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That's an awful lot of games to squeeze into not many weekends.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14881 - 24/02/2025 18:06:58 2592986 Link 0 |
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So much for your view that the football championship was perfect and no changes would be made to the format or the playing rules…. that aged well… Thank goodness the top brass pay more heed to real football people like me and want rid of needless dead rubber games rather than a delusional fool like yourself…. Jog along now good lad..!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3498 - 24/02/2025 21:29:06 2593023 Link 0 |
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Unbeaten provincial winners should be kept apart in Round 2A. I've sent correspondence Croke Park's direction on the matter. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8539 - 25/02/2025 06:27:26 2593067 Link 0 |
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1 - Provincial championships being played in January/early February, and with no impact on the "real" championship later in the year, would become just another version of the O'Byrne Cup/McKenna Cup/etc. - i.e. very much a tertiary competition. 2 - Then you'd have 8 or 9 rounds of League Football (depending on if there were semi-finals & finals, or just finals), again with no direct impact on the championship, apart from maybe the first year if League positions were used to determine the top 12 for "Senior", next 12 for "Intermediate", etc. Very much a secondary competition. 3 - Followed by the "real" championship, where you could actually draw one & lose one of your group games but still go through, and still end up as All-Ireland champions if you happened to win your next three. Another fault is that four of the supposed top eight teams in the country would only get three "proper" & meaningful championship matches in the entire year, and two of the other four would only get four matches. If you're going to decouple the provincial & All-Ireland championships altogether, there are surely better ways to do it. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2703 - 25/02/2025 11:07:48 2593112 Link 0 |
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I hate to break it to you, but no one cares about the Leinster and Munster championships - not even those who win it every year (Kerry and Dublin). As for the league, everyone want to win promotion or stay in Div 1 - no one wants to win it - so why not give more counties the chance to win it. From 1998/99 to 2007 the league operated on a Div1A/B and Div 2A/B split - 13 different counties played in the div 1 final (including Wexford, Cavan and Laois) - compared to 7 counties between 2008 and 2024. As for championship - Lets call a spade a spade Ulster Antrim, Fermanagh - no hope of a provincial medal Armagh, Cavan, Derry, Donegal, Down, Monaghan, Tyrone. - all have a good chance of winning Connaught Leitrim, Sligo, London, New York - no hope of a provincial medal Galway, Mayo, Roscommon, Leinster Carlow, Kilkenny, Laois, Offaly, Longford, Louth, Meath, Westmeath, Wexford, Wicklow - no chance of a provincial medal Dublin, Kildare - have a chance this year (only) Munster Clare, Limerick, Tipperary, Waterford - no chance of a provincial medal Cork, Kerry - have a chance (being nice to Cork here) Who are the seven counties that played in div 1 league finals in the past 17 years - Galway, Mayo, Dublin, Kerry, Derry, Cork and Tyrone We have a championship structure with provincials stuck in the middle of it when only 12 counties have a chance of winning a provincial medal Of the 20 no hopers left, 14 have never won an all ireland (13 of those never will), 8 have never reached the final. When push comes to shove there are 3 tiers in football Tier 1 counties (12): Armagh, Cork, Derry, Donegal, Dublin, Galway, Kerry, Kildare, Mayo, Monaghan, Roscommon, Tyrone Tier 2 counties (12): Cavan, Clare, Down, Limerick, Longford, Louth, Meath, Offaly, Sligo, Tipperary, Westmeath, Fermanagh Tier 3 counties (9): Antrim, Carlow, Laois, Leitrim, London, New York, Waterford, Wexford, Wicklow Time to get a championship that reflect the reality of where we are - not based on history of ireland 600 odd years ago. The alternative is play the league (div 1a/b format) and use it as a ranking tool. Then have a Senior Championship consisting of an Ulster Championship (8 teams) and best of the rest championship (8 teams) (like hurling) to produce 4 teams each for the senior championship knock out rounds - The 16/17 teams left can either have a single tailteann cup like we have now - or an additional tier (not sure the bottom 8 counties even care about this themselves). tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1224 - 25/02/2025 11:56:38 2593125 Link 1 |
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@tirawleybaron - I'm in no way suggesting that the Leinster & Munster Football Championships are good competitions that people care deeply about. I'm simply pointing out that under your system, after a few years nobody would care too much about the other two provinces either, because they'd really just be warm-ups for the League, which itself would be just a warm-up for the "real" championship. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2703 - 25/02/2025 12:32:54 2593137 Link 0 |
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One drawback of moving away from groups is that the guarantee of a home game is gone. The Munster hurling championship works well with a group of 5. 2 home games each. Top 3 advance to the knockout stage. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8539 - 25/02/2025 12:44:52 2593140 Link 0 |
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@tirawleybaron if Kerry and Dublin don't care about Leinster and Munster then why don't they play 3rd string sides like they have done in the O'Byrne cup and give others the chance to winning a provincial title. Even though it was played behind closed doors Tipp certainly cared and celebrated their 2020 win. Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3536 - 25/02/2025 12:59:10 2593142 Link 0 |