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Replying To ORIELMAN85:  "Walter Mitty the tight Cavan gassoon. Has now a problem understanding Englush. He gets so frustrated reading posts, he replies to stuff I never mentioned. Though maybe I will now put basketball ahead of hurling as I have just returned from the Garden after watching à game of unbelievable skill between Boston and New York. Really makes hurling skills look a little mundane. At the atmosphere with 19,000+ in attendance compare with any of the Munster venues.. As for new football rules,I dont know if they have improved the game for the knowledgable fan but they have made it more like outdoor basketball. As for the new structure, if it does eventually come in it will be a one year wonderand then gone never to be heard of again."
Outdoor basketball without a shot clock though, which is where most of the boredom can set in imo. I'm sure traditionalists aren't at all pleasured either by these horrible 2or3 minute keepball routines to run down the end of game clock past the 'hooter'. Must have a sort of death row feel those last few minutes for losing fans, compared to the excitement of waiting for the final whistle back in the harum scarum days, when lads weren't drilled to death on the value and understanding of possession.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4141 - 13/05/2025 11:53:01    2609155

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Outdoor basketball without a shot clock though, which is where most of the boredom can set in imo. I'm sure traditionalists aren't at all pleasured either by these horrible 2or3 minute keepball routines to run down the end of game clock past the 'hooter'. Must have a sort of death row feel those last few minutes for losing fans, compared to the excitement of waiting for the final whistle back in the harum scarum days, when lads weren't drilled to death on the value and understanding of possession."
You are totally correct.. All these new rugger rules have totally diluted the game… 'tap and go'… kicking the ball out to end the game and passing the ball back outside the big circle for a rugger type drop at goal to gain 2 points and don't get me started on handing the ball back to your opponent who can then tap and go… run straight into you and away goes the referee with the ball under his arm for 50 meters…!!! I fully can understand that something had to be done to improve the total dross we had for years but this numpty FRC have gone way too far with their changes….less is always better as they say

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3863 - 13/05/2025 13:16:03    2609202

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Outdoor basketball without a shot clock though, which is where most of the boredom can set in imo. I'm sure traditionalists aren't at all pleasured either by these horrible 2or3 minute keepball routines to run down the end of game clock past the 'hooter'. Must have a sort of death row feel those last few minutes for losing fans, compared to the excitement of waiting for the final whistle back in the harum scarum days, when lads weren't drilled to death on the value and understanding of possession."
I don't know one person who has a problem with the new clock system . Not one player or coach. Why do we always care so much for the lads on the couch who are never happy anyway.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8388 - 13/05/2025 16:45:25    2609295

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Outdoor basketball without a shot clock though, which is where most of the boredom can set in imo. I'm sure traditionalists aren't at all pleasured either by these horrible 2or3 minute keepball routines to run down the end of game clock past the 'hooter'. Must have a sort of death row feel those last few minutes for losing fans, compared to the excitement of waiting for the final whistle back in the harum scarum days, when lads weren't drilled to death on the value and understanding of possession."
I don't agree. It makes for very exciting and tense finishes and it means everyone knows when the end is and it's not dependent on the whim of a referee. There is great skill and risk in maintaining possession like that and it's the job of the losing team to take the risk themselves and push up and press. Louth's final point on Sunday was a fine example of a team using a period of possession to engineer an excellent score.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 13/05/2025 18:43:29    2609332

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "You are totally correct.. All these new rugger rules have totally diluted the game… 'tap and go'… kicking the ball out to end the game and passing the ball back outside the big circle for a rugger type drop at goal to gain 2 points and don't get me started on handing the ball back to your opponent who can then tap and go… run straight into you and away goes the referee with the ball under his arm for 50 meters…!!! I fully can understand that something had to be done to improve the total dross we had for years but this numpty FRC have gone way too far with their changes….less is always better as they say"
I think the FRC has done an excellent job. The clampdown on dissent has been a great success and when you see how much dissent there now is in hurling, the same approach should be adopted there.

I am not a particular fan of the 2-point score but I think it's probably here to stay. But I strongly think the goal needs to go back to 4 points, as was originally planned, to maintain its relative value. It was an unnecessarily panicked move to change it back to 3 after the interprovincials.

I do think there's an argument for making the goal be worth 4 points in both football and hurling. The ease and speed with which long range points can be scored by the top players in hurling has devalued the worth of a goal. It might be better to do that simultaneously for both and avoid any confusion by having different values in the two sports.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 13/05/2025 18:45:32    2609334

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Replying To CeachtPeile:  "I think the FRC has done an excellent job. The clampdown on dissent has been a great success and when you see how much dissent there now is in hurling, the same approach should be adopted there.

I am not a particular fan of the 2-point score but I think it's probably here to stay. But I strongly think the goal needs to go back to 4 points, as was originally planned, to maintain its relative value. It was an unnecessarily panicked move to change it back to 3 after the interprovincials.

I do think there's an argument for making the goal be worth 4 points in both football and hurling. The ease and speed with which long range points can be scored by the top players in hurling has devalued the worth of a goal. It might be better to do that simultaneously for both and avoid any confusion by having different values in the two sports."
What has the 2 point rule brought to the game..? Nothing only now for people wanting goals worth 4 points… such utter nonsense… Revert to points been worth 1… and just leave the goals alone.. The nonsense about the goalkeeper getting a touch to the ball to reduce it to 1 point even if it was kicked from well outside the arc just makes a mockery of the whole thing… The FRC have not done an excellent job.. they went way over the top with half of these nonsensical rules…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3863 - 13/05/2025 22:27:08    2609392

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "What has the 2 point rule brought to the game..? Nothing only now for people wanting goals worth 4 points… such utter nonsense… Revert to points been worth 1… and just leave the goals alone.. The nonsense about the goalkeeper getting a touch to the ball to reduce it to 1 point even if it was kicked from well outside the arc just makes a mockery of the whole thing… The FRC have not done an excellent job.. they went way over the top with half of these nonsensical rules…"
I think the 2-point rule rightly or wrongly has now got significant support and will probably be retained. In that context, rebalancing the value of the scores by increasing a goal to 4 should become a priority. I do see the logic of why they introduced it as it forces teams to come out to defend. Long term it may have the downside that, like in basketball, too much of the play will be focused on defending the arc.

