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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "The British number plate system seems stupid to me, why start the new year reg's in March? our system at least makes sense, what's the story with reg numbers in the 6 counties?" They still have the old system we had pre 1988 that dates back to before partition. Geographic prefixes/suffixes. Wexford was MI or ZR, Fermanagh was IL and still is.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13407 - 25/09/2024 21:18:25
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Is it because of the tax year there I wonder?" No it was because of the Motor Show held in September when you could buy the next years models from dealers straight after the Show. I know it as the Earls Court Show as it was held there from the 30s til the 70s, the era of motorcycles I restore and repair for a living, although the 1st one was held in 1903 in the Crystal Palace.
So the model year in the UK runs from August/September to August, and in the years when the UK had year suffixes or prefixes, these ran from August/September to August also. So "A" prefix was Aug 83 to Aug 84.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13407 - 26/09/2024 07:28:40
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Replying To Viking66: "They still have the old system we had pre 1988 that dates back to before partition. Geographic prefixes/suffixes. Wexford was MI or ZR, Fermanagh was IL and still is." The republics old reg system was more interesting than the Brits, do you know the origan / reasoning of your MI and ZR
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2984 - 26/09/2024 08:24:12
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Replying To Viking66: "They still have the old system we had pre 1988 that dates back to before partition. Geographic prefixes/suffixes. Wexford was MI or ZR, Fermanagh was IL and still is." Did we miss a trick however on its introduction to use it as a method of promotion for our native language. Some counties would not have changed but it could have provided an ever day use of the language. LG - some would say people would then confuse it with Longford but that's the problem, until we have the language in everyday use, nothing will change. OK this would have been a drop in the ocean to what is needed but would have at least made a statement.
zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1870 - 26/09/2024 08:58:39
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Replying To supersub15: "The republics old reg system was more interesting than the Brits, do you know the origan / reasoning of your MI and ZR" Was the same system as the Brits had at that time from 1903. We got most of the Is and Zs. The Brits went away from the system maybe 20 years ago. The North is the last area still has it.
It was alphabetical here-
IA Antrim
IB Armagh
IC Carlow
IE Clare
IF Cork County
IH Donegal
IJ Down
IK Dublin County
IM Galway
IN Kerry
IO Kildare
IP Kilkenny
IR Offaly
IS Mayo after the IZs ran out
IT Leitrim
IU Limerick County
IV Limerick after IU ran out
IW Derry
IX Longford
IY Louth
IZ Mayo
AI Meath
BI Monaghan
CI Laois
DI Roscommon
EI Sligo
FI Tipp North
GI Tipp South after HI ran out
HI Tipp South
JI Tyrone
KI Waterford County
LI Westmeath
MI Wexford
NI Wicklow
OI Belfast
PI Cork City
RI Dublin City
SI Dublin City and County in the 80s
TI Limerick City
UI Derry City
WI Waterford City
XI Belfast
YI Dublin City
ZI Dublin City
Z Dublin County from the 20s
ZA Dublin City from the 30s
ZB Cork County from the 30s
ZC Dublin City late 30s
ZD Dublin City 40s approx
ZE Dublin County from late 30s
ZF Cork City approx 40s
ZH Dublin City late 40s
ZJ Dublin City early 50s
ZK Cork County
ZM Galway County
ZN Meath later
ZP Donegal later
ZR Wexford after MIs ran out.
All these were prefixes 1st with up to 4 numbers, then had an A, B, C .. Z put in front of them and ran through with just 3 numbers, then ran through again as suffixes.
All the English and Scottish and Welsh counties and boroughs etc had their own 2 digit identifier in the same sequence as ours. There was no way of knowing an exact year as such as they didn't change year on year, until the UK introduced the A prefix with County identifying suffix system in 1983.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13407 - 26/09/2024 09:40:01
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Replying To Viking66: "Was the same system as the Brits had at that time from 1903. We got most of the Is and Zs. The Brits went away from the system maybe 20 years ago. The North is the last area still has it.
