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Always difficult to get down to pace of football even after a totally one sided hurling match but football was interesting. Was not as open as the Railway Cup trials but some of changes are good, especially the tap and go frees, Like the fact that there is no extra time so that should address time wasting. I can see it producing some good games later in year where there are real prizes at stake. One other thing that struck me is that anyone who thought this was tailor made for old style big lad on the square is going to be disappointed, Rule actually benefits the team in possession with the goalkeeper as spare man. Enjoyable game and crowd was engaged. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3330 - 26/01/2025 10:27:38 2587597 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "The new rules were instigated and formulated by an anti Ulster cabal within the Free State media and Southern GAA. It was chiefly designed to hinder Ulster sides I have no doubt about this." god the brits are upset Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2904 - 26/01/2025 17:08:26 2587719 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "The new rules were instigated and formulated by an anti Ulster cabal within the Free State media and Southern GAA. It was chiefly designed to hinder Ulster sides I have no doubt about this." You should take that up with Malachi o rourke & Michael Murphy who helped come up with the rules so.. cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 165 - 26/01/2025 18:01:02 2587737 Link
Replying To Stmunnsriver: "god the brits are upset" You lot down there are Scandinavian. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9794 - 26/01/2025 18:07:54 2587741 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Where is it a big issue? There seems to be more people speaking up about provincial championships before league than there are about opposition to the league offering a qualifying route. Colm O'Rourke, Eamonn Fitzmaurice and Michael Murphy have spoken in favour of provincial championships before league." Having League and Provincial championships as an All Ireland qualifier gives little time to run a proper All Ireland. The games crying out for the top teams to meet more often in real competition. Like they do in hurling. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4381 - 26/01/2025 18:08:09 2587742 Link
Replying To Ulsterman: "The new rules were instigated and formulated by an anti Ulster cabal within the Free State media and Southern GAA. It was chiefly designed to hinder Ulster sides I have no doubt about this." Derry and Tyrone was great game. And Monaghan ran up huge score. Should suit teams like Tyrone with good fowards id have thought. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3330 - 26/01/2025 21:58:59 2587788 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Having League and Provincial championships as an All Ireland qualifier gives little time to run a proper All Ireland. The games crying out for the top teams to meet more often in real competition. Like they do in hurling." Kilkenny and Galway meeting opponents often in real competition? I'd be a traditionalist in favour of provincial championships but there has to be honesty that the provincial championships is a drop in standard from the league, especially with the lopsided open nature of it. There is a fair shout by those who want provincial championships first, then league and then All Ireland championship. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8447 - 27/01/2025 03:16:12 2587812 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Kilkenny and Galway meeting opponents often in real competition? I'd be a traditionalist in favour of provincial championships but there has to be honesty that the provincial championships is a drop in standard from the league, especially with the lopsided open nature of it. There is a fair shout by those who want provincial championships first, then league and then All Ireland championship." Both Galway and Kilkenny drop plenty of points in the Leinster championship. Kilkenny haven't won more than 3 times since Leinster went to 6 teams. Galway were eliminated from the All Ireland at the group stage last year. Teams with an outside chance of winning the All Ireland can fail to make it outside their group in each Province, there's not that same jeopardy at all in football. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4381 - 27/01/2025 14:18:37 2587925 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Where is it a big issue? There seems to be more people speaking up about provincial championships before league than there are about opposition to the league offering a qualifying route. Colm O'Rourke, Eamonn Fitzmaurice and Michael Murphy have spoken in favour of provincial championships before league." My issue with the league tie is that championship relegation comes from poor performance in the league rather than poor performance in the championship. The link also means there's no jeopardy around finishing bottom in a all Ireland group adding to the general malaise around the championship group stage. Seeding the first tiered championship from the league made sense. I'm not sure it makes sense now that the championship itself could be used. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 375 - 27/01/2025 14:59:22 2587941 Link
Leinster may not be same standard and unlikely this year again to produce AI but it is competitive. Any of Cats, Wexford, Dublin or Galway - and outside shot Antrim if Davy does get them motoring - have chance of final, top 3 or winning. I suspect - hope maybe! - that Lyng at some stage is going to have to wield the ax. That could work either way for them. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3330 - 27/01/2025 15:10:45 2587945 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "Both Galway and Kilkenny drop plenty of points in the Leinster championship. Kilkenny haven't won more than 3 times since Leinster went to 6 teams. Galway were eliminated from the All Ireland at the group stage last year. Teams with an outside chance of winning the All Ireland can fail to make it outside their group in each Province, there's not that same jeopardy at all in football." Offaly and Antrim value provincial championship status. They have a slim chance of winning a Leinster title. Connacht can't adopt a group stage because of Sligo's slim chance of winning Connacht? Any value in provincial status in a tiered provincial football structure? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8447 - 27/01/2025 15:22:50 2587952 Link
@Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4380 - 27/01/2025 In isolation, your jeopardy point would suggest football is even more concentrated - but as we all know - it's because there are too many AIC KO berths from the group stage. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3003 - 27/01/2025 15:29:02 2587954 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Kilkenny and Galway meeting opponents often in real competition? I'd be a traditionalist in favour of provincial championships but there has to be honesty that the provincial championships is a drop in standard from the league, especially with the lopsided open nature of it. There is a fair shout by those who want provincial championships first, then league and then All Ireland championship." OR, "a fair shout by those who want provincial championships AS PART OF the league and then All Ireland championship." Why did you stop counting? :) omahant (USA) - Posts: 3003 - 27/01/2025 15:34:31 2587956 Link
Replying To brianb: "My issue with the league tie is that championship relegation comes from poor performance in the league rather than poor performance in the championship. The link also means there's no jeopardy around finishing bottom in a all Ireland group adding to the general malaise around the championship group stage. Seeding the first tiered championship from the league made sense. I'm not sure it makes sense now that the championship itself could be used." Yes, I completely agree with this. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4381 - 27/01/2025 16:53:55 2587989 Link
Replying To omahant: "OR, "a fair shout by those who want provincial championships AS PART OF the league and then All Ireland championship." Why did you stop counting? :)" I'd prefer league placing as seeding for the provincial championships. You have some doubling up of league and provincial championship. Ironically if provincial councils used league for seeding provincial championships, they would be cementing league before provincial championship. The lopsided provincial championships is fuelling calls for provincial championships before league. Provincial championships are seen as a drop in standard from the league. League after provincial championship in the current format would mean knowing what league position provides qualification. While using league as seeding would still mean not knowing which league position offers qualification, there would at least be the fairness of a balanced draw. Clare would have Kerry or Cork on their side of the draw. Sligo would have Galway or Mayo on their side of the draw. Colm O'Rourke seemed more in favour of league after provincial championship than complaining about Sligo having a soft route to the All Ireland championship. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8447 - 28/01/2025 00:35:43 2588075 Link
@legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8444 - 28/01/2025 I like the idea of seeding the Prov draw. In my AILC, I get the 'mostly' less attractive Prelim & QF Rds out of the way early (1st half Feb) before Prov SFs are scheduled in Week 12 (end Apr in my AILC Calendar) and all 'potential' Prov Finals (4 possible combinations in each Prov) in Weeks 16 & 17 (2nd half May). The Provs would be played concurrently with and as part of the league, with Prov Champs known (although without an automatic Sam berth) prior to the league's conclusion in Week 20. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3003 - 28/01/2025 14:29:01 2588178 Link