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Sorry it actually sure what you are getting at here. Antrim are going to be playing their 7th championship game this season on Sunday, last year they played 6. These are games against a mix of teams roughly around our level. Us playing 7 games in that proposed structure but where probably 3 games are way above our level and we've little chance of qualifying and our final couple of games are likely to be dead rubbers just doesn't make sense to me as an improvement on what we currently have. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 21/06/2024 09:10:06 2553313 Link 0 |
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Ok but they were very close to failing even with all their power and that was with a main competition that wasn't actually that great, the playoff format was bizarre with 5,3,1,1 from each division qualifying and then the awkward Tailteann Cup proposal incorporated. These provincial championships are not as invulnerable as being made out. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 21/06/2024 10:06:41 2553327 Link 1 |
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Whammo's idea does not allow for the Tailteann Cup winner qualifying for the All-Ireland series of the next year. 24 non-provincial finalists should playoff for 7 places. Using the GAA's seemingly preferred double elimination format after qualifying: All-Ireland Round 1: Provincial winners v Seed 4 and Provincial runners-up v Seed 4. All-Ireland Round 2A: Seed 1 & 4 winners v Seed 2 & 3 winners. All-Ireland Round 2A: Seed 1 & 4 losers v Seed 2 & 3 losers. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8284 - 21/06/2024 10:42:57 2553341 Link 0 |
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The Hurling ones won't be going anywhere anytime soon. €6m reasons for keeping the Munster one. The Football ones attracted c275,000 people. The Sam Group games c175k. Can't see them (even though only 2 real ones) going anywhere either. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1954 - 21/06/2024 11:03:32 2553346 Link 0 |
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There is no Tailteann cup. Everyone is in the All Ireland. The league is just played at a better time. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 21/06/2024 13:18:58 2553391 Link 0 |
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And you trust that on a 50 year time horizon!
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 21/06/2024 13:20:57 2553392 Link 0 |
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The GAA " horizon" seems to be 3 years , reduced to 1 and a half now.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1954 - 21/06/2024 13:42:27 2553399 Link 0 |
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It's where you finish in that group of 8 that determines which Cup you go on to play for, top 2 in each group go into Sam Maguire, open draw, knockout from then on. 3rd and 4th place finishers go into the Tailteann Cup. positions 5 and 6 go into a third tier Cup whatever they'll call that. This way you have a league going into a knockout competition, a tried and tested format. At the start of the year everyone can still theoretically win the Sam Maguire. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3029 - 21/06/2024 14:06:08 2553410 Link 0 |
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My commentary is in response to someone that's talking about nothing changing in our lifetime.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 21/06/2024 14:09:15 2553414 Link 0 |
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Still, 1&2 v 7&8 would produce very one-sided ties in each group. Within your framework, I would tweak as follows: - Tier 1, 2 groups of 8; Tier 2, 2 groups of 8. - Tier 1, 2 top 4s to Sam QFs. - Tier 1, both 5&6s & Tier 2, 1&2s to Tailteann QFs. - Tier 2, both 3 to 6s to Tier 3 QFs. - Tier 1, both 7&8s & Tier 2, 1&2s are 4 up/4 down. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2889 - 21/06/2024 15:07:17 2553436 Link 0 |
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That's not a bad tweak, If you look at the FA Cup across the water every small team has a chance to knock out one of the big guns, that's what 'Cup' competitions are meant to be like. Our old Provincial system was like that, any team could be knocked out on a day when they didn't play well and you got some big shock results, brutal but exciting, that has been lost now for most of the year, now at least we have 5 weeks of real knockout Championship football to come thank God. The league really is the true test of a team to win at their own level, that's why the FA Cup which used to massive in England is now second tier to the league winners. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3029 - 21/06/2024 15:21:19 2553440 Link 0 |
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In soccer the team that wins the League are calked "Champions". The teams that win cups (domestic) are just cup winners. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1954 - 21/06/2024 16:58:04 2553469 Link 1 |
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The flaw of the Tommy Murphy Cup was that there was no championship reward for winning. The league, provincial championships and qualifiers can coexist with a Tailteann Cup that rewards the winner with an All-Ireland spot in the following year.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8284 - 21/06/2024 18:04:09 2553487 Link 0 |
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An article claimed that the CPA would have been ok with August All-Ireland finals, with the club championships starting in September. It further claimed that it was the GPA that pushed for the July finals. Speculation that next year's championship might end on the final Sunday of August. The easy change within the current timescale would be the National Leagues starting at the end of February. All-Ireland Club final could be completed in mid February. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8284 - 21/06/2024 18:58:48 2553492 Link 0 |
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@Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2845 - 21/06/2024 15:21:19 2553440 omahant (USA) - Posts: 2889 - 21/06/2024 19:32:46 2553500 Link 0 |
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Honestly I really think they can barely coexist and that's borne out by the way things have played out over the last 2 years. The Tailteann has been a bright spot in the skate up but there are just too many matches. 8 for league, 4 rounds of Provincial and 7 rounds of championship is really working that well. There's no room for competitions to breathe. It's been messy try to keep them all relevant and there's conflict being created by trying to do so. It's so painfully obvious to me that trying to have our cake and eat it is causing huge issues. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 21/06/2024 19:34:07 2553502 Link 1 |
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My "Utopia" still is to have an "all-in-one" 2-tier League/AIC regular season of 10-12 games per team leading into a 3-tier AIC KO. To control game count, the Prov KO games count as League ties as well and the League as the AIC group stage (details repeated upon request). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2889 - 21/06/2024 19:54:36 2553506 Link 0 |
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Has anyone asked Clubs and players yet. All I've heard is Uachtarán Byrns meeting provincial Councils. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1954 - 21/06/2024 20:32:31 2553509 Link 1 |
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-1. League finals. 0. Weekend off 1. Provincial Round 1 Connacht, Munster, Leinster and Ulster. 2. Provincial Round 2 Leinster and Ulster. 3. Provincial Round 2 Connacht and Munster. Qualifier Round 1 (provincial round 1 losers) of 9 teams reduced to 5. 1 bye. 4. Provincial Round 3 Leinster and Ulster. 5. Provincial finals Connacht and Munster. Qualifier Round 2 (provincial round 2 losers and qualifier round 1 winners) of 16 teams reduced to 10. 4 byes. 6. Provincial finals Leinster and Ulster. 7. Qualifier Round 3 (provincial round 3 losers and qualifier round 2 winners) of 14 teams to 7. 8. All-Ireland Round 1 and Tailteann Round of 16. 9. Rest weekend. 10. All-Ireland Rounds 2A and 2B. Tailteann quarter-finals. 11. All-Ireland Round 3. Tailteann semi-finals. 12. All-Ireland quarter-finals. 13. Rest weekend. 14. All-Ireland semi-finals. Tailteann final. 15. Rest weekend. 16. All-Ireland Final. The GAA's preferred double elimination allows a week off after league finals. Qualifier Round 1 can take place on Provincial Weekend 3. Qualifier Round 2 can take place on Provincial Weekend 5. Qualifier Round 3 can take place on the weekend before the All-Ireland series and Tailteann Cup begin. The league rankings can be used for seeding qualifier draws and also for rewarding byes to the next round where they arise. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8284 - 22/06/2024 11:45:37 2553583 Link 0 |
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@legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8037 - 22/06/2024 11:45:37 omahant (USA) - Posts: 2889 - 22/06/2024 14:34:28 2553604 Link 0 |