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Replying To Whammo86: "I think you have to just treat the All Ireland as its own thing and the Ulster championship something pretty separate. At least all teams start on a level playing field and the Ulster teams haven't had to win the Province to qualify.
The only real way of giving credit to winning Ulster champions would be to do Omahants doubling up of fixtures." Yes, and then non-Ulster teams meet the likes of Donegal, Armagh, Tyrone etc as well to compare results - so the best teams higher in the league table qualify for the AIC concluding series based on merit - a level playing field.
The table toppers could earn the League title too, akin to the AFL's "Minor Premiership".
As subset competitions, Ulster Champs could cherish their title, while Dublin could dismiss theirs (if they wish). It can be in the "eye of the beholder".
I thought about this as Ireland rugby raised the Triple Crown plate last Saturday. They seemed to genuinely cherish it, despite the ultimate Grand Slam prize still outstanding, unfinished business.
England also enjoyed getting the Calcutta Cup back and preventing a first Scot 5-in-a-row (what an ugly teapot!).
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3105 - 26/02/2025 21:10:41
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Break for Ramadan next rule change.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2258 - 02/03/2025 18:10:26
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Replying To Saynothing: "Break for Ramadan next rule change." It's not one bit surprising being from Tyrone that you constantly give out re rule changes, the county that has done its best to squeeze the life out of Gaelic football, as a longtime Gaelic supporter who had given up hope on the game, I think the rule changes have been fantastic, delighted to be back watching football, let's hope the likes of your own county get back to playing the rules and playing the ball and not the man!!
MONMAD (Monaghan) - Posts: 15 - 02/03/2025 23:04:44
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The game is much more enjoyable with the new rules.
Lets not kid ourselves, refs will make mistakes the same as they did under the old rules.
I would definitely keep them with maybe a couple of tweaks.
Tweaks:
-Black/Red card - More of an advantage for the team with 15
-Bringing frees out for 2 points - not sure I would differentiate between technical fouls and regular fouls. If a team is down by 2 points with the clock running down all the opposition need to do is foul you inside the arc.
-I agree with the concept of speeding up free kicks/kick outs but unless there is a shot clock on it I think it maybe too hard to referee
Practical stuff:
Can every county board get a proper air horn/hooter! They are not that expensive. Lord give me strength but some of the supposed hooters sound like they are on their last legs!!
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1914 - 03/03/2025 09:13:32
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You can get an air raid siren for €30 on temu - the only job for a hooter
I would make a few tweaks also
1. Game finishes on last play when the siren goes - like rugby - I don't like the current anti climax
2. Get rid of the 2 point punishment for technical infringements/throwing the ball away - 1 point is enough
3. Kicks outs and free taking to be 30 seconds
4. In case of black card - team still has to keep 3 up.
5. in case of red card - team allowed to drop 12 into own half in defence
6. Kick outs - defender should be able to collect ball inside the 40m arch as long as he is outside it when the keeper kicks the ball.
7. Keeper in attack - prevent him from handpassing the ball - kicking only
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1245 - 03/03/2025 09:51:21
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Can anyone explain the obsession with keeping all of the competitions tethered together?
Would it not be better to seed the championship based on championship performance?
Have the bottom 4 teams (Round 2b losers in new format) play relegation semis and a final, one goes down and the Tailteann winner goes up. Simple. The same way it's done at club level all over the country.
Seed the championship groups by keeping the 8 previous year's quarter finalists away from each other if they want, but my preference would be open draw to give a bit of chaos and hopefully get some big ties in the first round.
Ciaran359 (Galway) - Posts: 21 - 03/03/2025 10:22:10
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Replying To Ciaran359: "Can anyone explain the obsession with keeping all of the competitions tethered together?
Would it not be better to seed the championship based on championship performance?
Have the bottom 4 teams (Round 2b losers in new format) play relegation semis and a final, one goes down and the Tailteann winner goes up. Simple. The same way it's done at club level all over the country.
Seed the championship groups by keeping the 8 previous year's quarter finalists away from each other if they want, but my preference would be open draw to give a bit of chaos and hopefully get some big ties in the first round." Every GAA county splits their competitions into 2-4 tiers to give everyone a chance of winning a championship of sorts.
Most counties keep league and championship entirely separate.
For some reason, counties refuse to have the same system for their county team because they want the chance to be hockeyed by Dublin and/or Kerry every year. At least half of them want to be in a competition they will never win and spend loads of money training a team for an annual provincial championship defeat, hoping a moral victory of sorts will do.
Because of this foolish hope, we all have to put up with a lopsided championship that uses league placings to pick championship teams. All because of a dysfunctional provincial championship.
Why don't Mayo, Roscommon, Donegal, Tyrone, Armagh, Meath, Kildare, Monaghan all insist on playing senior provincial hurling ? - because they haven't a hope of ever winning one.
Why then to Waterford, Antrim, Wexford insist on entering the football championship when they could just do like Kilkenny?
