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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Checkout 'Brheney Beat' in today's Indo for the 'definitive Cork take' and season's ratings by team......only if you've your blood pressure meds taken though!!" I'll have a look now, I'm long past the point of doing much other than chuckling at his nonsense by now, I'd have to take him seriously as a journalist to allow him to raise my blood pressure :)
I imagine he will be playing the 'poor unlucky Cork' violin, and ranking us somewhere below Laois in the 'season's ratings'
I'm not expecting to learn anything or see anything new but hope springs eternal, as they say
Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 950 - 23/07/2025 11:23:47
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Well, that was certainly a collection of words that made no impact on me whatsoever, apart from his wish to not 'nail Pat Ryan or the players'. Which is fine if you're not going to be a hypocrite in the process.
I like how he refers to 'spoofery from planet punditry' though, that bit did make me smile, the total lack of self awareness of the man is something to behold.
Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 950 - 23/07/2025 13:17:57
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Replying To Stool Pigeon: "Well, that was certainly a collection of words that made no impact on me whatsoever, apart from his wish to not 'nail Pat Ryan or the players'. Which is fine if you're not going to be a hypocrite in the process.
I like how he refers to 'spoofery from planet punditry' though, that bit did make me smile, the total lack of self awareness of the man is something to behold." :-D
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 23/07/2025 18:38:41
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The women were excellent at the weekend, despite going in level at the break you never got the feeling that they were in any great danger of losing, defensively tigerish, rock solid throughout bar an unfortunate lapse for the goal (these things happen) and Ailish O'Reilly was a revelation, 0-5 from play and an absolutely wonderful stick pass to put Niamh Mallon through to goal. Was really taken by Higgins and Donohue's performances also but really everyone stepped up. Caoimhe Kelly in the inside line is just 18 and has enormous potential. 1-12 to 1-2 from play shows the real gap between the teams more than the 1-18 to 1-11 final score.
So far in 2025 Galway have won U16 and U23 All Ireland titles and have a shot at the big one the weekend after next.
The question is, what are Galway doing right in camogie, that we aren't doing right in hurling?
Obviously there's an element of apples and oranges in comparing the two but equally it would be worth studying/comparing the two to see if hurling can take any learnings from their camogie counterparts in terms of player development and progression.
The state we are in, in hurling terms, at the moment, should mean we take as many learnings from elsewhere as we can, and if that includes consultation with those responsible for the pathways/development in Galway camogie, it should surely be encouraged?
Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 950 - 28/07/2025 12:52:17
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Replying To Stool Pigeon: "The women were excellent at the weekend, despite going in level at the break you never got the feeling that they were in any great danger of losing, defensively tigerish, rock solid throughout bar an unfortunate lapse for the goal (these things happen) and Ailish O'Reilly was a revelation, 0-5 from play and an absolutely wonderful stick pass to put Niamh Mallon through to goal. Was really taken by Higgins and Donohue's performances also but really everyone stepped up. Caoimhe Kelly in the inside line is just 18 and has enormous potential. 1-12 to 1-2 from play shows the real gap between the teams more than the 1-18 to 1-11 final score.
So far in 2025 Galway have won U16 and U23 All Ireland titles and have a shot at the big one the weekend after next.
The question is, what are Galway doing right in camogie, that we aren't doing right in hurling?
Obviously there's an element of apples and oranges in comparing the two but equally it would be worth studying/comparing the two to see if hurling can take any learnings from their camogie counterparts in terms of player development and progression.
The state we are in, in hurling terms, at the moment, should mean we take as many learnings from elsewhere as we can, and if that includes consultation with those responsible for the pathways/development in Galway camogie, it should surely be encouraged?" Zero correlation. England lioness have back to back world cups yet their men?
CillTormoir (Galway) - Posts: 570 - 28/07/2025 15:14:20
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Replying To CillTormoir: "Zero correlation. England lioness have back to back world cups yet their men?" England women have never won a World Cup.
And their men's team isn't in the doldrums like the Galway hurlers are. It's not 2016 anymore. They are highly competitive in every competition they enter. Would that we could say the same about the Galway hurlers :)
I suspect if they were currently struggling, the FA would be looking at what the women were doing right and possibly trying to apply it to their men's underage sides if they thought it would give them an advantage or improve things in any way.
