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Most of the changes are now known
1. Extending the championship into August - not in 2025, but will go to Congress in 2025 to see if there is an appetite for an All Ireland on the August Bank Holiday.
2.Changes to the structure in Football - likely to be progressed to change round robin in football - likely to go to Congress in 2025, or potentially special congress in December.
3. Rule changes - more "sand box" tests in October with rules to go to a special congress before Christmas. Proposals will be as follows:
(a) - amend forward mark to automatic play on and must be caught in side the 20m line
(b) - GAA offside - Each team must keep 3 outfield players inside both their own 45 and the oppositions 45 m line at all times.
(d) - Goalkeeper to be kept inside own 45m line at all times
(e) - kick outs from a wide to be brought back to edge of small square
(f) - 2 point scoring Arc
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Replying To OpenStand: "That Club In Derry that had two players double marking a player in an Under 14 Final should be called in front of Jim Gavins working group to explain their cynical carry on so Jim can get behind the heads of these people destroying Gaelic Football before all selectors of that under 14 team are banned for 10 years" Maybe they should stop using a goalkeeper as well.....
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1979 - 30/08/2024 12:06:39
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Most of the changes are now known
1. Extending the championship into August - not in 2025, but will go to Congress in 2025 to see if there is an appetite for an All Ireland on the August Bank Holiday.
2.Changes to the structure in Football - likely to be progressed to change round robin in football - likely to go to Congress in 2025, or potentially special congress in December.
3. Rule changes - more "sand box" tests in October with rules to go to a special congress before Christmas. Proposals will be as follows:
(a) - amend forward mark to automatic play on and must be caught in side the 20m line
(b) - GAA offside - Each team must keep 3 outfield players inside both their own 45 and the oppositions 45 m line at all times.
(d) - Goalkeeper to be kept inside own 45m line at all times
(e) - kick outs from a wide to be brought back to edge of small square
(f) - 2 point scoring Arc" Plan is for item 2 and playing rules to go before a special Congress in November 2024!
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1979 - 30/08/2024 12:08:23
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Replying To brianb: "I agree that its not clear to "everyone" - the debate on here shows that. The fixtures mess that we had before wasn't fair on the club player and the split season fixes this. I believe a master fixtures list with an agreed overlap between club and county commitments would be a much better solution where you can get the best of both.
With Oasis taking up station in Croke Park next August its clear that the season is going to stay much as it is for another year at least. Perhaps county boards will be able to use that time better next year but I doubt it.
We are talking on this thread around declining attendances and the Football review. The review is happening because people have been voting with their feet and not getting out to matches in they way they did before. I believe the championship structure and the rush to play the games ASAP is really adding to this." I definitely have a big preference for the finals in September. The problem is the players both club and county campaigned for the change and it was conceded by the powers that be. I cannot see any reversal of the calendar being imposed on the players, they just wouldn't wear it. The only way I see any move back is if it is driven by the players themselves and I see no sign of that at present.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 803 - 30/08/2024 13:22:52
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Replying To sligo joe: "I definitely have a big preference for the finals in September. The problem is the players both club and county campaigned for the change and it was conceded by the powers that be. I cannot see any reversal of the calendar being imposed on the players, they just wouldn't wear it. The only way I see any move back is if it is driven by the players themselves and I see no sign of that at present." I think you're right there. I hope I'm wrong about the decline in interest being as much a part of the new structure of the season as the playing rules. Maybe the rule proposals that come will improve the game to pull the crowd back in.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 357 - 30/08/2024 16:06:19
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I definitely think the gaa need take proper look at fixtures in my opinion league should not start until 2nd week feb championship 2nd last week April I see the muster hurling fixtures out all ready by end may 2 top 7 teams in Ireland be out that 2 me is crazy stuff as for the continual changing the football format and rules makes no sense it's tome gaa put minor back to under 18 that to me woukd be progress but unfortunately GAA never want to admit they made a disaster decision to change it ,, the forward mark should be complete done away with not moving it forward get rid another stupid rule that was brough in , i
Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 30/08/2024 16:11:20
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While I'm enjoying the Mayo club championships, this weekend the nation should be gripped by the second football semi final. I feel we've lost something. It's all over in a flash now. The GAA is about more than the actual games…it's the build up, the anticipation. This was our prime time to showcase our national games.