It was alphabetical here-
IA Antrim
IB Armagh
IC Carlow
IE Clare
IF Cork County
IH Donegal
IJ Down
IK Dublin County
IM Galway
IN Kerry
IO Kildare
IP Kilkenny
IR Offaly
IS Mayo after the IZs ran out
IT Leitrim
IU Limerick County
IV Limerick after IU ran out
IW Derry
IX Longford
IY Louth
IZ Mayo
AI Meath
BI Monaghan
CI Laois
DI Roscommon
EI Sligo
FI Tipp North
GI Tipp South after HI ran out
HI Tipp South
JI Tyrone
KI Waterford County
LI Westmeath
MI Wexford
NI Wicklow
OI Belfast
PI Cork City
RI Dublin City
SI Dublin City and County in the 80s
TI Limerick City
UI Derry City
WI Waterford City
XI Belfast
YI Dublin City
ZI Dublin City
Z Dublin County from the 20s
ZA Dublin City from the 30s
ZB Cork County from the 30s
ZC Dublin City late 30s
ZD Dublin City 40s approx
ZE Dublin County from late 30s
ZF Cork City approx 40s
ZH Dublin City late 40s
ZJ Dublin City early 50s
ZK Cork County
ZM Galway County
ZN Meath later
ZP Donegal later
ZR Wexford after MIs ran out.
All these were prefixes 1st with up to 4 numbers, then had an A, B, C .. Z put in front of them and ran through with just 3 numbers, then ran through again as suffixes.
All the English and Scottish and Welsh counties and boroughs etc had their own 2 digit identifier in the same sequence as ours. There was no way of knowing an exact year as such as they didn't change year on year, until the UK introduced the A prefix with County identifying suffix system in 1983." Apparently the IP for Kilkenny is a reference to the gun powder store in 1798
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3055 - 26/09/2024 10:36:08
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Replying To Viking66: "Was the same system as the Brits had at that time from 1903. We got most of the Is and Zs. The Brits went away from the system maybe 20 years ago. The North is the last area still has it.
It was alphabetical here-
IA Antrim
IB Armagh
IC Carlow
IE Clare
IF Cork County
IH Donegal
IJ Down
IK Dublin County
IM Galway
IN Kerry
IO Kildare
IP Kilkenny
IR Offaly
IS Mayo after the IZs ran out
IT Leitrim
IU Limerick County
IV Limerick after IU ran out
IW Derry
IX Longford
IY Louth
IZ Mayo
AI Meath
BI Monaghan
CI Laois
DI Roscommon
EI Sligo
FI Tipp North
GI Tipp South after HI ran out
HI Tipp South
JI Tyrone
KI Waterford County
LI Westmeath
MI Wexford
NI Wicklow
OI Belfast
PI Cork City
RI Dublin City
SI Dublin City and County in the 80s
TI Limerick City
UI Derry City
WI Waterford City
XI Belfast
YI Dublin City
ZI Dublin City
Z Dublin County from the 20s
ZA Dublin City from the 30s
ZB Cork County from the 30s
ZC Dublin City late 30s
ZD Dublin City 40s approx
ZE Dublin County from late 30s
ZF Cork City approx 40s
ZH Dublin City late 40s
ZJ Dublin City early 50s
ZK Cork County
ZM Galway County
ZN Meath later
ZP Donegal later
ZR Wexford after MIs ran out.
All these were prefixes 1st with up to 4 numbers, then had an A, B, C .. Z put in front of them and ran through with just 3 numbers, then ran through again as suffixes.
All the English and Scottish and Welsh counties and boroughs etc had their own 2 digit identifier in the same sequence as ours. There was no way of knowing an exact year as such as they didn't change year on year, until the UK introduced the A prefix with County identifying suffix system in 1983." Thanks for the info, very interesting.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2984 - 26/09/2024 11:32:23
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Replying To Viking66: "Was the same system as the Brits had at that time from 1903. We got most of the Is and Zs. The Brits went away from the system maybe 20 years ago. The North is the last area still has it.