Happily for the FA, they are the current European U21 (men's) champions so they are obviously on the right path.
Are you saying there is nothing that Galway hurling can take from the approach taken by Galway camogie?
Both have to develop players from underage teams. The camogie sides appear to be able to do this in a way that the hurling sides don't/can't.
How and why is this the case?
Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 950 - 28/07/2025 21:43:19
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Replying To CillTormoir: "Zero correlation. England lioness have back to back world cups yet their men?" Who do you fancy to win the Junior A this year......I fancy Meelick-Eyrecourt for the Intermediate
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2676 - 28/07/2025 22:20:13
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Fixtures are out for the first round of the championship. The standout game (Turlough Clarinbridge) is on the Saturday evening in Athenry. Sarsfields Oranmore on the Friday evening in Athenry.
galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 944 - 29/07/2025 09:35:49
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Replying To Stool Pigeon: "England women have never won a World Cup.
And their men's team isn't in the doldrums like the Galway hurlers are. It's not 2016 anymore. They are highly competitive in every competition they enter. Would that we could say the same about the Galway hurlers :)
I suspect if they were currently struggling, the FA would be looking at what the women were doing right and possibly trying to apply it to their men's underage sides if they thought it would give them an advantage or improve things in any way.
Happily for the FA, they are the current European U21 (men's) champions so they are obviously on the right path.
Are you saying there is nothing that Galway hurling can take from the approach taken by Galway camogie?
Both have to develop players from underage teams. The camogie sides appear to be able to do this in a way that the hurling sides don't/can't.
How and why is this the case?" Everything is relative though. The level of competition in hurling and camogie is probably higher in hurling overall, especially in terms of resources and numbers involved in intercounty development and management.
The problem at men's intercounty level is not that you have to be better than you were last year, but that your progress has to exceed what the counties who were ahead of you achieve, plus make up the distance you were behind them by last year also. Not easy to make that big of a jump.
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Replying To galway19: "Fixtures are out for the first round of the championship. The standout game (Turlough Clarinbridge) is on the Saturday evening in Athenry. Sarsfields Oranmore on the Friday evening in Athenry." Oh yippee....the bread and butter of Galway Hurling can't wait!!
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2676 - 29/07/2025 18:32:04
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Championship starts next Friday, I'm going with Loughrea to make it 2 in 2.
Fire your predictions in lads
BigBàsMan (Galway) - Posts: 174 - 29/07/2025 19:51:13
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "Looking at the last three u20 campaigns, you'd certainly hope and pray that MD isn't the only one who doesn't know how to get 'the best out of the youth in Galway', and that we can number the last few u20/u21 management teams in that bracket too." Exactly my point, I dont think we are lacking talent at underage I think we are lacking excellence in coaching
BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 184 - 29/07/2025 22:20:29
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Replying To Stool Pigeon: "England women have never won a World Cup.
And their men's team isn't in the doldrums like the Galway hurlers are. It's not 2016 anymore. They are highly competitive in every competition they enter. Would that we could say the same about the Galway hurlers :)
I suspect if they were currently struggling, the FA would be looking at what the women were doing right and possibly trying to apply it to their men's underage sides if they thought it would give them an advantage or improve things in any way.
Happily for the FA, they are the current European U21 (men's) champions so they are obviously on the right path.
Are you saying there is nothing that Galway hurling can take from the approach taken by Galway camogie?
Both have to develop players from underage teams. The camogie sides appear to be able to do this in a way that the hurling sides don't/can't.
How and why is this the case?" The state of the Galway senior hurling team in 2025 in comparison to the Galway senior camogie team reminds me a lot of 2013.
In 2013 Galway hurling was at a very low ebb after being hammered 12 points by a good Dublin team in the Leinster final and beaten 6 points by Clare in the All Ireland quarter final. IIRC the general feeling was that the hurlers played without spirit without any belief, without pride and were lacking any kind of sense of themselves as as a team or any idea of what they were about. They manifested themselves as a collection of players (rather than a team) that were less than the sum of their parts.
The camogie team in 2013 on the other hand were the exact opposite. They played with tremendous spirit,great belief, had a never say die attitude, they were a close-knit group and the players seemed to be prepared to put everything on the line for the sake of the team. They had all the ingredients to be a successful team and they ended the season as All Ireland champions.