Croke Park is full four times this weekend but it's for Coldplay. It should be full of hurling and football fans.
I get the split season but as someone involved in club football I don't see any benefit where by the season has been shortened for club players. Club players are sitting around all summer playing league or secondary cup competitions.
A major rethink is needed.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11418 - 31/08/2024 10:18:01
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Replying To yew_tree: "While I'm enjoying the Mayo club championships, this weekend the nation should be gripped by the second football semi final. I feel we've lost something. It's all over in a flash now. The GAA is about more than the actual games…it's the build up, the anticipation. This was our prime time to showcase our national games.
Croke Park is full four times this weekend but it's for Coldplay. It should be full of hurling and football fans.
I get the split season but as someone involved in club football I don't see any benefit where by the season has been shortened for club players. Club players are sitting around all summer playing league or secondary cup competitions.
A major rethink is needed." Such as......??
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1979 - 31/08/2024 14:19:13
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Replying To yew_tree: "While I'm enjoying the Mayo club championships, this weekend the nation should be gripped by the second football semi final. I feel we've lost something. It's all over in a flash now. The GAA is about more than the actual games…it's the build up, the anticipation. This was our prime time to showcase our national games.
Croke Park is full four times this weekend but it's for Coldplay. It should be full of hurling and football fans.
I get the split season but as someone involved in club football I don't see any benefit where by the season has been shortened for club players. Club players are sitting around all summer playing league or secondary cup competitions.
A major rethink is needed." Talk to the players. They prefer it the way it is and that's the important part.
Hopefully loads of them are gone to the Coldplay concerts and enjoying them now that they are able to plan their lives better with the improved calendar.
Previously it took us 4 weeks to play all the all Ireland semis. Playing each the same weekend makes it a better celebration of football.
Rockshorecider (Longford) - Posts: 53 - 31/08/2024 14:27:24
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Replying To yew_tree: "While I'm enjoying the Mayo club championships, this weekend the nation should be gripped by the second football semi final. I feel we've lost something. It's all over in a flash now. The GAA is about more than the actual games…it's the build up, the anticipation. This was our prime time to showcase our national games.
Croke Park is full four times this weekend but it's for Coldplay. It should be full of hurling and football fans.
I get the split season but as someone involved in club football I don't see any benefit where by the season has been shortened for club players. Club players are sitting around all summer playing league or secondary cup competitions.
A major rethink is needed." Croke Park was full twice from January to August. And just who do you need to showcase our games to. Our clubs do a very fine job of showcasing them. As regards your comment that club players sat around to the end of July.......with your system they would sit to the end of September. People need to realise the most important stakeholders ie. the players want a split season,so get used to it. It is here to stay. Less of the whinging.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 391 - 31/08/2024 16:05:36
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Replying To Rockshorecider: "Talk to the players. They prefer it the way it is and that's the important part.
Hopefully loads of them are gone to the Coldplay concerts and enjoying them now that they are able to plan their lives better with the improved calendar.
Previously it took us 4 weeks to play all the all Ireland semis. Playing each the same weekend makes it a better celebration of football." Hurling might have been a celebration but the football was more akin to watching paint dry….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 31/08/2024 16:24:33
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Replying To Rockshorecider: "Talk to the players. They prefer it the way it is and that's the important part.
Hopefully loads of them are gone to the Coldplay concerts and enjoying them now that they are able to plan their lives better with the improved calendar.
Previously it took us 4 weeks to play all the all Ireland semis. Playing each the same weekend makes it a better celebration of football." Hurling might have been a celebration but the football was more akin to watching paint dry….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 31/08/2024 16:33:07
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Hurling might have been a celebration but the football was more akin to watching paint dry…." Yes of course. These would've been much more enjoyable if they were staggered a week apart.
