rain and well use to the showers in Fermanagh so wouldnt use that as excuse v Kildare, players used to playing in those conditions. Sean Quigley without doubt still best forward in county, be invaluable from frees and 2 pointers, the 3 up certainly makes it easier for him to be involved and not impact in defensive set-up as can stay up. At very least as an impact sub, although know he might not be happy for such a role. Look at the influence Michael Murphy has had on Donegal. However I would question the point about huge potential and I go back to the bigger picture here on the underage set-up in the county, how many years since had victory at either minor/under 20 in championship? Players then going from underage into an even tougher environment at senior, certainly is a huge challenge and bound to test confidence/belief There is no doubt Kieran Donnelly has had to oversee a rebuild and is trying to develop a team at senior level which is never easy but even more challenging when small numbers emerging through from younger county sides that are ready to make impact at senior level. If this worrying trend continues with Fermanagh underage teams then wont matter if Jim Gavins manager we will struggle to be successful at senior level, this needs reviewed as to why the gap between ourselves and other Ulster teams. St Michaels have helped backbone Fermanagh back they have also dipped more recently. Louth are a great example to us, their minor and under 20s going well, Gavin Devlin playing big part in their success. Obviously talent and development huge part of success but sadly there is no doubt resources and finances help too, quick example of the challenge we face to compete, our neighbours Donegal hosting breakfast event next Thursday at 8am in Letterkenny, which likely raise 25-30k in 2 hours towards their training fund. Just reinforces the challenges of smaller counties. Kieran is a true Fermanagh man and without doubt is in it for the right reasons, passion and want to improve his county, the fact he his given 4 years already demonstrates this and again no knee jerk reactions (like other managers) this week show the respect and regard he has for county and panel. As he said after the game, time to switch off and no doubt he has earned few weeks to relax and think about future before making decision, which im sure will be done before club championship starts Jacob, totally agree that change for sake of change doesnt work, especially when trying to build from low base level. Its okay saying want change also, there are many factors to consider in this decision. Does current manager still have players support? who would be realistic options to take county time in 2026? Finances available, im sure some managers come with huge £££ which we may not have(not sure be huge interest, alot of other counties also looking manager already and dont forget who nearly was appointed manager before Donnelly, Shane Curran, look how that cake crumbled in Carlow, lucky escape we had!!) So need to take stick of all these factors, currently within the county, Shane McDermott one that could think of, has done well with Irvinestown underage and developing senior time,might be bit early still,leader on pitch and certainly think down line be intercounty manager in waiting. Outside of county, Enda McGinley a great man, success with Errigal Ciaran and strong knowledge of them game who would like but not sure if be interested, has already had experience with Antrim. If the current management still has full support of the players, adds fresh blood to backroom team and county board hasnt a strong successor in mind then I would be happy to give Kieran another season to lead his county and try bring more progress. Cillnaile and Wired2theMoon, feel free to share your own views on whether current management should continue Good to see healthy debate, hopefully club championship unearths a few new players for 2026 macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1185 - 03/07/2025 16:43:26 2623478 Link 0 |