Hopefully history will repeat itself to that extent because the camogie team in 2025 seem to have all of those same qualities of the 2013 team and sadly the hurlers (admittedly probably with less talent now) seem to be infected now with much the same poverty of spirit, pride, passion,belief, and togetherness that was all too evidently lacking in 2013 (and 2014). The disconnect between the hurling team and the Galway hurling public was about the same then as it is now.
So you ask is there anything that Galway hurling can take from the approach taken by Galway camogie? Absolutely there is! Go out and leave everything on the field and if you do that you will have the support and the respect of everyone in the county. Maybe the men did that and just werent good enough but it wasnt terribly convincing. But regardless of the result on Sunday week the camogie team will get that support and respect by virtue of the way they have represented the county thus far this year.
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2062 - 29/07/2025 22:55:09
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First round
Senior A
Sarsfields v oranmore maree.... sarsfields by 2
Loughrea v kilconieron.... loughrea by 6
Gort v st Thomas's.... Thomas's by 4
Craughwell v killimordaly....draw
Moycullen v athreny..... athreny by 3
Cappataggle v Tommy larkins.... cappy by 2
Ardrahan v castlegar.... ardrahan by 1
Turloughmore v Clarinbridge....turlough by 3
Senior b
Ballinderreen v liam mellows.... mellows by 4
Padraig pearses v mullagh....mullagh by 5
Tynagh abbey duniry v kilnadeema letrim...letrim by 1
Ahrascragh fohenagh v portunma....af by 1
Intermediate
Kilbancanty v beagh.....beagh by 5
Skheana mountbellew moylough.s/m-m by 2
Annaghdown v kinvara.....kinvara by 6
Ballygar v Clarinbridge..... ballygar by 5
Turloughmore v rahoon Newcastle...rahoon by 4
Carnmore v killimor....killimor by 1
Athreny v meelick eyrecourt.....eyrecourt by 7
Craughwell v abbeyknockmoy.... abbey by 4
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "The state of the Galway senior hurling team in 2025 in comparison to the Galway senior camogie team reminds me a lot of 2013.
In 2013 Galway hurling was at a very low ebb after being hammered 12 points by a good Dublin team in the Leinster final and beaten 6 points by Clare in the All Ireland quarter final. IIRC the general feeling was that the hurlers played without spirit without any belief, without pride and were lacking any kind of sense of themselves as as a team or any idea of what they were about. They manifested themselves as a collection of players (rather than a team) that were less than the sum of their parts.
The camogie team in 2013 on the other hand were the exact opposite. They played with tremendous spirit,great belief, had a never say die attitude, they were a close-knit group and the players seemed to be prepared to put everything on the line for the sake of the team. They had all the ingredients to be a successful team and they ended the season as All Ireland champions.
Hopefully history will repeat itself to that extent because the camogie team in 2025 seem to have all of those same qualities of the 2013 team and sadly the hurlers (admittedly probably with less talent now) seem to be infected now with much the same poverty of spirit, pride, passion,belief, and togetherness that was all too evidently lacking in 2013 (and 2014). The disconnect between the hurling team and the Galway hurling public was about the same then as it is now.
So you ask is there anything that Galway hurling can take from the approach taken by Galway camogie? Absolutely there is! Go out and leave everything on the field and if you do that you will have the support and the respect of everyone in the county. Maybe the men did that and just werent good enough but it wasnt terribly convincing. But regardless of the result on Sunday week the camogie team will get that support and respect by virtue of the way they have represented the county thus far this year." The keywords here imo are 'admittedly probably with less talent now'.
The core of the 2013/2014 group had won NHL, Leinster and All-Ireland championships within 4 seasons of 2013. If the core of the current squad wins that by 2029, I think we'll all agree to eat our camogie sticks.
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Replying To Viking66: "Everything is relative though. The level of competition in hurling and camogie is probably higher in hurling overall, especially in terms of resources and numbers involved in intercounty development and management.
The problem at men's intercounty level is not that you have to be better than you were last year, but that your progress has to exceed what the counties who were ahead of you achieve, plus make up the distance you were behind them by last year also. Not easy to make that big of a jump." Agreed but equally we are clearly doing something right in terms of bringing players through in Camogie that we are not doing in hurling.