Rockshorecider (Longford) - Posts: 53 - 01/09/2024 00:09:42
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Finally a sensible article from a journalist.
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https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0829/1467346-split-season-means-best-of-gaa-is-happening-at-moment/
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 391 - 01/09/2024 10:31:20
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Replying To Rockshorecider: "Yes of course. These would've been much more enjoyable if they were staggered a week apart." Well playing them together wasn't much of a celebration….more like two days sleep
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3057 - 01/09/2024 10:40:02
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Replying To ORIELMAN85: "Finally a sensible article from a journalist.
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https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0829/1467346-split-season-means-best-of-gaa-is-happening-at-moment/" That's an excellent piece - fair and balanced - a good defence of the split season, while highlighting the cramped nature of the inter-county match schedule. A modest tweak to mid-August AIC Finals seems like a change most could agree with.
I suggested a 12-match regular season, encompassing both the league and "doubled up" Provincial SFC results into the 12-match set leading into a short concluding AIC Series, as a means of streamlining the season. The 12 matches compares well with the current 11-15 match count - League (7 or 8), Province (1 to 4) and Group Stage (3).
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2908 - 01/09/2024 18:53:39
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Anyone still debating the split season is an armchair fan with no involvement in playing or coaching. Or a journalist or pundit who is losing out.
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8174 - 01/09/2024 19:13:51
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Replying To omahant: "That's an excellent piece - fair and balanced - a good defence of the split season, while highlighting the cramped nature of the inter-county match schedule. A modest tweak to mid-August AIC Finals seems like a change most could agree with.
I suggested a 12-match regular season, encompassing both the league and "doubled up" Provincial SFC results into the 12-match set leading into a short concluding AIC Series, as a means of streamlining the season. The 12 matches compares well with the current 11-15 match count - League (7 or 8), Province (1 to 4) and Group Stage (3)." There is not going to be much change to the championship structures in the short term.
A tweak to the round robin maybe.
The provincial championships are the problem and won't be fixed until Munster and Leinster amalgamate and have and A and B championship (Dublin, Kerry, Cork, Louth, Meath and Westmeath for next year) and the rest into Leinster/Munster B competition.
In order to give more space to the championship, it would be better to take the pressure off the league and reduce the number of games there.
Div 1A (6 teams), 1B(6), 2A(5), 2B(5), 3A(5), 3B(5)
Div 1 final, Div 2&3 (semis, final) - div 2 has relegation playoff
Use league to seed provincial draws
5-6 league matchs 1-3, provincial matches, 3-5 all Ireland/ tailteann matches
14 matches in 22 weeks
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 01/09/2024 21:13:15
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Replying To yew_tree: "While I'm enjoying the Mayo club championships, this weekend the nation should be gripped by the second football semi final. I feel we've lost something. It's all over in a flash now. The GAA is about more than the actual games…it's the build up, the anticipation. This was our prime time to showcase our national games.
Croke Park is full four times this weekend but it's for Coldplay. It should be full of hurling and football fans.
I get the split season but as someone involved in club football I don't see any benefit where by the season has been shortened for club players. Club players are sitting around all summer playing league or secondary cup competitions.
A major rethink is needed." I really can't see the players the new split season are protecting. County players were flogged with games week in week out and in Tyrone anyway club players were flogged playing 15 matches in as many weeks finishing off with double fixtures 3 weeks in a row. Surly an extra month for the championship isn't a big ask. The build up to finals used to be brilliant for the youth at school, now some are away on holidays when the finals are on. Split season yes but give countries an extra couple of weeks.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2152 - 01/09/2024 22:56:51
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Replying To OpenStand: "That Club In Derry that had two players double marking a player in an Under 14 Final should be called in front of Jim Gavins working group to explain their cynical carry on so Jim can get behind the heads of these people destroying Gaelic Football before all selectors of that under 14 team are banned for 10 years" If number 14 spends his time getting as far from the play as possible it frees up a player on his team. The other team will soon quit their antics.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2152 - 01/09/2024 23:04:34
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