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The big flaw of the 2023 and 2024 format are the following:
1. 3 teams advancing from the groups. Absolutely ridiculous. Minimal jeopardy. The GAA were selling a pup! The public voted with their feet.
2. Sligo beating London and New York to qualify for the All Ireland series. Meath missing out.
3. Clare beating Waterford to qualify for the All Ireland series. Down missing out.
1 is solved by the Jarlath Burn's favoured double eliminator.
2 and 3 are solved by league seeding for balanced provincial draws or else provincial winners only qualifying through the provinces.
If all provincial finalists are going to be seeded and given home advantage in the Jarlath Burn's favoured double eliminator, where will any reward be for winning the province?
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8406 - 10/01/2025 21:59:24
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Just out of interest --- How many games did inter county teams play last season [2024] [Excluding the pre season Provincial competitions] ?
Did some research working from the 1st week of the N.L up to the A.I.C Final[ a 27 week time frame].
2 teams played 17 games [Armagh and Galway]
2 teams played 16 games.
3 teams played 15 games.
6 teams played 14 games.
6 teams played 13 games.
11 teams played 12 games.
2 teams played 11 games.[ Longford and Carlow]. This is the minimum amount of games a team could play.
Overall it is a rather comfortable game schedule with even the two A.I Finalists having 10 break weekends.
In the Provincial Championships only the break down was as follows---
0 teams played 4 games [that is the maximum number of games a team could play-Ulster and Leinster only].
6 teams played 3 games.
13 teams played 2 games.
14 teams played 1 game. [This includes New York].
edu (Mayo) - Posts: 72 - 10/01/2025 22:01:11
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Replying To edu: "Just out of interest --- How many games did inter county teams play last season [2024 [Excluding the pre season Provincial competitions] ?
Did some research working from the 1st week of the N.L up to the A.I.C Final[ a 27 week time frame].
2 teams played 17 games [Armagh and Galway]
2 teams played 16 games.
3 teams played 15 games.
6 teams played 14 games.
6 teams played 13 games.
11 teams played 12 games.
2 teams played 11 games.[ Longford and Carlow]. This is the minimum amount of games a team could play.
Overall it is a rather comfortable game schedule with even the two A.I Finalists having 10 break weekends.
In the Provincial Championships only the break down was as follows---
0 teams played 4 games [that is the maximum number of games a team could play-Ulster and Leinster only].
6 teams played 3 games.
13 teams played 2 games.
14 teams played 1 game. [This includes New York]."]Took 6 weekends to play the Provincials with most teams sitting round waiting for the AI series.
I suggest they should be mixed in with the League something like soccer cup competitions.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2015 - 10/01/2025 23:29:59
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@edu (Mayo) - Posts: 71 - 10/01/2025 22:01:11
In my AILC, prior to a short concluding AIC Series, I have a 12-game schedule - combining actual current league (7-8), province (1-4) and AIC group stage (3), for an actual variable total of 11-15 games.
To get to an AIC Series Final, I have teams playing 3-4 more games, like the actual AIC.
In total, my AILC has 15-16 games (plus any inter-tier Prov ties) versus actual 14-19 - my AILC, a net game count reduction for the busiest teams.
My 27-week calendar also provides sufficient rest:
CALENDAR
Week Activity
-2 (mid Jan) Start of '2-3 game' Pre-Season
0 (end of Jan) End of Pre-Season Warm-Up
1 (start of Feb) Prov SFC Prelim Rd
2 Prov SFC QFs
2 (after QFs) AILC Draw (2 tiers of 4x4 or 6,5,5)
2 (after Draw) Prelim/QF results to league tables?
3 Bye Week
4 (end of Feb) First Full Regular Season Rd
12 (end of Apr) Rd includes all 8 Prov SFs
16 & 17 (end of May) Rds include 4 Prov Finals
20 Last Regular Season Rd
21 (end of June) Bye Week
22 AIC PSFs/PQFs, AI Shield PQFs & AI Plate QFs
23 AIC QFs & AI Shield QFs
24 AI Plate SFs
25 (end of July) AIC SFs & AI Shield SFs
26 AI Plate Final
27 (2nd week of Aug) AIC Final & AI Shield Final
Note - With each team scheduled to play 12 (or 10) 'staggered' regular season games in Weeks 1-20 and '0 to 4' post-season games in Weeks 22-27, the remaining 'inactive weeks' are deemed sufficient for rest time.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2966 - 11/01/2025 04:45:41
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Replying To omahant: "@edu (Mayo) - Posts: 71 - 10/01/2025 22:01:11
In my AILC, prior to a short concluding AIC Series, I have a 12-game schedule - combining actual current league (7-8), province (1-4) and AIC group stage (3), for an actual variable total of 11-15 games.
To get to an AIC Series Final, I have teams playing 3-4 more games, like the actual AIC.
In total, my AILC has 15-16 games (plus any inter-tier Prov ties) versus actual 14-19 - my AILC, a net game count reduction for the busiest teams.
My 27-week calendar also provides sufficient rest:
CALENDAR
Week Activity
-2 (mid Jan) Start of '2-3 game' Pre-Season
0 (end of Jan) End of Pre-Season Warm-Up
1 (start of Feb) Prov SFC Prelim Rd
2 Prov SFC QFs
2 (after QFs) AILC Draw (2 tiers of 4x4 or 6,5,5)
2 (after Draw) Prelim/QF results to league tables?