I think reducing the value of the score to 1 makes sense if it isn't scored cleanly. It's the same idea as exists in Aussie Rules whereby a 6-point goal has to go cleanly through. In fact, if it even touches a post then it's a 1-point behind. Football hasn't gone that far although that may have been the original intention before they clarified the wording. If it is going to be worth double then I think that it's fair enough that it has a special requirement about not being touched on the way and that the shot that results in the score has truly originated from outside the arc.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 138 - 14/05/2025 12:37:44    2609524

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Replying To CeachtPeile:  "I think the 2-point rule rightly or wrongly has now got significant support and will probably be retained. In that context, rebalancing the value of the scores by increasing a goal to 4 should become a priority. I do see the logic of why they introduced it as it forces teams to come out to defend. Long term it may have the downside that, like in basketball, too much of the play will be focused on defending the arc.

I think reducing the value of the score to 1 makes sense if it isn't scored cleanly. It's the same idea as exists in Aussie Rules whereby a 6-point goal has to go cleanly through. In fact, if it even touches a post then it's a 1-point behind. Football hasn't gone that far although that may have been the original intention before they clarified the wording. If it is going to be worth double then I think that it's fair enough that it has a special requirement about not being touched on the way and that the shot that results in the score has truly originated from outside the arc."
Wait until players are lifted up to try and get a touch to a possible 2 point winner and you will hear the complaints… another take from rugby so the FRC will be happy enough with it…. wait till you see all the players patrolling the arc when games really matter … it's happening already

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3863 - 14/05/2025 13:14:03    2609540

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "What has the 2 point rule brought to the game..? Nothing only now for people wanting goals worth 4 points… such utter nonsense… Revert to points been worth 1… and just leave the goals alone.. The nonsense about the goalkeeper getting a touch to the ball to reduce it to 1 point even if it was kicked from well outside the arc just makes a mockery of the whole thing… The FRC have not done an excellent job.. they went way over the top with half of these nonsensical rules…"
The rules are not perfect and there will be tweaks for next year but your OTT posts are embarrassing. Repetitive and embarrassing. Again you clearly have absolutely no involvement in the sport and you clearly don't go to club games or talk to those involved. You are in the minority with your ramblings.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8388 - 14/05/2025 13:39:35    2609550

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "What has the 2 point rule brought to the game..? Nothing only now for people wanting goals worth 4 points… such utter nonsense… Revert to points been worth 1… and just leave the goals alone.. The nonsense about the goalkeeper getting a touch to the ball to reduce it to 1 point even if it was kicked from well outside the arc just makes a mockery of the whole thing… The FRC have not done an excellent job.. they went way over the top with half of these nonsensical rules…"
I would disagree with you. The two point rule should stay but only where the point is from play outside the arc ( no frees ). Not to many in favour of 4 points for a goal.
If a kick from outside the arc is dropping short and the keeper tips it over the bar it shouldn't be a 2 pointer.
A lot of the new rules are good. 3 forwards and backs always inside a half has improved the game. The touch and solo after a foul and the hooter have also improved the game as well.

Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 494 - 14/05/2025 13:49:48    2609551

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "The rules are not perfect and there will be tweaks for next year but your OTT posts are embarrassing. Repetitive and embarrassing. Again you clearly have absolutely no involvement in the sport and you clearly don't go to club games or talk to those involved. You are in the minority with your ramblings."
You are the one rambling…. I have a lot more involvement than you ever had and I am in no way in the minority…. Every club game I'm at people are giving out about the ridiculous amount of new rules as it's almost impossible to even keep score in some matches… The rule about keeping 3 players up is a very good and welcome change and would have done an awful lot to improve what was a game in serious trouble….but some of the rest are just laughable … handing the ball back like a spoiled child and the tap and go is being totally exploited already with players heading straight for their nearest opponent to get the bonkers 50 meter advancement… and don't get me started on the 2 pointers… anyone with the semblance of a brain in their head or knowledge of the sport would quickly realise that it brings nothing to the game… And what have we now..? Clowns wanting the goal worth 4 points… Keeping the 3 players up and getting rid of the short kick outs was more than enough to vastly improve Gaelic football… and that's the view of every person with any knowledge of the game…!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3863 - 14/05/2025 18:21:13    2609658

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Replying To Scenicparish:  "I would disagree with you. The two point rule should stay but only where the point is from play outside the arc ( no frees ). Not to many in favour of 4 points for a goal.
If a kick from outside the arc is dropping short and the keeper tips it over the bar it shouldn't be a 2 pointer.
A lot of the new rules are good. 3 forwards and backs always inside a half has improved the game. The touch and solo after a foul and the hooter have also improved the game as well."
If the ball is kicked from outside the arc it should be awarded as 2points unless it is added to by a teammate… a goalkeeper touching it shouldn't make any difference as he was preventing a goal by touching it… It's another good reason for my absolute lack of belief in those ridiculous 2 pointers

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3863 - 14/05/2025 18:29:47    2609660

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