It was alphabetical here-
IA Antrim
IB Armagh
IC Carlow
IE Clare
IF Cork County
IH Donegal
IJ Down
IK Dublin County
IM Galway
IN Kerry
IO Kildare
IP Kilkenny
IR Offaly
IS Mayo after the IZs ran out
IT Leitrim
IU Limerick County
IV Limerick after IU ran out
IW Derry
IX Longford
IY Louth
IZ Mayo
AI Meath
BI Monaghan
CI Laois
DI Roscommon
EI Sligo
FI Tipp North
GI Tipp South after HI ran out
HI Tipp South
JI Tyrone
KI Waterford County
LI Westmeath
MI Wexford
NI Wicklow
OI Belfast
PI Cork City
RI Dublin City
SI Dublin City and County in the 80s
TI Limerick City
UI Derry City
WI Waterford City
XI Belfast
YI Dublin City
ZI Dublin City
Z Dublin County from the 20s
ZA Dublin City from the 30s
ZB Cork County from the 30s
ZC Dublin City late 30s
ZD Dublin City 40s approx
ZE Dublin County from late 30s
ZF Cork City approx 40s
ZH Dublin City late 40s
ZJ Dublin City early 50s
ZK Cork County
ZM Galway County
ZN Meath later
ZP Donegal later
ZR Wexford after MIs ran out.
All these were prefixes 1st with up to 4 numbers, then had an A, B, C .. Z put in front of them and ran through with just 3 numbers, then ran through again as suffixes.
All the English and Scottish and Welsh counties and boroughs etc had their own 2 digit identifier in the same sequence as ours. There was no way of knowing an exact year as such as they didn't change year on year, until the UK introduced the A prefix with County identifying suffix system in 1983." You missed out Cavan…. ID
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2811 - 26/09/2024 13:02:19
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Replying To Doylerwex: "Apparently the IP for Kilkenny is a reference to the gun powder store in 1798" :-D :-D :-D you know it's true Doyler;-)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13407 - 26/09/2024 13:05:44
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "You missed out Cavan…. ID" F### it sorry about that! I thought I was doing pretty well too!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13407 - 26/09/2024 13:07:13
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Replying To supersub15: "Thanks for the info, very interesting." Derry was in as Londonderry, hence is was out of sequence alphabetically.
In the UK they introduced a system marking the year in 1963.
Every August they changed the final letter. so a car with the Number MJD 239 D was 1966.
We started to introduce the year in 1987.
SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 323 - 26/09/2024 14:06:02
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Replying To SixtiesKid: "Derry was in as Londonderry, hence is was out of sequence alphabetically.
In the UK they introduced a system marking the year in 1963.
Every August they changed the final letter. so a car with the Number MJD 239 D was 1966.
We started to introduce the year in 1987." I'm not so sure if the Brits meant their reg system to be user-friendly and their personalised number plates today doesn't help either.
When ours was launched in '87 it made sense. The introduction of `241 and 242 for example was brought in to encourage people to change cars quicker, just a thought.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2984 - 26/09/2024 18:44:16
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Replying To Viking66: "F### it sorry about that! I thought I was doing pretty well too!" You did do very well…..
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2811 - 26/09/2024 20:31:50
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Replying To supersub15: "I'm not so sure if the Brits meant their reg system to be user-friendly and their personalised number plates today doesn't help either.
When ours was launched in '87 it made sense. The introduction of `241 and 242 for example was brought in to encourage people to change cars quicker, just a thought." That's exactly what it was for. New car sales were a good economic indicator and the plummeted between 08 and 13
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3055 - 27/09/2024 08:37:52
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Replying To Doylerwex: " Replying To supersub15: "I'm not so sure if the Brits meant their reg system to be user-friendly and their personalised number plates today doesn't help either.
When ours was launched in '87 it made sense. The introduction of `241 and 242 for example was brought in to encourage people to change cars quicker, just a thought." That's exactly what it was for. New car sales were a good economic indicator and the plummeted between 08 and 13"
Kew (Galway) - Posts: 88 - 28/09/2024 17:37:11
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