Why do Sligo, Leitrim, London, Westmeath, Laois, Fermanagh and Longford insist on playing provincial football but not provincial hurling?
The reason is they have some realistic view of the world when it comes to hurling - but they forget that when it comes to football.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1245 - 03/03/2025 19:03:40
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Replying To Mayonman: "The game is much more enjoyable with the new rules.
Lets not kid ourselves, refs will make mistakes the same as they did under the old rules.
I would definitely keep them with maybe a couple of tweaks.
Tweaks:
-Black/Red card - More of an advantage for the team with 15
-Bringing frees out for 2 points - not sure I would differentiate between technical fouls and regular fouls. If a team is down by 2 points with the clock running down all the opposition need to do is foul you inside the arc.
-I agree with the concept of speeding up free kicks/kick outs but unless there is a shot clock on it I think it maybe too hard to referee
Practical stuff:
Can every county board get a proper air horn/hooter! They are not that expensive. Lord give me strength but some of the supposed hooters sound like they are on their last legs!!" Yes, I agree - the game is a better spectacle and more enjoyable.
My tweaks:
"Rugby-style" game end:
After the hooter sounds or clock expires, play continues until the ball exists the field's perimeter.
Goalkeeper always stays within own 20:
Neil Morgan etc either wears a goalkeeper or outfielder shirt, but not both - so he decides to mind the goal or play outfield.
Defensive 45/65 & Attacking 45/20:
To reduce handpassing, from behind own 45 the defence MUST always make a 20+ metres kick beyond own 65; and
Prior to a CLOSE range point, MUST make a 25+ metres kick from behind attacking 45 to beyond attacking 20 (not necessarily a mark as ball can bounce).
In lieu of that close range point, team can still score from outside the arc - but that is also one point.
Forward Progress / Keep Ball Limit:
Team can have 30 seconds of unbroken possession in each field half - ref calls "use it" after 25 seconds. So within a total limit of 60 seconds, team must score, or register a wide or turnover. Violation results in a free at the top of the arc in the violated half. (I don't see "use it" being called too often as the game moves along).
COVID-style water break:
Given 'new rule' intensity, have that 1-2 minutes break at the middle of each half.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3105 - 04/03/2025 15:45:01
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My tweaks:
"Rugby-style" game end:
After the hooter sounds or clock expires, play continues until the ball exists the field's perimeter.
I agree with this one - would be great excitement when a team is chasing a game and needs a 2 pointer to win.
Goalkeeper always stays within own 20:
Neil Morgan etc either wears a goalkeeper or outfielder shirt, but not both - so he decides to mind the goal or play outfield.
Dont agree with this - the whole idea of the free keeper in attack is to put teams who sit in a defensive formation at a disadvantage. The defending team can take the keeper out of the game by pushing up and pressing the opposition in their own half - which is 10 times more exciting than this craic of sitting back (even when your losing or playing with the wind) and winging about the keeper. It would be an awful shame if the keeper was fixed to his own goal. Move the line where he can receive possession to the attacking 45 but dont take away the one way to break down the "low block".
Defensive 45/65 & Attacking 45/20:
To reduce handpassing, from behind own 45 the defence MUST always make a 20+ metres kick beyond own 65; and Prior to a CLOSE range point, MUST make a 25+ metres kick from behind attacking 45 to beyond attacking 20 (not necessarily a mark as ball can bounce). In lieu of that close range point, team can still score from outside the arc - but that is also one point.
There wont be any new rules like this - which sounds way to complicated -
Forward Progress / Keep Ball Limit:
Team can have 30 seconds of unbroken possession in each field half - ref calls "use it" after 25 seconds. So within a total limit of 60 seconds, team must score, or register a wide or turnover. Violation results in a free at the top of the arc in the violated half. (I don't see "use it" being called too often as the game moves along).
There wont be any new rules like this one either. I would be happy with a shot clock, but it would have to be 1min and would have to be a separate clock (as in basketball) rather than annoying the ref with it - he has enough on at the minute.
COVID-style water break: Given 'new rule' intensity, have that 1-2 minutes break at the middle of each half."
I heard this on a podcast as a way to break up the wind advantage - too late to implement now - but might be a good one for the end of the season final review.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1245 - 06/03/2025 10:26:17
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@tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1245 - 06/03/2025 10:26:17
I think the defensive 45/65 in open play would add excitement - more midfield contests like at kick outs.
I have one minute possession limit too - I just make it 30 seconds in each half as well.
I wonder if an "intra-third" pass limit might be easier to police - say, 1,2,3, kick to next third?
3/1 scoring - maybe reverting to tradition is best -
goal 3, arc 1 and some extra 'score difficulty' for the short point comparable with the arc score.
You mentioned there was no chance of implementing some of these ideas - that wasn't my focus - I just wanted to see what changes I'd recommend (complicated, unwanted or otherwise).
Q - As GIU report reflected hand/kick pass ratio of >3x, what desired ratio do we want? - I suggest ~2x, but how do we get there?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3105 - 06/03/2025 16:26:46
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