3 Bye Week
4 (end of Feb) First Full Regular Season Rd
12 (end of Apr) Rd includes all 8 Prov SFs
16 & 17 (end of May) Rds include 4 Prov Finals
20 Last Regular Season Rd
21 (end of June) Bye Week
22 AIC PSFs/PQFs, AI Shield PQFs & AI Plate QFs
23 AIC QFs & AI Shield QFs
24 AI Plate SFs
25 (end of July) AIC SFs & AI Shield SFs
26 AI Plate Final
27 (2nd week of Aug) AIC Final & AI Shield Final
Note - With each team scheduled to play 12 (or 10) 'staggered' regular season games in Weeks 1-20 and '0 to 4' post-season games in Weeks 22-27, the remaining 'inactive weeks' are deemed sufficient for rest time." Just to confirm the teams that play in Tier 1 are the 16 teams that reach the 4 Provincial Semi Finals and Tier 2 consists of the remaining teams that are knocked out in the Provincial Preliminary and Quarter Final rounds?
edu (Mayo) - Posts: 72 - 11/01/2025 21:59:20
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For those suggesting league and provincial championships running in parallel, you are probably looking at the following:
NFL1
NFL2
Leinster & Ulster Preliminary Round.
(Rest weekend)
NFL3
NFL4
Quarter Finals in all provinces.
(Rest weekend)
NFL5
NFL6
Semi Finals in all provinces.
(Rest weekend)
NFL7
NFL Finals
4 Provincial Finals on one weekend.
(Rest weekend)
All Ireland Round 1
(Rest weekend)
All Ireland Round 2A & Round 2B
(Rest weekend)
All Ireland Preliminary Quarter Finals
(Rest weekend)
All Ireland Quarter Finals
(Rest weekend)
All Ireland Semi Finals
(Rest weekend)
All Ireland Final
There is only a 4 week manageable gap from NFL7 to All Ireland Round 1.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8406 - 11/01/2025 22:25:43
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Replying To edu: "Just to confirm the teams that play in Tier 1 are the 16 teams that reach the 4 Provincial Semi Finals and Tier 2 consists of the remaining teams that are knocked out in the Provincial Preliminary and Quarter Final rounds?" No, and you wouldn't know from my latest post.
Tier 1 could start with the league's top 16 in year 1.
Promotion and relegation is via the AIC Shield KO (2nd of 3-tier AIC).
I re-post my idea in full below:
All-Ireland League-Championship (AILC) -
'Two-tier' league structure, encompassing Prov KO ties, within a 'Swiss System' match schedule, leading to a short concluding 'three-tier' AIC Series.
Two Options:
OPTION ONE
- Two league tiers of 16
- Prov KO ties double as league ties (all 4 rds, own tier only); any additional tier crossover ties (Tier 1v2) are Prov KO stand alone
- Play Prov Prelim & QF Rds early (1st half Feb); SFs (end Apr); and Finals (2nd half May)
- After Prov QFs, draw '4 groups of 4' in each tier
(from 4 seeding pots of 4)
- 12-match Regular Season (URC schedule, less 'own-group' ties - i.e. play other 12), with all 'own-tier' Prov ties included in the 12
- Teams ranked 1-16 & 17-32, based on 12-match/ 16-team tables, advance to 'three-tier' AICs for Sam, Shield & Plate
- Teams placed 1 & 17 win "League 1" & "League 2"
- Top 8 to AI Sam AFL-style playoffs; 9-20 to AI Shield KO; 21-28 to AI Plate KO (or Tailteann Cup); and 29-32 do not advance
- Prov Champs advance based on League placing (no Sam berth guarantee)
- 'Shield QF 8' earn/retain Tier 1 status the next year
(PQF byes to 9,10,17,18).
Or, alternatively:
OPTION TWO
10-match Regular Season, same as "Option One", with the following changes:
- After Prov QFs, draw groups of 6, 5 & 5 in each tier
- 10-match schedule (6 v both 5s, each 5 plays own round-robin group), with all 'own-tier' Prov ties included in the 10.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2966 - 12/01/2025 00:15:39
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Replying To legendzxix: "For those suggesting league and provincial championships running in parallel, you are probably looking at the following:
NFL1
NFL2
Leinster & Ulster Preliminary Round.
(Rest weekend)
NFL3
NFL4
Quarter Finals in all provinces.
(Rest weekend)
NFL5
NFL6
Semi Finals in all provinces.
(Rest weekend)
NFL7
NFL Finals
4 Provincial Finals on one weekend.
(Rest weekend)
All Ireland Round 1
(Rest weekend)
All Ireland Round 2A & Round 2B
(Rest weekend)
All Ireland Preliminary Quarter Finals
(Rest weekend)
All Ireland Quarter Finals
(Rest weekend)
All Ireland Semi Finals
(Rest weekend)
All Ireland Final
There is only a 4 week manageable gap from NFL7 to All Ireland Round 1." @legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8406 - 11/01/2025 22:25:43
That's logical, tidy and ultimately what the GAA currently wants - 27 weeks with NFL 8, Provs 4, AIC 6 and Rest 9.
Get your club to motion it.
When is your AIC Final?
It's not like mine - a steep mountain in front of myself :)
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2966 - 12/01/2025 01:03:33
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