Progress for us now involves simply being better than this year, we're not in a position to be concerned about what others do, if Dublin, Kilkenny and Wexford for example all go backwards next year and we stand still, that's not actually improving.
We haven't time at this stage to be worrying what other counties do, we need to build our own house up first.
No point being interested in jumping when you're hardly able to walk, after all
Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 950 - 30/07/2025 10:33:34
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Replying To PoolSturgeon: "The state of the Galway senior hurling team in 2025 in comparison to the Galway senior camogie team reminds me a lot of 2013.
In 2013 Galway hurling was at a very low ebb after being hammered 12 points by a good Dublin team in the Leinster final and beaten 6 points by Clare in the All Ireland quarter final. IIRC the general feeling was that the hurlers played without spirit without any belief, without pride and were lacking any kind of sense of themselves as as a team or any idea of what they were about. They manifested themselves as a collection of players (rather than a team) that were less than the sum of their parts.
The camogie team in 2013 on the other hand were the exact opposite. They played with tremendous spirit,great belief, had a never say die attitude, they were a close-knit group and the players seemed to be prepared to put everything on the line for the sake of the team. They had all the ingredients to be a successful team and they ended the season as All Ireland champions.
Hopefully history will repeat itself to that extent because the camogie team in 2025 seem to have all of those same qualities of the 2013 team and sadly the hurlers (admittedly probably with less talent now) seem to be infected now with much the same poverty of spirit, pride, passion,belief, and togetherness that was all too evidently lacking in 2013 (and 2014). The disconnect between the hurling team and the Galway hurling public was about the same then as it is now.
So you ask is there anything that Galway hurling can take from the approach taken by Galway camogie? Absolutely there is! Go out and leave everything on the field and if you do that you will have the support and the respect of everyone in the county. Maybe the men did that and just werent good enough but it wasnt terribly convincing. But regardless of the result on Sunday week the camogie team will get that support and respect by virtue of the way they have represented the county thus far this year." To be clear I'm not talking about player attitudes or anything like that. We didn't come up short this year because of a lack of desire, it's far too simplistic to attribute it to that. The bigger problem IMO was the lack of structure.
It's the mechanics of the player pathway and the coaching structure that I'm curious about.
The camogie one clearly works as we are competitive but also younger players like Caoimhe Kelly (18) are included as they are good enough 'despite' age (won't be too long before Cara Giblin is involved, 3-2 from play v Cork in the U16 final this year, she's a machine)
Similarly Darragh McCarthy comes into the Tipp team as a teenager and gets handed the frees.
When did we give a teenager a debut in a championship game, or start them in a championship game of real consequence?
I may be missing someone obvious but nobody springs immediately to mind.
Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 950 - 30/07/2025 10:42:02
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "The keywords here imo are 'admittedly probably with less talent now'.
The core of the 2013/2014 group had won NHL, Leinster and All-Ireland championships within 4 seasons of 2013. If the core of the current squad wins that by 2029, I think we'll all agree to eat our camogie sticks." Who would you say are the core of your current squad currently?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16751 - 30/07/2025 11:12:39
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Replying To Viking66: "Who would you say are the core of your current squad currently?" In my opinion, the older players (most of them) are still the key core players. Daithi Burke, Cathal Mannion, and Whelan-who's shown poorish form in 2024 and 2025. David Burke and Padraic Mannion looking 'finished'. Of the younger crew Gavin Lee, Morrissey, Kevin Cooney and young Molloy might be the closest we had to a desired standard on occasion in 2025.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4357 - 30/07/2025 14:01:20
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Replying To Pope_Benedict: "In my opinion, the older players (most of them) are still the key core players. Daithi Burke, Cathal Mannion, and Whelan-who's shown poorish form in 2024 and 2025. David Burke and Padraic Mannion looking 'finished'. Of the younger crew Gavin Lee, Morrissey, Kevin Cooney and young Molloy might be the closest we had to a desired standard on occasion in 2025." I agree, but Gavin lee is not and will never be a centre back. Midfield or half forward line.
BigBàsMan (Galway) - Posts: 174 - 30/07/2025 14:23:29
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